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Is it fox red? I've noticed that they have suddenly gained HUGE amounts of popularity but I've yet to meet one I like, there's something about them and I find them very different to say a chocolate lab (of which I have never met one I didn't like).
 

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Is it fox red? I've noticed that they have suddenly gained HUGE amounts of popularity but I've yet to meet one I like, there's something about them and I find them very different to say a chocolate lab (of which I have never met one I didn't like).
It's different experiences isn't it? My friend has a wonderful fox red lab, but the ones that attacked my mal were both chocolate, as was the one that bit my friends daughters face
 

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Is it fox red? I've noticed that they have suddenly gained HUGE amounts of popularity but I've yet to meet one I like, there's something about them and I find them very different to say a chocolate lab (of which I have never met one I didn't like).
Whereas my experience is that brown ones have been mainly bred for colour, regardless of health or temperament. We are on our 3rd brown Lab now, we rehomed her aged 5 months because the owner couldn't cope with her. There were contributory changed circumstances in the family too and owner was keeping the 11 month old yellow dog that she also had. But she was right, ours is very excitable and highly strung. Of the other 2, one was epileptic, although she lived to within a couple of months of her 15th birthday and the other was pts aged 18 months with lymphoma.
There are 2 other brown ones in our neighbourhood, one has had multiple health problems but is very nice natured while the other has a very dodgy temperament, nit helped by an incompetent owner.

Our current 'fox-red' is one of the softest most delightful dogs, I've ever met.
 

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Is it fox red? I've noticed that they have suddenly gained HUGE amounts of popularity but I've yet to meet one I like, there's something about them and I find them very different to say a chocolate lab (of which I have never met one I didn't like).
Yes he is a fox red.

We have a fox red and I can honestly say she is pretty much perfect. Beautiful look, beautiful temperament,. She is a working gun dog ( but mainly a pet) . I would absolutely trust her with anyone. Now my parsons.....!
 

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This is so very sad for the dog isnt it, above all else. Just goes to show though that any dog has the potential to cause harm. I grew up with labs and i always remember our first one, he was from the Sandylands line. He bit my mum, my brother and an uncle but never my dad or me. He had a very dubious temperament but in those days if you got bitten it was always your own fault and we would never have parted with him. I have known other labs who I wouldnt trust to have the amenable nature they are supposed to have and theyre not a breed I would favour as a pet. Each to their own and I hope above all else that someone does the right thing by him :(
 

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I agree with you all. Friend expected too much too soon. If dog hadn't of turned on him I think he would have then stepped back and let him be for a while.

Now he'll never know if things would have worked out better if he'd just stepped back on day one and left the dog alone for a while.

There's a lot of talk of 'turning' nasty and 'turning' on him when he had a video of the dog venting on the owner and was told verbally that it was putting teeth on but chose to go ahead anyway and is now surprised he was bitten. This sounds like a dog who has probably been trying to tell people he is not happy for a long time.

Being a lifelong dog owner is great, but it doesn't equip everyone to be able to 'fix' dogs that have issues. To properly understand dog behaviour and to be able to truly help those dogs who need it, people need to observe loads of different dogs, and not just the ones who live in their house with them. I encourage everyone to do it.
 

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Being a lifelong dog owner is great, but it doesn't equip everyone to be able to 'fix' dogs that have issues. To properly understand dog behaviour and to be able to truly help those dogs who need it, people need to observe loads of different dogs, and not just the ones who live in their house with them. I encourage everyone to do it.

Let's face it, some people don't understand the dog that lives in the house with them.

And don't get me started about the people who say 'I've owned dogs all my life' and it's clear in all that time they've learnt nothing.
 

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It was a lab that half killed my whippet. 6 months later he's still having physio and osteo and doing remedial exercises to fix the damage the damn thing did. It was enormous with a big block head and if I hadn't beaten it and jabbed my fingers in its eyes, and tried to rip its vile fat head off while booting the hell out of it, it would have killed him. It was ragging him like doll. I was very, very lucky it didn't redirect onto me looking back. It meant business and just came charging round a bend and went for him, luckily he was by my side, so I was there to get it off. Its done it to other dogs. And anecdotally there's a breeder in the Oxford area, churning out these big labs with awful temperaments. Not all labs are nice characters, some seem to be flawed.
I’ve said it before, but the worst most aggressive dog I ever met was a lab. I told the owner if it ever came near mine again, I’d report her to everyone I could, it was seriously horrible, massive show type. Saying that, the other aggressive dog at the time was a springer, both used to go straight for Jake, one of our first springers.

I know there have been discussions on here re registered labs being numerically huge in the UK, so possibly linked to bite incidents.
Is it fox red? I've noticed that they have suddenly gained HUGE amounts of popularity but I've yet to meet one I like, there's something about them and I find them very different to say a chocolate lab (of which I have never met one I didn't like).
As @Pearlsasinger says, the chocolate became very popular because of the colour with little regard to temperament, there was a big deal made on petforums with a breeder aiming for chocolate puppies but she’d gone above and beyond with choosing parents for temperament and health tests. Caveat: I know colour shouldn’t be the issue but people definitely have preferences. My bil was looking for a b/w springer recently. Pointless directing him to a l/w litter.
 

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Being a lifelong dog owner is great, but it doesn't equip everyone to be able to 'fix' dogs that have issues. To properly understand dog behaviour and to be able to truly help those dogs who need it, people need to observe loads of different dogs, and not just the ones who live in their house with them. I encourage everyone to do it.
When I first got Monster, my first dog as an adult, I really struggled to read him. Nearly five years down the line, I can read him a lot better (thankfully!). I find the sheer variety of dogs can make understanding them more difficult than say horses, that have pretty much the same morphology and heads from shetlands to shires. Dogs now can have such extreme morphology that they can be hard to read even by other dogs (Monster can't seem to wrap his head around french bulldogs for example). Dogs come with tails, without tails, curly tails, straight tails, pointy ears, folded ears, floppy ears, bug eyes, squished noses, wrinkles, extremely tight skin, lots of fur, very little fur, no fur, long dogs, short dogs... I think a lifetime of continuous observing is probably necessary (fro myself, I'm slowly working on it)
 

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This is so very sad for the dog isnt it, above all else. Just goes to show though that any dog has the potential to cause harm. I grew up with labs and i always remember our first one, he was from the Sandylands line. He bit my mum, my brother and an uncle but never my dad or me. He had a very dubious temperament but in those days if you got bitten it was always your own fault and we would never have parted with him. I have known other labs who I wouldnt trust to have the amenable nature they are supposed to have and theyre not a breed I would favour as a pet. Each to their own and I hope above all else that someone does the right thing by him :(
The 1st pair of litter sisters we had were Sandylands line, the best temperaments ever! We have never had one with a dodgy temperament but I do know of some that have.
There is a brown one locally that is a damned nuisance. I have predicted that though from seeing the way it ruled the roost from the day it was able to go out and about, so about 3 months old. It is now a large adult, which has to be walked by the male owner as his female partner can't hold it.
 

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Fox Red coloured Labradors have shot up in popularity over the last couple of years in my area. I don’t know if they are all from a similar bloodline but many seem nervy and windy, not the friendly, confident temperament you used to expect from the breed.
 

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Fox reds are often on keepers lines in their breeding , fast sharp and agile they are bred to be busy .
Red labradors have been around a far while my Dad had one who was born in the fifties she’s the first dog I remember .
We then had one arrive in a litter that was expected to be all yellow .
My dogs red hes got great working / field trails breeding, he’s very charming very soft super eager to please and quick .
I do think you see more hyper badly behaved red dogs than average .
There are definitely colour traits in labs .
 

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RE colour traits, I think all the unpleasant, aggressive Labs I have met have been black, although have known quite a few nice ones of that colour.

Can't think I have met any other colour that has been iffy.
 

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Fox reds are often on keepers lines in their breeding , fast sharp and agile they are bred to be busy .
Red labradors have been around a far while my Dad had one who was born in the fifties she’s the first dog I remember .
We then had one arrive in a litter that was expected to be all yellow .
My dogs red hes got great working / field trails breeding, he’s very charming very soft super eager to please and quick .
I do think you see more hyper badly behaved red dogs than average .
There are definitely colour traits in labs .
My parents first Lab was a farm-bred fox-red dog. They chose him from 22 pups, 2 litter sisters each had a litter of 11 pups to the same sire. He was a fabulous family dog, endlessly patient with his children and protective without being aggressive.
We have had some lovely black Labs too.
 

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All young dogs and bitches for that matter need the right start
It’s so sad that dogs enter a sort of lottery as puppies so win, some lose, some muddle through.
I am sure the man who took on that dog had the right intentions but he overwhelmed the dog and set him up to fail again.
Poor boy a breed specific rescue is the best place for him .
 
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