Sad,confused thread :(

Thankyou Welsh D I appreicate your post. I know im overstretched hence why Im trying to fix it. I was very unfortunate to loose my second job which meant I could afford 2nd pony. This was not my fault and not something I could control unfrortunately. I pay quite a lot livery but I was wondering about moving the mare to my livery to work with her and sell crepelo from the other yard which is grass livery but has hacks and a school I can hire?
 
SarahRicoh said:
AmyMay- Your out of order.. I have the time and the experience for him. He doesnt tank off anymore. I can hack him anywhere and everywhere, lead horse or behind and hes good. Forward and strong but thats him,he's still well behaved. Maybe I should never have said he was a 'bolter' but thats how the women sold him to me but I disagree.. If he was a bolter he wouldnt have been able to be ridden by a disabled man which he was when he was first ridden. They sold him as they felt he was wasted and should compete so sold him to a lady who left him in a field to ride once a month. This wasnt ever going to suit him as hes a very high energy horse who loves work and he's been out competing. This was the problem. He'd learnt to tank off with her and that she's get scared. He doesnt do that now, I'd never have contempalted putting someone else on him for a hack if he was dangerous.... This last bolt was out of the ordinary and not a reason to have him pts for gods sake... I care for these ponies and they always end up better than before... I work hard on them and I am experienced.
I just feel maybe its time to stop taking on projects and get a horse for me...
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AmyMay is out of order????
Have you read what you have written.
You claim the horse is a bolter, yet you want to sell him....THATS out of order!
Sorry, but everything you have written confirms to me (and likely many others) that you have neither the experience nor the funds to proceed with this "project"....nor any other.
And FWIW if he jumped the wall or stopped at the wall he was not bolting.
 
I'm actually not convinced the horse has bolted. Just because *you* couldn't stop it, doesn't mean it bolted. That it didn't stop for a road is irrelevant, horses don't view roads as dangerous, they don't understand the threat posed by traffic. I would have expected a bolter to have run into the wall rather than jump it, or are you saying he hit the wall and scrambled over it and that's why you fell off? It's very very difficult, to stop a horse that is tanking off downhill without doing something that may cause it to lose balance and fall.

I think you'd enjoy the horse a lot more if you forgot hacking and had some lessons to learn how to progress the schooling and jumping, so you can compete. You'd then be able to sell as a competition pony, which gives him a better chance of a good home, with a rider who can hopefully handle him properly and give him enough work etc, and where his ability to hack out quietly is less of an issue. A horse that tanks off to that extent (or bolts) is not an allrounder as you describe. An allrounder would be expected to be a safe hack and this one isn't. You've had a nasty fall and its scared you, fair enough. You've realised you're out if your depth. But you sound a little better than an average rider, so if you sell on as an allrounder the new owner is likely to have problems too.

If horse was mine, I'd either put the work in and sell to a competition home, sell for a nominal sum as a project for an experienced rider, or if horse actually did bolt for absolutely no reason (eg pain which could be fixed etc) then PTS before it kills someone.

If you have to buy the second one you could either sell on straight away or put out to grass somewhere while you work on current horse.
 
Hollieb- I do not need to tell u who I had legal problems with as they are sorted now. Okay so if I go with all of you he's either tanking off or he needs shooting.. I have made progress with him and I cananot accept you all saying he needs to be pts. He doesnt. No horse is perfect. Him being perfect 99% of the time hasnt seemed to register with you.. I came on here for advice not to get attacked
 
I dont know what happened as I blacked out but he has cut his front legs so I dont think he fully jumped wall tbh... I will not just sell him now, I will work on him and if that means work on him to sell him as a competition type then I will
 
SarahRicoh said:
Hollieb- I do not need to tell u who I had legal problems with as they are sorted now. Okay so if I go with all of you he's either tanking off or he needs shooting.. I have made progress with him and I cananot accept you all saying he needs to be pts. He doesnt. No horse is perfect. Him being perfect 99% of the time hasnt seemed to register with you.. I came on here for advice not to get attacked
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So why are you selling him, if he's not a bolter, and not too much to handle?
Your OP sounded like you were thinking of selling with a heavy heart, since he is now too much for even your expert abilities?
 
SarahRicoh said:
Hollieb- I do not need to tell u who I had legal problems with as they are sorted now. Okay so if I go with all of you he's either tanking off or he needs shooting.. I have made progress with him and I cananot accept you all saying he needs to be pts. He doesnt. No horse is perfect. Him being perfect 99% of the time hasnt seemed to register with you.. I came on here for advice not to get attacked
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sorry, I was just confused as to which horse you had legal problems with because on the other thread it said you got them for free, my mistake!

I think people are just generally confused- you said he was a bolter, then he just tanked off, then he 100% bolted but he is not a bolter. if you were to sell him, what would you put in his advert?

People are saying IF he IS a true bolter then he is dangerous and you shouldn't sell him. They are not saying you should defo PTS, but it is hard to grasp what you are saying
 
SarahRicoh said:
Hollieb- I do not need to tell u who I had legal problems with as they are sorted now. Okay so if I go with all of you he's either tanking off or he needs shooting.. I have made progress with him and I cananot accept you all saying he needs to be pts. He doesnt. No horse is perfect. Him being perfect 99% of the time hasnt seemed to register with you.. I came on here for advice not to get attacked
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The fact is, if he is a bolter, then being perfect 99% of the time makes no odds. That would mean that 1 out of every 100 times you rode him he would blindly bolt - and a horse that blindly bolts is likely to kill you, and themselves. That's too high a risk.

If he doesn't actually bolt, and just tanks off - then by the sounds of it you're just not capable of dealing with him and he would be better with a more experienced rider.

The reason there are so many screwed up horses is that inexperienced people buy projects, thinking they are 'saving' them, and end up unable to deal with the issues, often rendering the horse useless for anything but a bullet.
 
TBH until the OP can decide on what exactly is fact and what is fiction regarding the horse and her abilities, we are all wasting our time.
She wants a pat on the head and telling how fab she is....not practical advice....
 
SarahRicoh said:
No horse is perfect. Him being perfect 99% of the time hasnt seemed to register with you.. I came on here for advice not to get attacked
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99% of the time my horses are also foot perfect. The 1% doesn't involve them bolting, however. And this is the case for the majority of horses.

What you don't seem to understand is that a 'bolter' does not necessarily bolt every time it's ridden. And yes quite often it may be that 99% of the time they are fine. However, that 1% turns them in to something quite lethal - which is why they should never be passed on.
 
I wouldnt say its genius to describe someones horse as needing a bullet tbh...

Sorry Hollie... Basically lady sold him to me as a bolter but he was just tanking off. He has tanked off with me in the past. He used to be very nervous of evrything. He's so much better now and is really good to hack in general. Is always leading the other horse past scary things(Shoot started other day right next to us) and he was good as gold. Iv'e had many nice hacks on him and the reason I moved yards was to have access to nice hacking for him. He schools and jumps to a basic level and I was due to have lessons from Sat on(but obviously I had my fall). He is a good horse and perfect on the ground but is NOT a novice ride... This last fall whether it be a bolt or them tanking off we'll agree to disagree on... If you say them jumping etc wasnt true bolting then fine he has never bolted and hasnt tanked off for months til this time
 
SarahRicoh said:
Hollieb- I do not need to tell u who I had legal problems with as they are sorted now. Okay so if I go with all of you he's either tanking off or he needs shooting.. I have made progress with him and I cananot accept you all saying he needs to be pts. He doesnt. No horse is perfect. Him being perfect 99% of the time hasnt seemed to register with you.. I came on here for advice not to get attacked
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I know I said I would leave this thread. But just wanted to reply to this.

I personally don't think your Horse needs shooting, I think you still don't quite understand the difference between a tank and a bolt. Your Horse is a tanker. It can be sorted with the correct schooling. By your own admission you can't school to a high enough standerd to break this habit (this is not a dig at you, I wouldn't be able too either) if you sell on, you will need to write that the Horse is a tanker. It does mean his value will go down, ALOT! So you wouldn't be getting the £500 you need for another. You are correct in saying that no Horse is 100% perfect, they all have their own quirks, wether it be ground or ridden. However your Horse is not 99% perfect as he is a renound tanker. He was sold to you as this and has continued to tank whilst you have had him. This is not 99% perfect. Infact due to the ammount of Horses being sold that do not tank, I would say his chances off finding the perfect home are pretty slim.
 
I think you need to remember if you are considering selling/loaning a pony of that size, especially a jumper, it will more than likely be for a child. If its bolted, then its a bolter or at least it is known to have bolted which interested parties would need to be aware of xx
 
Tank....unable to stop due to horses strength and riders lack of experience.
Bolt.......takes off blind, has no idea what is around it, and will run into anything in its path as the preservation switch is firmly off. Point a bolter at a 10ft wall and you WILL hit it at full speed. NOTHING will stop a true bolter
 
A tanker, I would say, has no or little brakes but you still have control of (ie tanks when asked for a gallop but can steer) , a bolter is one that goes of its own accord, not asked & rider has no control whatsoever. (If that makes sense?!)
 
The simple answer would be stop buying horses that have problems, you had one that was sold as a bolter so you went and bought one that rears, just does not make sense to do this how are you going to re home them anyone would run a mile why didnt you!!
 
Sorry if I missed this, but what were you doing when he 'bolted'? Walking, cantering etc? Although if you had no control I would still say he bolted.

We used to own a tanker who, when asked for canter, had no brakes. Turning in a small circle stopped her. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to do this with a bolter
 
SarahRicoh said:
See this is where I get confused.. He went and I couldnt steer or stop so surely that not tanking... He came to me in a tom thumb bit
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It depends whether you couldn't stop or steer because you didn't have control and he wasn't listening to you, or because he was blindly running.

A horse that tanks is self aware - it has control of itself and will steer itself around obstacles. If it was facing a 10ft wall it would stop or turn to avoid it.

A bolter is not self aware - it is blindly running without any heed as to where it is going or what is in its path.
 
SarahRicoh said:
Someone define tank and bolt to me as I honestly wouldnt use 'tank' as you lot have
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I will give you 2 examples of my ridden experinces. One is a tanker and one is a bolter. Hopefully you will see a big difference.

Horse one:

Pretty little welshx. Very forward and strong. Trying her out for share. Hacked her round the XC course with another Horse and rider. Trotted and cantered. Found her very strong. Had another canter torwards home, she shied at something and off she went. I was not experienced enough to stop her (although I gave it a good go!) She took me back to her stable. We come across a number of obsticles along the way, all of which she went around, some she slowed down for to get us around it. She as clearly thinking of her saftey and didn't want to fall down. So whilst going at speed, she got us back safetly.

Horse two:

Trying a Horse out for share. Went on a hack. Horse was absolutly fine one minute and the next he was wound up. He took off with me. I had had alot more lessons since Horse 1, so felt I was more experiened. I tried everything. Stroking neck, one rein stop, sitting deep and leaning back etc and nothing. He was going down a road, but luckily we come accross no cars. We then came near a buidling that had a pile of stones next to it, Horse run into it and lost his balance and fell. My leg went through a concrete pipe that was on the corner of the buidling. My other foot was wedged in the stirrup. He got back up and took off again. Because of my wedged foot, I was stuck on him. He was now heading for a steep downhill track that leads onto a national road. I was just about to bail out as I knew he would kill us both. He had lost his mind and didn't care what was in the way. He tripped again and whilst his head was down, I hooked my finger in his bit ring and yanked. He went into the indoor stabling barn and I managed to get off, without hurting myself. The owner let someone else on him and he did the same. He also ended up breaking is owners back. He was shot.

I hope you can now see what the difference is. Whilst the first was scary, I got on with it. The second incident still gets to me. As well as having a scar down my leg. It shatterd my confidence. It took 2 years to be able to walk in front of another Horse. Luckily I have found a Horse that has put up with me.
 
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