RSPCA shoots 11 HEALTHY horses but claimed keep fees for months

[Fenris]

RSPCA shoots 11 HEALTHY horses: Charity culled 'bright, alert and responsive' animals…and continued to claim vet and stable fees months AFTER deaths
RSPCA ordered the killing of 11 healthy horses after they were rescued
Several horses were described as 'doing ok' but were still shot days later
The charity then claimed thousands of pounds for stabling expenses


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nued-claim-vet-stable-fees-months-deaths.html

 

[EstherYoung]

Considering the previous owners and breeders of some of these horses were itching to help/take them back, this is utterly depressing.

 

[Slightlyconfused]

I must be cold hearted then as the amount of horses needing rehoming at the moment in my mind worse things could have happened than them being shot.

 

[terrierliz]

I must be cold hearted then as the amount of horses needing rehoming at the moment in my mind worse things could have happened than them being shot.

I'm in the same camp as you Slightlyconfused - so many horses about now and how much call for unrideable companions of any size let alone above 12 HH. at least they can't be mistreated any longer....

 

[EstherYoung]

Maybe so. But they were good horses, some were very well bred, and there were people looking out for them, they were just blocked from doing so. Very, very sad.

RIP Taragun (Taz): http://www.waho.org/Blog/taragun-united-kingdom-2008-waho-trophy-winner/

RIP Heron:
http://www.arabianlines.com/forum1/topic_new.asp?TOPIC_ID=35402

 

[be positive]

Considering the previous owners and breeders of some of these horses were itching to help/take them back, this is utterly depressing.

I must be cold hearted then as the amount of horses needing rehoming at the moment in my mind worse things could have happened than them being shot.

The big difference being these were well bred, quality arabs with known history, some very successful competition animals, with previous owners and in some cases current owners as they were only on loan to the Peels, who would have given them homes and were trying to find out how to do so yet were not given a chance.

Most of the animals in rescues are coloured cobs, many with poor conformation that means they can only be companions, the arab enthusiasts are not going to take on one of those instead so the potential homes will not be filled with a different horse from a charity.

Once again the RSPCA have proved they are more interested in prosecuting than the actual animals they "rescue" most of those photos show horses that are in poor condition but nothing some tlc would not get right, in fact several are just a bit scruffy and unkempt nothing like as bad as I expected, rain scald is hardly difficult to treat and none appear badly affected, even the vet on behalf of the RSPCA questions the need to have shot them rather than continue with the treatment he had started, I hope this gets followed through by the people involved who are now able to speak up as the court case is over.

 

[JillA]

I'd like to know the Daily Fail's source - we all know they can be economical with the truth. I'm no fan of RSPCA but it seems to me if this is true it is a massive own goal for the charity, which could have a major impact on their income when it was made public

 

[Archangel]

I know what you mean SC but as Esther says these horses weren't just a load of unknowns they all had 'connections - they were very very well known in the Arab world - the woman posted as Templars on Arabianlines and Tannis on here (last vist August this year btw). Some of the horses were on loan to the Peels. This was a large breed rescue - the AHS have a welfare department. The RSPCA stink frankly.

If you scroll down half way on this thread you get the idea (Templars reply with grey stallion jumping)http://arabianlines.com/forum1/topic_new.asp?TOPIC_ID=49706

I am guessing the Nancy shown in the Daily Mail article is Twist Hoeves Nancy shown jumping in the above thread.

And this beautiful horse... RIP Phaaraoh
http://www.arabianlines.com/forum1/topic_new.asp?TOPIC_ID=43174

Heron is Heron de la Forge

http://arabianlines.com/forum1/topic_new.asp?TOPIC_ID=40015&SearchTerms=heron,de,la,forge

 

[EstherYoung]

Cresh I believe was Last Crescendo (99.97% Crabbet): http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/last+crescendo

 

[Flame_]

This has got to make struggling people less willing to sign over animals.

However, why weren't the loan horses checked on and taken back by their owners long before the RSPCA "rescue"?

 

[twiggy2]

I must be cold hearted then as the amount of horses needing rehoming at the moment in my mind worse things could have happened than them being shot.

I am with you on this and think that more should be PTS, the problem is that the RSPCA will keep animals in terrible condition alive to help gain a prosecution and publicity, I don't agree with the whole ethos of the RSPCA, the dishonesty and the fact that the horses welfare just does not seem to be at the heart of their work anymore-I feel for the inspectors that work there for all the right reasons whos hands are tied by those that make the rules and decisions.
PTS should be widespread for all rescue animals at the moment and I really feel I would reduce stress and suffering for so many animals-if security cannot be provided for those animals for life then the numbers need to be reduced.

 

[EstherYoung]

She was very, very credible. I can see why people were taken in.

 

[EstherYoung]

From the comments on the daily fail article:

tizaala, LLANDRINDOD WELLS, United Kingdom, about 2 seconds ago NO ATTEMPT WAS MADE TO CONTACT US IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM REGARDING KHOOMI , SHE WAS ON LOAN TO THE PEELS , WE WOULD HAVE REHOMED HER IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE HAD WE KNOW HER FATE, TO HELL WITH THE RSPCA

 

[cobgoblin]

Time this organisation was closed down.
I fail to see how they are still holding on to the prefix ' royal'.

 

[ester]

It is shocking that no attempt was made to reunite those on loan with their owners , I have been reading the threads on arabianlines too. They wouldn't do that for any other animal handed to them, they would scan for a chip. The handling of the whole saga just seems ridiculous and terribly sad. They got their prosecution with pathetic sentencing.

How can peel have signed over horses that weren't hers?
As they were 'evidence' for the court case and not in a critical condition (to need immediate PTS) surely they should have been keeping them and not rehoming them until the court case concluded either - I thought that was normal practice anyway? Or is that because she surrendered them and they weren't seized?

Did the AHS actually have any involvement with regards to reuniteing horses with owners etc?

 

[EstherYoung]

Ester, it's because she handed them over voluntarily.

Horse and hound, you have to pick this story up and run with it. Clearly the media stand a better chance of getting answers than the poor owners, breeders and ex owners who have been struggling to get information all this time.

 

[ester]

Quite, it is ridiculous that now the court case is done that they cannot publish a list of horses and their fate when they know the situation with owners etc. Or they should be being a bit proactive with the AHS and maybe finally making personal contact with them.

 

[be positive]

It is shocking that no attempt was made to reunite those on loan with their owners , I have been reading the threads on arabianlines too. They wouldn't do that for any other animal handed to them, they would scan for a chip. The handling of the whole saga just seems ridiculous and terribly sad. They got their prosecution with pathetic sentencing.

How can peel have signed over horses that weren't hers?
As they were 'evidence' for the court case and not in a critical condition (to need immediate PTS) surely they should have been keeping them and not rehoming them until the court case concluded either - I thought that was normal practice anyway? Or is that because she surrendered them and they weren't seized?

I think if they give up the horses, sign them over as these were then the RSPCA can dispose of them as they wish, if they had not signed them over then they would have been held until after the court case and I think the owners of the loan horses had probably expected this to happen, they must be devastated.
I cannot get my head around them making no attempt to work with the AHS or other capable people who were willing and able to help, it appears they made no effort to deal with a group of relatively healthy horses who were probably more sensitive and needed a bit more knowledge to care for than the cobs they take in by the lorry load.

 

[MotherOfChickens]

this is shocking. The rescue case was bad enough but what an awful end for those poor owners.

 

[AdorableAlice]

Time this organisation was closed down.
I fail to see how they are still holding on to the prefix ' royal'.

Never happen, what would the Labour Party do without the vast funds the RSPCA donate.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I've been quite taken aback that many members on here haven't quite grasped (or maybe aren't bothered?) by what went on in the Peel case. I even did a loaning thread and no-one seemed to pick up on my 'in light of the Peel case' question.

Many of these horses had OWNERS that they could have been returned to. ALL of them, that were healthy enough, would have found homes if the RSPCA had worked with the arab community and AHS. Maybe people don't realise, but there were people actively trying to find these horses to offer homes or have them back.

I still don't understand why the whole of the horse community isn't up in arms over this.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I think if they give up the horses, sign them over as these were then the RSPCA can dispose of them as they wish

How can a loaner sign ownership over to the RSPCA?

 

[cobgoblin]

The rspca doesn't care who owns the animals. Their answer would be that the animal's owner must prosecute the person that signed the animal over.

 

[Fenris]

The SHG has a multitude of complaints from people whose animals have been signed over by other people. What happens is that the RSPCA bullies and threatens whoever is present, telling them that they will be arrested, prosecuted, anything that triggers a signature on a sign over form that includes a clause stating that if the animals are not the property of the person signing them over that person takes full responsibility.

for people in the middle of the traumatic experience of an RSPCA raid, it is all too easy to simply keel over and obey the demands of percieved 'authority'.

The RSPCA never changes. The SHG was formed over 20 years ago because of a case in which animals that the RSPCA had been ordered to return were sold for slaughter, died, crippled, bred from and lost, all while supposed to be in RSPCA 'care'. The problem is that anyone being investigated by the RSPCA is given no help whatsoever from those authorities who should have been doing the investigating and prosecuting, such as the police and local authority, or even the CPS who are meant to quality control private prosecutions such as those brought by the RSPCA. They all shirk their responsibilities and leave the RSPCA a free hand to destroy people's lives and of course their animals if they have no fund raising value.

The SHG has long campaigned for the creation of a Charities Ombudsman who would have the power to investigate all of those complaints that do not fall within the remit of the Charity Commission and to order compensation to be paid by the charity concerned.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Well they blimmin' should care. A quick scan of a microchip and a phonecall isn't much to ask. They certainly do that when they pick up a stray cat on their TV programmes, so they must be capable.

 

[cobgoblin]

Well they blimmin' should care. A quick scan of a microchip and a phonecall isn't much to ask. They certainly do that when they pick up a stray cat on their TV programmes, so they must be capable.

Ah!...but that's for TV.

 

[be positive]

How can a loaner sign ownership over to the RSPCA?

This is something that should not have happened and must be looked into as it will not be the first time or the last, the Peels are obviously mainly to blame but the buck stops with the RSPCA who made no effort to look into the ownership of the horses, the passports will have been available and not all in the Peels name so why did they not even contact the AHS to confirm ownership before destroying what appears to be, in the main, healthy animals.

This case is unusual because arab people care and would have done anything to get these horses in a safe place for life, the Peels were successful breeders and producers who were on the surface doing a good job with a lovely group of horses, people did not see what went on behind the scenes, I have read through the threads on AL including posts by Templers on there and today on here as her user name was put on earlier, it is easy to see how they got away with it and why they were loaned horses in good faith.

This has disturbed me far more than the Spindles Farm case, the horses there were mainly unwanted, uncared for, yes they deserved better but their fate was sealed by being sold at the bottom end of the market for whatever reason, these arabs were all bred and owned at some time by caring people who believed they were doing the best for them, most will have cost plenty to buy, yet once they served no purpose to the Peels they were neglected, I think that is far worse than someone like Jamie Grey who never pretended to care and treated them all with the same lack of concern for their welfare.

 

[MotherOfChickens]

hard to believe horses were shot purely for rain scald and for being in need of a trim when they have poster boys of horrendous neglect that are kept going. I guess that this slaughter man keeps cropping up in these odd cases just by dint of being a slaughter man.
I've heard of this happening in the US during welfare cases. There was a notorious one on the COTH forums where a well known, popular member was done for neglect when she was off at WEG. She had some breeding mares on loan to her and some were eventually returned to the owners but it took months and months, the owners had to be extremely persistent (mostly interstate) and the owners were then liable to pay the stabling fees for the horses while they were retained. Of course, this wasn't the RSPCA or equivalent.

 

[ester]

If they weren't asked to be involved why didn't the AHS muscle in?

 

[Archangel]

Further to Be Postive's post - let's not forget Rachelle Peel knew each and every one of these horse's breeders and/or owners. The Arab world is a small world - you say a horse's name and most people can recite sire and dam, breeder, stud name, year of birth even horses going back 50 years.

If you google "rspca income 2014" and download their Annual Report it makes interesting reading - there are too many to point out but Page 6 point 2 sticks out "we will apply our highly successful horse rehoming policy...". FAIL.