Rugby pelham vs normal pelham, pretty please??

[somethingorother]

I know, i'm sorry i've been posting lots of boring bit questions recently!

Tried the lad in his old 'double' (as called by his owner) which is in fact a double bridle with a normal pelham. The 'bradoon' cheekpiece is on the snaffle ring, but seems to have little effect. He went so nice that i hardly needed my hands at all, which is excellent, obviously. He seemed much happier than in either of his snaffles. But he chews it (only when not working) so it's cracked and i need to get another

So my questions are please:

-Is it ok to use a normal pelham like a rugby pelham?

-If not do you lose some of the sensitivity in using a rugby? I'm a bit worried about this since the ring looks so far away from the actual bit.

-Also is happy mouth classed as 'soft rubber' as opposed to others classed as 'hard rubber' ?

His pelham is a soft rubber ( so happy mouth??) jointed and i am thinking of getting a mullen mouth hard rubber so it's more robust, and it's not so strong as the nutcracker action. The main problem is that of normal vs rugby pelham?

Thanks, no more boring questions about bits now i promise!!

Mini eggs to anyone who can help

 

[Lucy_Nottingham]

rugby pelhams are those with the additional snaffle type ring attached at the back of the rugby bit.
So its only 1 bit, just with the look of two.

If you have a bradoon snaffle and a pelham bit in his mouth and he has snapped the pelham (am I right here?!) then I would just replace whatever he snapped the same. If you want to replace the happy mouth for the harder black rubber (I think im right, the happy mouth bits are the white softer rubber and the black rubber is the harder stuff!) the black rubber mouthpiece I think are quite chunky so just be aware of this when you are asking him to have 2 bits in his mouth at once and one has that fat mouthpiece!

I personally prefer my rugby pelham which has the appearance of a double (with a slip head) but only has the one mouthpiece in the horses mouth.

However if you want to have 2 bits in, I would consider taking your bradoon to a saddlery shop and asking for advice on the weymouth bit to go with it (with the mouth piece and style etc that you want)


I hope this helps some?! I got a bit tangled reading your OP...... sorry!

 

[somethingorother]

No snaffle, just the pelham in. But the it's a double bridle so there's a cheekpiece on the normal part you would attach a pelham to, and a cheekpiece on the ring you put the top reins on (snaffle part, not shank)

So only one bit in his mouth, sorry for confusion, would never ride with pelham and bradoon!! It's just the fact that his owner seems to think a pelham is a 'double' and thus attaches it like so to a double bridle. Although he seems happy like this i was wondering if it had any undesired effects?

I know the rugby is the one that looks like a double, and you can/should use it with a double bridle (but not heard of normal pelham being used like this before) hence the question. I just think the rugby looks a bit... 'dangly' with the ring being attached by that little link to the bit. So was worried about not getting a very accurate 'feel' on it.

Sorry it's a confusing post- it confuses me too! lol

 

[Maiko]

A normal pelham does not need a slip head. It attaches to the bridle like a snaffle bit would. A rugby pelham can be used in conjunction with a slip head if desired.

Personally, I dislike rugby pelhams, as they make the head look very cluttered.

 

[somethingorother]

I know the normal doesn't need the slip head, but it is on one non the less due to owner of my share. So just wondered if it can stay that way or if it will interfere with how the bit works. From what i could see the slip head seems not to have much effect on it, but then again it is hard from up there to see.

I don't mind about cluttered heads as he doesn't show anymore (used to a lot, which i think is why he is coumfy in a pelham) but i do want to be able to take advantage of his very sensitive nature the best i can, which i am worried the 'dangly' attachment of the extra ring on the rugby will interfere with.

Sorry i'm not explaining this very well! Basically, is a rubgy pelham less nice to ride in than a normal pelham... i think i have narrowed it down to that.
And will the use of a slip head (wrongly) on a normal pelham cause issues, do you think? Or should i just explain to the owner and be thought of as an interfering know it all?

 

[Kat]

I'm not sure you are straight on the rubbers, Happy Mouth isn't the same as rubber, it is the all plastic white mouthpiece. Some horses like them but if he chews his bit I would avoid like the plague as they can get rough with chewing and make the mouth sore.

Hard rubber I would have thought would be vulcanite, warmer than metal but with no give. Is that what you have now?

Soft rubber would be metal coated with rubber, these are soft on the mouth but a horse that chews might get through them pretty quickly. Although it wouldn't get sharpe and would still be useable if chewed as the metal underneath would be intact.