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I posted a thread earlier which has now been deleted.

I posted about the plight of racehorses being transported to France alive for meat.

A row ensued as usual on these matters and now the thread is no more.

Because of peoples issues with each other hundreds of horses will die horrible deaths.

Please I beg, I beseech and implore you . Get over your egos whichever side of the divide you are on and join together in a selfless way to stop the slaughter.

Stop the slaughter, stop the suffering. Stop the cruelty.

Please STOP fighting each other.
 
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I didn't see the thread but I have an idea of which way it went. I agree that fighting amongst ourselves is not productive.
 
this is the problem, it all started out very informative and everyone that read it was shocked and humbled and I would say on their way to help campaign about this issue and then one individual decided to turn it into an attack.

Said individual and their followers always rear their ugly faces and argue that the sky is green just to single out certain posters.

This is a REAL problem and whether or not ERF got publicity out of it surely we should all stand together and spread the news of what is happening??
 
Roxanne said:
A row ensued as usual on these matters and now the thread is no more.

Because of peoples issues with each other hundreds of horses will die horrible deaths.

Please I beg, I beseech and implore you . Get over your egos whichever side of the divide you are on and join together in a selfless way to stop the slaughter.

Stop the slaughter, stop the suffering. Stop the cruelty.

Please STOP fighting each other.
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:)I believe you'll find that we do care, and that many, many of us, already support the "On the hook, not the hoof" campaigns. Which presumably is what you are asking us to do.

Stopping the slaughter altogether isn't going to solve anything, look at what happened in the US when the bleeding hearts closed the slaughterhouses! Even worse:mad: There are worse things happening to horses than a well placed bullet.
 
I didn't see the earlier post, so am not sure quite whether you're talking about horses from the UK being transported, or horses in general (lots come over from Eastern Europe to France and Italy)

I work in the European Parliament, and we have been following the issue of horse transportation very closely here. A few animal / horse rights groups have been pushing for tighter regulations on horse transportation. HOWEVER, whilst I agree that legislation should be enforced (obviously), the reason they are transported live is so that they can be slaughtered in Italy and labelled "Italian horse meat". Unsurprisingly, Italian consumers think - and like to think - that they are eating Italian horses when in fact they are not.

Last week, legislation was voted through the European Parliament to stop the labelling of meat products in this way. The legislation still has to be raked over by the Council (made up of representitive ministers from the EU countries), but I'm HOPING that legislation that ends the labelling of meat in this way will mean the effective end of live transportation, particularly from Eastern states.

Generally speaking I'm quite Eurosceptic. The Greeks can run their economy any way they like, as long as they don't tell us how we should run ours. But if this legislation works the way it's supposed to, I think the EU will have really done something worthwhile (for a change!).
 
Thank you Kittykins
Please keep us updated on that
It could make all the difference to ''On the hook not on the hoof'' campaigns for all livestock not just horses.
 
Roxanne said:
I posted a thread earlier which has now been deleted.

I posted about the plight of racehorses being transported to France alive for meat.

A row ensued as usual on these matters and now the thread is no more.

Because of peoples issues with each other hundreds of horses will die horrible deaths.

Please I beg, I beseech and implore you . Get over your egos whichever side of the divide you are on and join together in a selfless way to stop the slaughter.

Stop the slaughter, stop the suffering. Stop the cruelty.

Please STOP fighting each other.
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God you are a drama queen!!! Most of the people involved in the discussion seem to have done more than most one way or another, to bring up and publicise the issue of live transportation of horses and the plight of horses which end up in France facing that very prospect! Don't you think all horse lovers either for or against rescueing from abroad, have the aim of stopping this transportation going on??? You will never ever stop the slaughter but you can aim to try to stop animals being moved in packed lorries to slaughterhouses in other countries.
 
Roxanne, as horrid as the plight of these ex racehorses is; the live export of horses and ponies from the UK to satisfy the continental horse meat market happens, its a very lucrative market. The animals are only transported live because the continental housewife insists that the meat she buys in her local shop has been slaughtered in her own country.
The resulting meat is of poorer quality compared to meat which is produced here in the UK.

So if we want to stop the unneccessary suffering of those animals exported live for meat and I include cattle ,sheep, pigs ect in this too ;then we must work hard to re educate the continental market to the benfits of buying meat produced here in the UK. The animal welfare regulations in the UK which govern the slaughter of horses for human consumption are the highest in Europe if not the world.
I dont like this live transportation any more than you do, but I'm a pragmatist. The slaughter will continue no matter how may tears are shed. So better to slaughter here in the UK, and transport the resultant meat abroad. In this way there is much more control over the whole process.

By the way, would you perfer that all these unwanted ex racehorses were put out to grass to be neglected and lead thoroughly miserable lives. There just aren't enough good homes out there for all of them. The Re-homing charites do their very best, but .........
Maybe we should look to the bloodstock industry to police the indescriminate breeding of bloodstock here in the UK.

Just for the record - I am a farmers wife, owner of an ex racehorse, and a vegetarian.
 
this whole issue has been laying on my mind and dragging me down the last two days. I hope the good news on the EU front will be put thru - but then again, this IS the EU. It really does cut thru me like a stab. sm x
 
Kittykins said:
I didn't see the earlier post, so am not sure quite whether you're talking about horses from the UK being transported, or horses in general (lots come over from Eastern Europe to France and Italy)

I work in the European Parliament, and we have been following the issue of horse transportation very closely here. A few animal / horse rights groups have been pushing for tighter regulations on horse transportation. HOWEVER, whilst I agree that legislation should be enforced (obviously), the reason they are transported live is so that they can be slaughtered in Italy and labelled "Italian horse meat". Unsurprisingly, Italian consumers think - and like to think - that they are eating Italian horses when in fact they are not.

Last week, legislation was voted through the European Parliament to stop the labelling of meat products in this way. The legislation still has to be raked over by the Council (made up of representitive ministers from the EU countries), but I'm HOPING that legislation that ends the labelling of meat in this way will mean the effective end of live transportation, particularly from Eastern states.

Generally speaking I'm quite Eurosceptic. The Greeks can run their economy any way they like, as long as they don't tell us how we should run ours. But if this legislation works the way it's supposed to, I think the EU will have really done something worthwhile (for a change!).
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I did read about that last week and felt it could only be good news in the fight against live transport - thanks for posting that.
 
A genuine question... if the horses are transported there and left for an amount of time before slaughtering, would they be labelled Italian horsemeat the way I read on here lambs are labelled welsh lamb when they come from elsewhere?
 
beer101, I can't speak for everyone but I, personally, would prefer these animals pts in the UK, whether for meat or not, doesn't bother me, as long as it's done humanely.

For me, the main issue, is people not taking responsibility for the horse once it has served it's purpose and then trying to make a fast buck.
 
I expect that this thread will be deleted soon too but if you had read my previous thread then you would not suggest I was a bunny hugger and trying to stop the slaughter of horses only the live transport of them. I agree that they should be slaughtered at local abbatoirs. MAny are better off with a well placed bullet than the end they meet now.

I have no issue with horse meat or horse/donkey salami only that they are treated humanely and without cruelty.

I cant understand why you are so aggressive to me. Because what I posted before has been deleted you are not in possession of the facts of my point of view. I am sad as per the title of this thread because people got personal they got the thread deleted and so more horses suffer while people who can make a difference are too busy point scoring.
 
Well I only saw a bit of the other thread yesterday, it had gone when I looked today. However I got the impression the OP was concerned more about the fact that an ex racer had been exported to France to go to a meat yard, rather than the actual slaughter aspect. Personally I would not have a problem with an ex racer going to slaughter in this country, probably preferable to being "rescued" by someone who has no idea of a TBs needs, which happens rather too often sadly.
 
Roxanne said:
I cant understand why you are so aggressive to me. Because what I posted before has been deleted you are not in possession of the facts of my point of view. I am sad as per the title of this thread because people got personal they got the thread deleted and so more horses suffer while people who can make a difference are too busy point scoring.
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I wasnt being aggressive, god forbid, I was pointing out the way you posted came across as a drama queen.Very melodramatic. How does the thread being deleted equate to more horses suffering?
 
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