Love_my_Lurcher
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Still awaiting your response, Moomin1! Scrap ignorance, I guess avoidance is bliss!
RSPCA
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Moomin1
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LML I quite frankly couldn't give a toss about their advert, or how Scottish people may percieve it! It's got bugger all to do with me.
As for Fenris, mm, you should see some of the horrific cruelty cases that the so called 'specialist' defence solicitors that he/she talks about have actually whole-heartedly supported in order to try and clear them of any wrong doing. I would imagine, by the sounds of you, that you are an animal lover. Your toes would curl in your shoes.
I am quite bored of this thread now, it's had it's day, you believe what you will, and I will believe what I will. We are all adults at the end of the day.
Love_my_Lurcher
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LML I quite frankly couldn't give a toss about their advert, or how Scottish people may percieve it! It's got bugger all to do with me.
As for Fenris, mm, you should see some of the horrific cruelty cases that the so called 'specialist' defence solicitors that he/she talks about have actually whole-heartedly supported in order to try and clear them of any wrong doing. I would imagine, by the sounds of you, that you are an animal lover. Your toes would curl in your shoes.
I am quite bored of this thread now, it's had it's day, you believe what you will, and I will believe what I will. We are all adults at the end of the day.
I am sorry to hear that you couldn't give a stuff about the suffering of Scottish animals and how they could be helped considerably if your beloved RSPCA didn't steal more than a million pounds from them every year! I am sorry that you cannot see that the RSPCA wastes so much money on completely unnecessary things like putting their staff up in Hilton hotels while attending conferences and their like. I am sorry that you can't be mature enough to answer questions when asked!
Moomin1
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Oh the old Hilton Hotel story. I actually feel embarrassed for the people who actually fell into the trap of believing all that hype without finding out the real facts!
I do give a damn about all animals in the entire country LML, but I really am sick to death of this thread now, and to be quite honest just have run out of steam.
I wish you every luck in your campaigning, I really do.
I personally, am just going to carry on doing what I do in this life to save as many animals as I can, wherever they may be. Surely that's all that matters.
Fenris
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Seems to be a little misdirection there!
The answer to a question relating to the conduct of the RSPCA in the pony case I provided a link to is not a smoke and mirrors attempt to claim that specialist solicitors are all in some way cruel people who automatically defend those they know to be guilty.
For the record a solicitor is an officer of the court. Their first duty is to the court. They cannot defend a client who has admitted to being guilty. They would have to withdraw from the case.
Media reports rarely favour the defendant.
For instance what do you all know about the Bobby Roberts case? Would it surprise you to know that the Judge praised Mr.l Roberts and was highly critical of ADI?
See
http://t.co/1Kjf5pCJ
http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resourc...bobby-roberts-sentencing-remarks-23112012.pdf
http://www.circusthetruth.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/trial-by-media.html
Marydoll
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Ive read this thread and i dont give to the RSPCA, another who thinks their priorities are rather "off" but in the main because they dont help animals in Scotland.
Moomin1 While i understand youre upset, especially if youre one of the many decent field workers, what is coming over loud and clear is your awful attitude to members of the public "US" who disagree with the percieved priorities of the charity.
There are large numbers of the public concerned at the way the charity is being run and if you work for them you are in a good position to try to change it from within, it sounds like youre dismissing/ignoring the views of potential contributors on here rather than going in to work and flagging it up as a major organisational and pr problem.
Moomin1 While i understand youre upset, especially if youre one of the many decent field workers, what is coming over loud and clear is your awful attitude to members of the public "US" who disagree with the percieved priorities of the charity.
There are large numbers of the public concerned at the way the charity is being run and if you work for them you are in a good position to try to change it from within, it sounds like youre dismissing/ignoring the views of potential contributors on here rather than going in to work and flagging it up as a major organisational and pr problem.
ponypilotmum
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Ive read this thread and i dont give to the RSPCA, another who thinks their priorities are rather "off" but in the main because they dont help animals in Scotland.
Moomin1 While i understand youre upset, especially if youre one of the many decent field workers, what is coming over loud and clear is your awful attitude to members of the public "US" who disagree with the percieved priorities of the charity.
There are large numbers of the public concerned at the way the charity is being run and if you work for them you are in a good position to try to change it from within, it sounds like youre dismissing/ignoring the views of potential contributors on here rather than going in to work and flagging it up as a major organisational and pr problem.
This has struck me too, over a few posts in recent days. It's quite worrying that a field officer can speak with such venom about people they would be required to work with on a daily basis. The attitude is very concerning.
Moomin: three weeks ago a report was made to the local RSPCA about a group of tethered horses standing in flood water. No access to food or shelter. RSPCA have not attended. Horses are still stood knee deep in (now) mud with no hay or grass. I would estimate a body score of about 2/5 on most of them.
Last year RSPCA were called to a group of horses being neglected. Less than two days later one horse had died.
I'm hearing stuff like this weekly. I think our local inspector must have got lost or something?
Sorry, I think some of their inspectors want sacking. I think it's a mickey mouse job. I've no doubt some inspectors are wonderful, but I think their salaries would be better spent on good sat nav systems so they can turn up to jobs!
CAYLA
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^^^^^ Not participated in the post but read it and those 2 last replies are very well put......and the satnav bit at he bottom....well
1life
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I like reading Moomin's posts. Good, balanced arguements for what she believes in. If there is ever venom it's usually through frustration....not surprising when you get other people refusing to believe that people can freely give their money (not have it 'stolen' from Scotland), that there will always be supposed stories of fat cat managememt and that, it appears, there are soooooooooo many sheep who stick with the herd even though they have no personal experience to warrant it!
Rescue teams are stretched to the hilt at the moment. If they haven't managed to reach somewhere I'm sure it will not be through lack of trying.
Rescue teams are stretched to the hilt at the moment. If they haven't managed to reach somewhere I'm sure it will not be through lack of trying.
ILuvCowparsely
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I don't like them either to many issues with them.
Fenris
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http://www.thisishullandeastriding....line-cruelty/story-17434726-detail/story.html
Is RSPCA doing enough to protect victims of 'borderline cruelty'?
Tuesday, November 27, 2012
I HAVE spoken to the RSPCA several times in relation to the plight of a dog near where I live, but without success.
The dog is left in the back yard 24/7, often without drink, as it can be heard pushing around the empty bowl in what is a concrete yard.
Nobody takes any interest in this poor animal, who lives a solitary life with hardly any human contact and the back door constantly closed to him.
He is never taken out for a walk and has been there that long that he doesn't seem to have any power in his legs any more.
The RSPCA have been made aware, as I have said, but they seem to think that he is only borderline cruelty.
What constitutes cruelty?
When I contacted the RSPCA through a call centre, I was given the third degree by the operator, making me feel belittled for even daring to ring and ask them to step in.
We are led to believe through the media that the RSPCA are constantly aware of these cases and that a call never goes unanswered, but I have been waiting more than a year for an inspector to call me.
When I have mentioned this to other people, they have said they have experienced the same problem with the RSPCA and that unless the animal is high-profile and newsworthy it is left to rot.
The RSPCA constantly put out literature asking for donations and I received 10 letters about the same problem, surely a waste of money.
Instead of so much advertising, money could be targeted to paying the inspectors to root out this borderline cruelty.
I have always donated to the RSPCA but feel that my money would be better directed to other organisations ready to help the needy animal who does not have a voice.
I wonder how many feel the same as I do?
Name and address supplied.
An RSPCA spokesperson said: "We would be keen to reassure your readers that the RSPCA as a charity is doing everything it can. We are currently responding to more than 25,000 calls a week from the public and are overwhelmed.
"We would like to thank the public for their continuing support and patience during these difficult times and would urge anyone who has concerns about the way we have handled a call to contact our complaints coordinator at RSPCA, Wilberforce Way, Southwater, Horsham, West Sussex RH13 9RS."
Is RSPCA doing enough to protect victims of 'borderline cruelty'?
Tuesday, November 27, 2012
I HAVE spoken to the RSPCA several times in relation to the plight of a dog near where I live, but without success.
The dog is left in the back yard 24/7, often without drink, as it can be heard pushing around the empty bowl in what is a concrete yard.
Nobody takes any interest in this poor animal, who lives a solitary life with hardly any human contact and the back door constantly closed to him.
He is never taken out for a walk and has been there that long that he doesn't seem to have any power in his legs any more.
The RSPCA have been made aware, as I have said, but they seem to think that he is only borderline cruelty.
What constitutes cruelty?
When I contacted the RSPCA through a call centre, I was given the third degree by the operator, making me feel belittled for even daring to ring and ask them to step in.
We are led to believe through the media that the RSPCA are constantly aware of these cases and that a call never goes unanswered, but I have been waiting more than a year for an inspector to call me.
When I have mentioned this to other people, they have said they have experienced the same problem with the RSPCA and that unless the animal is high-profile and newsworthy it is left to rot.
The RSPCA constantly put out literature asking for donations and I received 10 letters about the same problem, surely a waste of money.
Instead of so much advertising, money could be targeted to paying the inspectors to root out this borderline cruelty.
I have always donated to the RSPCA but feel that my money would be better directed to other organisations ready to help the needy animal who does not have a voice.
I wonder how many feel the same as I do?
Name and address supplied.
An RSPCA spokesperson said: "We would be keen to reassure your readers that the RSPCA as a charity is doing everything it can. We are currently responding to more than 25,000 calls a week from the public and are overwhelmed.
"We would like to thank the public for their continuing support and patience during these difficult times and would urge anyone who has concerns about the way we have handled a call to contact our complaints coordinator at RSPCA, Wilberforce Way, Southwater, Horsham, West Sussex RH13 9RS."
Fenris
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An empty water bowl IS an offence under the AWA.
Fenris
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http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/rspca-rant-and-some-ramblings-about-my-day
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RSPCA Rant... and some ramblings about my day
30 posts & 22 voices | Started 15 hours ago by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR | Latest reply from Freester
TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member
Disclaimer - a measured and composed rant, so no comments about swearing/capitals required etc.
Right, so previous attempts to adopt a dog and subsequent interviews/interrogation that you might expect if you were a paedophile trying to adopt a 2 year old baby aside, my experience with the RSPCA today has left me seething.
Working just off the M1 Junction 11 (Luton) today, on the roundabout to the A505, I found a trapped dog - a German Shepherd. It was seemingly trapped between a high security fence and a hoarding erected by a demolition company. It had no visible way out, but could move around freely (8ft gap). Although it had a run in either direction of approx 100mtrs, it seemed quite distressed and wanted to stay close to where I was working.
Initially I presumed it was an agitated guard dog, as it paced up and down snapping and barking, but as the day wore on, it became more apparent that it wasn't. I tentatively approached it and ended up fussing it through the security fence - it now appeared to be quite young (less than 12 months), despite being a large beast - it was very friendly though and desperate to get to me through the fence.
So, first call - local Police. Not interested, told me to ring the RSPCA, totally unwilling to help and surprised that I couldn't instantly memorise a 10 digit phone no. No worries, I got the number for the local RSPCA from my smartphone.
2nd call - RSPCA. Whilst the operator seemed irritated that I'd bothered to wake her up, asked a series of totally irrelevant questions, came across as totally irksome and difficult, she eventually managed to log my location, acknowledge why I had called and even realised that she had been a bit of a pain and thanked me for my call and my patience - someone would be in attendance shortly.
Half an hour later, a call from a different member of the RSPCA. Quite bluntly she told me that as the animal wasn't being treated cruelly, or in any immediate danger (bear in mind I initially selected the option for a trapped animal) that I had to contact the dog warden, as they weren't going to deal with it. I explained that I'd now spent an hour of my day (whilst I was being paid and supposed to be working for a customer) to really devote any more time to this. Not their problem apparently, at which point I pointed out that I had informed them of an animal in obvious distress and surely they had (if not a duty of care) at least some responsibility to deal with the situation.
Apparently not - "we are a charity, the dog warden gets paid" was the response. Right, I'll just leave it there then shall I? I said. This was met with (don't quote me, but) something along the lines of - do what you want, we won't be attending. At this point I put the phone down, as not to swear.
So, I eventually get hold of the local dog warden - guess what? "Sorry, it's on private property, we can't attend." Fortunately my exasperation struck a chord at this point and some sensible thinking came into play. Based on the possibility that if the dog escaped, it may possibly end up on the motorway, they overruled protocol and decided to attend. They did stress that if I/we could get it out somehow it would be of a great help.
I'll go on, and I'm sure there'll be plenty of INRATS, but some might like to know the ending....
Don't think I went through all this without investigating an escape route - a colleague had previously looked and couldn't find a way in/out. Anyway, a slightly less stupid(??) colleague had now found a way in and approached the pooch - fortunately, it was pleased to see him and didn't rip his face off. He tried to lead it out, but my new best friend wouldn't go unless I followed it along the fenceline. It came straight to me when it came out and had a good fuss. A bloke from the demolition site (who'd been phoned by the warden) came out and said he'd take it to a cabin for a warm and a drink.
The final chapter - after HATO had been scrambled for assistance (by the dog warden, warning of the possibility of a loose dog on the motorway), everyone turned up on site - I was prepared to take my new best mate home if it was going to the pound to be destroyed. It seems the bloke who'd taken it onto the demolition site had taken a shine to it and was now it's new owner. Exactly what had been sorted with the warden was done before I came back. I don't think some owner was sat at home distraught - the general concensus was that it was a ***** dog. It was very smelly and seemed pretty much untrained.
Flame forth with critiscism, but that's just how the day went. I think it was a blessing it didn't come home with me - as I spent 2 and a half hours sat in a jam on the M1 because of a loose pig nr Leicester!
Posted 15 hours ago #
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RSPCA Rant... and some ramblings about my day
30 posts & 22 voices | Started 15 hours ago by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR | Latest reply from Freester
TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member
Disclaimer - a measured and composed rant, so no comments about swearing/capitals required etc.
Right, so previous attempts to adopt a dog and subsequent interviews/interrogation that you might expect if you were a paedophile trying to adopt a 2 year old baby aside, my experience with the RSPCA today has left me seething.
Working just off the M1 Junction 11 (Luton) today, on the roundabout to the A505, I found a trapped dog - a German Shepherd. It was seemingly trapped between a high security fence and a hoarding erected by a demolition company. It had no visible way out, but could move around freely (8ft gap). Although it had a run in either direction of approx 100mtrs, it seemed quite distressed and wanted to stay close to where I was working.
Initially I presumed it was an agitated guard dog, as it paced up and down snapping and barking, but as the day wore on, it became more apparent that it wasn't. I tentatively approached it and ended up fussing it through the security fence - it now appeared to be quite young (less than 12 months), despite being a large beast - it was very friendly though and desperate to get to me through the fence.
So, first call - local Police. Not interested, told me to ring the RSPCA, totally unwilling to help and surprised that I couldn't instantly memorise a 10 digit phone no. No worries, I got the number for the local RSPCA from my smartphone.
2nd call - RSPCA. Whilst the operator seemed irritated that I'd bothered to wake her up, asked a series of totally irrelevant questions, came across as totally irksome and difficult, she eventually managed to log my location, acknowledge why I had called and even realised that she had been a bit of a pain and thanked me for my call and my patience - someone would be in attendance shortly.
Half an hour later, a call from a different member of the RSPCA. Quite bluntly she told me that as the animal wasn't being treated cruelly, or in any immediate danger (bear in mind I initially selected the option for a trapped animal) that I had to contact the dog warden, as they weren't going to deal with it. I explained that I'd now spent an hour of my day (whilst I was being paid and supposed to be working for a customer) to really devote any more time to this. Not their problem apparently, at which point I pointed out that I had informed them of an animal in obvious distress and surely they had (if not a duty of care) at least some responsibility to deal with the situation.
Apparently not - "we are a charity, the dog warden gets paid" was the response. Right, I'll just leave it there then shall I? I said. This was met with (don't quote me, but) something along the lines of - do what you want, we won't be attending. At this point I put the phone down, as not to swear.
So, I eventually get hold of the local dog warden - guess what? "Sorry, it's on private property, we can't attend." Fortunately my exasperation struck a chord at this point and some sensible thinking came into play. Based on the possibility that if the dog escaped, it may possibly end up on the motorway, they overruled protocol and decided to attend. They did stress that if I/we could get it out somehow it would be of a great help.
I'll go on, and I'm sure there'll be plenty of INRATS, but some might like to know the ending....
Don't think I went through all this without investigating an escape route - a colleague had previously looked and couldn't find a way in/out. Anyway, a slightly less stupid(??) colleague had now found a way in and approached the pooch - fortunately, it was pleased to see him and didn't rip his face off. He tried to lead it out, but my new best friend wouldn't go unless I followed it along the fenceline. It came straight to me when it came out and had a good fuss. A bloke from the demolition site (who'd been phoned by the warden) came out and said he'd take it to a cabin for a warm and a drink.
The final chapter - after HATO had been scrambled for assistance (by the dog warden, warning of the possibility of a loose dog on the motorway), everyone turned up on site - I was prepared to take my new best mate home if it was going to the pound to be destroyed. It seems the bloke who'd taken it onto the demolition site had taken a shine to it and was now it's new owner. Exactly what had been sorted with the warden was done before I came back. I don't think some owner was sat at home distraught - the general concensus was that it was a ***** dog. It was very smelly and seemed pretty much untrained.
Flame forth with critiscism, but that's just how the day went. I think it was a blessing it didn't come home with me - as I spent 2 and a half hours sat in a jam on the M1 because of a loose pig nr Leicester!
Posted 15 hours ago #
putasocinit
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Hear hear horserider, page 1 post.
BWa
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Based on the One Show tonight, they can do no wrong. Phah, that leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Superhot
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Ponypilotmum. Did you call WHW about the tethered horses standing in water? I have always found them to be very supportive.
fburton
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Which date was that one, and how far through the programme? I skimmed the episode broadcast on the 28th and didn't catch any reference to RSPCA at all.
BWa
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Last night-Wednesday. The bit about the floods with Ewan Thomas taking feed to calves with the RSPCA by boat.
elijahasgal
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Been interesting reading the posts in the mean time, as have had computer issues!
In answer to how many times, it was at least 6. To ensure that the muck was moved so it didnt cause mud fever (!)
Yes you only have my word that nothing else was found to be wrong, but I am not given to distorting truth.
It seems to me that if you give the officers any time, are willing to proove your worthiness to have an animal, and seem to take in what they say, they push in and harass you to acheive whatever level of care they decide is right. If you tell them to get stuffed and get lost, they have no access to your land or animals and leave you alone.
Bears thinking about, doesnt it? Yet someone else I know who neglects horses (I loaned one not knowing, and the condition when it came home which is another story) continually gets away with it.
Maybe the RSPCA should become an prosecution/lobbying society, and leave the rescue and care of animals to smaller charaties, that if they can pass their inspections, should be awarded a badge, affiliated to the RSPCA.
Then there is a clear line as to what is being done and by whome
In answer to how many times, it was at least 6. To ensure that the muck was moved so it didnt cause mud fever (!)
Yes you only have my word that nothing else was found to be wrong, but I am not given to distorting truth.
It seems to me that if you give the officers any time, are willing to proove your worthiness to have an animal, and seem to take in what they say, they push in and harass you to acheive whatever level of care they decide is right. If you tell them to get stuffed and get lost, they have no access to your land or animals and leave you alone.
Bears thinking about, doesnt it? Yet someone else I know who neglects horses (I loaned one not knowing, and the condition when it came home which is another story) continually gets away with it.
Maybe the RSPCA should become an prosecution/lobbying society, and leave the rescue and care of animals to smaller charaties, that if they can pass their inspections, should be awarded a badge, affiliated to the RSPCA.
Then there is a clear line as to what is being done and by whome
fburton
Well-Known Member
Got it, thanks! (Not sure how I managed to miss that part...)
However... I didn't pick up on anything untoward about the RSPCA and the job they were doing, and no suggestion that they "can do no wrong".
BWa
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Nothing untoward, I just found it all a bit 'how amazing are we' in the way that they pointed out more than once that the calves would die without them. I dont like the way that they sometimes come across as the only ones who can save animals. But I don't like them so my opinion is somewhat twisted!
fburton
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Ok, I see what you mean BWa. However, I think one has to accept that a degree of self promotion is natural for an organization that wants to attract public support and donations.
BWa
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Certainly, but I'm not sure everyone who donates would be aware that some of their donations is spent on a fancy new headquarters and court cases against huntsmen following a law which is has more holes than a colander. I think we should agree to differ on this one fburton!
fburton
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I certainly am not unthinkingly pro RSPCA (or SSPCA) - far from it.