Sad,confused thread :(

Why oh why do people collect animals they have no time for, nor the experience to manage.

If you can't or don't want to keep this horse - sell him to the meat man. A bolter should never be sold on. And selling him for meat will recoup some money on him.
 
Not even the best rider in the world can cure a true bolter.

If he is a true bolter, the only cure is a bullet. Unless you want to keep him as a companion. If you truly believe he is a true bolter, its disgraceful you are even considering selling him on. A true bolter should never be ridden. EVER!

It doesn't sound like he is a bolter though. If you do sell, you will have to write that he tanks off.
 
AmyMay- Your out of order.. I have the time and the experience for him. He doesnt tank off anymore. I can hack him anywhere and everywhere, lead horse or behind and hes good. Forward and strong but thats him,he's still well behaved. Maybe I should never have said he was a 'bolter' but thats how the women sold him to me but I disagree.. If he was a bolter he wouldnt have been able to be ridden by a disabled man which he was when he was first ridden. They sold him as they felt he was wasted and should compete so sold him to a lady who left him in a field to ride once a month. This wasnt ever going to suit him as hes a very high energy horse who loves work and he's been out competing. This was the problem. He'd learnt to tank off with her and that she's get scared. He doesnt do that now, I'd never have contempalted putting someone else on him for a hack if he was dangerous.... This last bolt was out of the ordinary and not a reason to have him pts for gods sake... I care for these ponies and they always end up better than before... I work hard on them and I am experienced.
I just feel maybe its time to stop taking on projects and get a horse for me...
 
Sure we've had same conversation before. You say horse is a bolter, I say that's dangerous. You say not actually a bolter, horses are flight animals & all have the potential to bolt, he's no worse than any other. I say rubbish, only a tiny % of horses ever bolt. If its just tanking, get some lessons & sell. If it bolts, pts. And sell other project too before you give that a rep for dangerous behavior too.
 
Yes Guido16-But any horse can bolt, Ive known a few horses in riding schools who have bolted. But they are not bolters and are stil used in the riding school and still safe. A horse is a horse,unpredictable! If they're scared they will run, its their instinct
 
Your so out of order... New project allready rears. She had that 'rep' long before I got her.... But oh wait.. How long til 'she rears, pts shes dangerous'... No shes not shes nappy. She knows exactly what shes doing and she wont go over and she stops if you dont react.. But im sure most of you would say put her to sleep too
 
SarahRicoh said:
AmyMay- Your out of order.. I have the time and the experience for him. He doesnt tank off anymore. I can hack him anywhere and everywhere, lead horse or behind and hes good. Forward and strong but thats him,he's still well behaved. Maybe I should never have said he was a 'bolter' but thats how the women sold him to me but I disagree.. If he was a bolter he wouldnt have been able to be ridden by a disabled man which he was when he was first ridden. They sold him as they felt he was wasted and should compete so sold him to a lady who left him in a field to ride once a month. This wasnt ever going to suit him as hes a very high energy horse who loves work and he's been out competing. This was the problem. He'd learnt to tank off with her and that she's get scared. He doesnt do that now, I'd never have contempalted putting someone else on him for a hack if he was dangerous.... This last bolt was out of the ordinary and not a reason to have him pts for gods sake... I care for these ponies and they always end up better than before... I work hard on them and I am experienced.
I just feel maybe its time to stop taking on projects and get a horse for me...
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I think AmyMay is right.

It does sound as if your Horse tanked and not bolted (if you have ever sat on a bolter you would know the difference, trust me)

Perhaps next time go for an older been there done that type that you can enjoy and concentrate on you as the rider.
 
I would never pts a healthy horse that is happy and is 99% of the time good then 1% bolted... That is totally unfair on the horse. Some horses never hack and just compete and school and train because they cant hack... Doesnt mean they should be pts
 
SarahRicoh said:
AmyMay- You're out of order.. I have the time and the experience for him. He doesnt tank off anymore.
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A couple of days ago my horse and my friends bolted
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Sorry, really confused now. He doesn't or does?

And yes, all horses have it in them to bolt. Thankfully most don't though, certainly not at the sight of a picnic blanket at any rate.......

Either way, if you have a bolter that you no longer want, you can't sell it. So you either have to keep it or shoot it.
 
LaurenBay-I can promise you this was a bolt. I can now tell the difference between this and what he's done before... So he has bolted this once... Probably because the other horse spooked and ran into him and they went...
 
SarahRicoh said:
Yes Guido16-But any horse can bolt, Ive known a few horses in riding schools who have bolted. But they are not bolters and are stil used in the riding school and still safe. A horse is a horse,unpredictable! If they're scared they will run, its their instinct
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You are right they are not bolters. They are tanking.

Please understand there is a huge huge difference between a Horse that tanks and a Horse that bolts. You said your Horse bolts. Which is why people have suggested PTS. Tanking isn't fun no, but can be sorted with the correct schooling. Bolting as I have already said cannot be cured.
 
OMG can nobody understand what I've said... I bought him labelled as a bolter. He wasnt and my YM/instructor would never have let me buy him if he was.. He's tanked off a few times which I thought was him bolting as she said he bolted. My bad. This time was a real bolt and now I can see the other times werent. Just because he bolted this once does not make him a bolter and unsaleable
 
SarahRicoh said:
LaurenBay-I can promise you this was a bolt. I can now tell the difference between this and what he's done before... So he has bolted this once... Probably because the other horse spooked and ran into him and they went...
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Then it is irresponsible for you to pass him on. If you don't want to work with him anymore then put him down.
 
SarahRicoh said:
AmyMay- Your out of order.. I have the time and the experience for him. He doesnt tank off anymore. I can hack him anywhere and everywhere, lead horse or behind and hes good. Forward and strong but thats him,he's still well behaved. Maybe I should never have said he was a 'bolter' but thats how the women sold him to me but I disagree.. If he was a bolter he wouldnt have been able to be ridden by a disabled man which he was when he was first ridden. They sold him as they felt he was wasted and should compete so sold him to a lady who left him in a field to ride once a month. This wasnt ever going to suit him as hes a very high energy horse who loves work and he's been out competing. This was the problem. He'd learnt to tank off with her and that she's get scared. He doesnt do that now, I'd never have contempalted putting someone else on him for a hack if he was dangerous.... This last bolt was out of the ordinary and not a reason to have him pts for gods sake... I care for these ponies and they always end up better than before... I work hard on them and I am experienced.
I just feel maybe its time to stop taking on projects and get a horse for me...
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Why is Amymay out of order? What she has said is completely true.

You bought a horse with an issue that you have failed to fix, you have also admitted to not having time (or the money to buy) for your other project horse.
Seems to me that you have a slightly inflated view of your ability to 'fix' problem horses.
I would stop collecting them, because you can't help them.
Don't be under any illusion, you haven't helped this bolter in the slightest. He still bolts, to the point that you are now too scared to keep him, yet you don't think you're being irresponsible in selling him? :rolleyes:
 
on this thread; http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=542126
im guessing crepelo is the one you are talking about now and Bertie or Joe is the one you had legal problems with? but on that post it says you got them for free?? so why do you have to pay if it was free? correct me if im wrong :)

You said you brought him as a bolter and now he is better, but you have admitted he has bolted 3 times with you since? Yes, all horses CAN bolt, but a true bolter is dangerous, a riding school pony who has 'bolted' probably wasnt a true bolter and it was just tanking off.


also, you said you brought him to compete on, but now you dont want to because you cant afford it?! so if you cant afford it why are you buying another project?
 
SarahRicoh said:
OMG can nobody understand what I've said... I bought him labelled as a bolter. He wasnt and my YM/instructor would never have let me buy him if he was.. He's tanked off a few times which I thought was him bolting as she said he bolted. My bad. This time was a real bolt and now I can see the other times werent. Just because he bolted this once does not make him a bolter and unsaleable
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Well actually no... you seem to contradict yourself quite a lot. Its hard to follow your posts.

I shall say this and then leave this thread.

My honest opinion....

You are not as experinced as you think. Your Horse tanked and didn't bolt. If you do sell, please do be honest and write the Horse has tanked a few times. Do not take any more projects on, instead I would look for an older been there done that type, have some lessons with said new Horse. Good luck.
 
Any horse can also kick to death someone handling it, or rear over backwards, or anything else. Doesn't mean we expect that to happen in our daily routines. You also seem confused by what flight instinct is. Flight instincts purpose is to save the horse from a predator, so is purely based on self preservation. A horse fleeing from danger may well hurt itself in the unnatural environments we keep them in, the concept of meeting cars on certain roads or stopping at junctions while fleeing is beyond them. But in a natural environment, a fleeing horse will dodge obstacles, adjust its speed so it doesn't risk falling, & keep very close watch on the outside environment so it doesn't run into a different predator. A bolting horse does none of those things, it just blindly runs, often through or into things, & often they fall while bolting. Because bolting horses have no self preservation at all when they bolt. They just run. So bolting is not anything to do with natural flight instinct to flee from danger.
 
Ok being practical say you do disclose his tanking when you sell him could you maybe take him to a couple of indoor jumping evenings just to show off what he can do putting videos on you tube of him schooling and jumping etc

If you want ro sell him as an allrounder and good jumper it would give you a better chance of selling him if you can show what he can't do

'forward going not novice ride horse that tanks off but probably had potential to do a lot of things' isn't going to get you your £500 in the middle of winter sadly

Maybe advertise him on Project Horses website. I'm not sure how much livery you pay but it may be worth selling him for less sooner rather than later as you will get savings from less livery and less feed etc which you could put towards your fund

Once he us gone maybe concentrate on the mare and don't fill the gap left by him, you'd be on much more of a sound footing financially with just one

Not meaning to sound like a cow but if you can't lay your hands on £500 in the next couple of months you do habd to consider what you'd do in an emergency and that's never a good thing to worry about - it sounds like you have overstretched yourself ability wise, financially and time wise

Take time to enjoy the next one and let someone else take on the others that tempt you
 
SarahRicoh - you can't have it both ways.

You cannot in one moment say that the horse '100% bolted' with you the other day, and the next moment say the horse is not a bolter, and doesn't even tank off anymore.

And yes, horses are flight animals. But it is not normal behaviour for a horse to bolt.
 
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As usual H&H people are quick to jump on you and shoot you down. Bertie and Joe were free, Crepelo I bought for £200. I can not be bothered to go over it again. If you lot think this then fine, its your opinion. I know he's 100x better now than he ever was. If I sell I will disclose everything hes done as I only want him to go to a good home
 
You should also be aware, OP, that it is now in print about this horse bolting - you should therefore proceed most carefully if you do decide to go down the sale route.

I have to say, I feel slightly concerned for this horse, and the new one...

Not meaning to sound like a cow but if you can't lay your hands on £500 in the next couple of months you do habd to consider what you'd do in an emergency and that's never a good thing to worry about - it sounds like you have overstretched yourself ability wise, financially and time wise
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I completely agree with this.

As usual H&H people are quick to jump on you and shoot you down.
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Not really. People can read, and follow up on post histories.....
 
amymay said:
I have to say, I feel slightly concerned for this horse, and the new one...
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You're not alone. Very worrying.

OP, I suggest that you stop collecting free or cheap horses that you are unable to fix/pay for and save up for an easy to do horse that is actually matched to your abilities.
 
SarahRicoh said:
LaurenBay-I can promise you this was a bolt. I can now tell the difference between this and what he's done before... So he has bolted this once... Probably because the other horse spooked and ran into him and they went...
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Ok so it definitely bolted this time with you and was sold you you as a bolter, 'um wouldn't that suggest then that maybe it bolts?
I do sympathise with you, particularly as you appear to have made a fair bit of progress with him. However you can't possibly be hoping to sell him for more than meat value surely?

If you feel confident to persevere with him then keep him for yourself and return the other project to its owner, things change, they'll understand. Or you could get rid of both and get a quiet hack to get your confidence back with. But for gods sake be honest if you do sell your boy, sorry but running flat out down the road and over a wall because of some small provocation is not the behaviour of a safe reliable horse. Theres a difference between 'not suitable for novice' and 'requires very experienced rider/bullet' and atm it sounds as though your horse is of the second type.
 
SarahRicoh said:
As usual H&H people are quick to jump on you and shoot you down. Bertie and Joe were free, Crepelo I bought for £200. I can not be bothered to go over it again. If you lot think this then fine, its your opinion. I know he's 100x better now than he ever was. If I sell I will disclose everything hes done as I only want him to go to a good home
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I was asking which one you had legal problems with?
 
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