Rude Competitors -Unaff SJ

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susie2193

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Not a lot of point to this post, but just needed to vent my anger.

Judging yesterday at an unaffiliated SJ event, (I am a BS judge), a competitor came in with a schooling whip, as it was unaff we decided to let her jump and then have a quiet word afterwards just to let her know it wasn't allowed. She got eliminated at the 6th fence for 2 stops and then proceeded to beat her pony, at least 7 or 8 times, enough to leave wheals we could see from the box. We asked her to come to the box, with a parent, when she had dismounted.

Her mother came in to ask why we wanted to speak to her, and told us she was 16. So we said that she didn't need a parent but we wanted to talk to the girl.

When she came in, we pointed out the a schooling whip wasn't allowed in the rules, to be told it wasn't her fault as it wasn't her pony and the owner had given it to her as "he needs it" !! We did point out that in fact we could have eliminated her and not let her jump at all to be told that we obviously didn't know the rules and she could carry whatever whip she liked.

On the subject of hitting her pony, we asked her if she knew how many times the rules permitted him to be hit to be told, "as many as she felt necessary, and what the **** had it got to do with us it was her pony not ours". At which point she stormed out. By the time we had got hold of the organiser they had left the show ground.

The organisers know who she is and needless to say she will not be allowed to jump at that venue again. My fellow judge, who has been judging for about 15 years said she had never been spoken to like that before.

My main concern was if she treated her pony like that in the ring, what did she do to it at home. And also where was her basic respect for the judges, we never shouted at her and tried to point out her mistake in a constructive manner.

Rant over, thanks for reading.
 
Good grief, she sounds like a proper little madam, I can't believe she spoke to you like that.

Me thinks she could do with a couple of wacks with that whip to put her back in her place.

Spoilt little brat
 
Utterly, utterly disgusting. But what worries me is that at 16, in all honesty, she's the product of an RI somewhere (unless her parents teach her). So exacty how has she been taught???? Shouldn't be allowed a cockroach, never mind a pony.
 
I have been called to the judges box before and I was mortified, how do people dare be that rude! :eek:

(I didn't get called for hitting my horse, naughty old me got eliminated at a double, and then jumped it as my fence on the way out. Yes, I know, not allowed, but never mind!)
 
Stencilface said:
I have been called to the judges box before and I was mortified, how do people dare be that rude! :eek:

(I didn't get called for hitting my horse, naughty old me got eliminated at a double, and then jumped it as my fence on the way out. Yes, I know, not allowed, but never mind!)
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Exactly, most people are mortified, and normally only ever get called in once, and it is normally to point out a rule. We try to be nice, esp at unaff, and tell people rather than eliminating them.
 
How awful and her mothers attitude stank too!

I'm a bit of a snob when it comes un unaff :o and it's a huge relief that my boy is happily jumping BN!
 
You wonder how much the parents know about horses to allow children to treat a pony like that let's face it the most she can have been 16 for is 11mnths, and you're unlikely to develop those habits in that space of time to that extent.
I always remember my friend used to jump BSJA when she was a kid (too many years ago to tell), the pony she had really was a bit of a toad, can't remember what he done in the ring, but she belted him several times when she came out, at which point her mother pulled her off the pony, threw her in the back seat of the car and if I say what else happened she would be done for child abuse.
My point is as children we were not allowed to treat our ponies like that, yes they were sometimes little turds but you didn't embarass yourself in public like that.
She should be named and shamed to all other venues in the area, all the money on classes can be spent on lessons in respect.
 
Poor pony and no wonder her manners stank if the mother was like that as well.

Interestingly, my daughter was very kindly taken xc schooling by our YO (who is a pro) when she first started eveting about 4 and a half years ago on her old pony, who could be a right git. YO was brilliant with her, as this pony was tricky and she was inexperienced. However, when my daughter decided to smack her pony around the ears with her whip for not understanding what she was wanting her to do, YO took action. She jumped off her horse, dragged Mini TX off of her pony, took her hat off and smacked her around the ears - in her words 'how would you like it'. All of this was in front of me and some other people we had gone out with. She kicked her pony next to my horse and cried her eyes out. I just walked away sorry to say, and told her to go and apologise to the YO for your rudeness. That she duly did and she cringes at the memory. Never again.

Vile child.
 
susie2193 said:
My main concern was if she treated her pony like that in the ring, what did she do to it at home. And also where was her basic respect for the judges, we never shouted at her and tried to point out her mistake in a constructive manner.
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My thoughts exactly, there are some horrible teenage brats about, equally there are just as many adults that behave in the same way and should know better.

If you can’t take embarrassment from your horse every now and again at competitions, you’re in the wrong game!
 
Naryafluffy said:
I always remember my friend used to jump BSJA when she was a kid (too many years ago to tell), the pony she had really was a bit of a toad, can't remember what he done in the ring, but she belted him several times when she came out, at which point her mother pulled her off the pony, threw her in the back seat of the car and if I say what else happened she would be done for child abuse.
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Well violence breeds violence. If a child is taught to deal with anger and punishment through physical violence against the guilty party, then it's not exactly suprising they mirror that behaviour.

Beating children and animals is wrong. I can't see the logic in beating up a kid as punishment for child hitting a pony.
 
Scheherezade said:
Well violence breeds violence. If a child is taught to deal with anger and punishment through physical violence against the guilty party, then it's not exactly suprising they mirror that behaviour.

Beating children and animals is wrong. I can't see the logic in beating up a kid as punishment for child hitting a pony.
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Well this must be the exception then, because needless to say the pony was never beaten again. Knowing the parents and the child it was not an every day occurence (or an every year occurence) to 'beat' the child (although not quite sure where in my post I said the child was beaten, bearing in mind that smacking children is now seen as child abuse).
I do not condone mindless violence, but there is a huge difference to being reprimanded and being smacked to be beaten for no reason, I have in the past reprimanded my horse (if she kicked another horse out in the field they would kick back, I follow herd behaviour, i have never 'beaten' my horse for no reason, if I couldn't get it over the jump I was doing something wrong. I can ride my horse with the whip waving up and down the side of her face and swishing over the top of her head to get rid of flies, every horse is different but mine's has very good manners and is not frightened of me, I'm the same with my parents I hope I'm well mannered and I was never frightened of my parents, but if I done something I knew was wrong I knew there were consequences.
Maybe if the child respected the pony and adults it would never have came to this in the first place.
I do see someone else's child had a similar experience, bet that child never done it again.
 
Great that the organiser has banned her. I think this fact should also be published in the results. Additionally, why don't organisers pool their banned lists and keep these sort of people out of all competitions within a locality. Then, it will be pointless for them to own horses, which may save abuses occurring.
 
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