Saddle fitting nightmare.....any ideas/opinions welcome

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I am seriously fed and think we may have to sell our beloved Oliver a year earlier than we wanted to.
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I knew his old Fieldhouse Generation Pony saddle was on the wide side for him, since we dieted him. (Right now a fat pony sounds a damn good idea as it fitted him, with the help of a prolite pad before he lost all that weight)

Have had the saddlers out today and he has gone from a wide fitting (which his saddle is) to a medium!

As he's now matured, and has a nice set of withers, the old saddle is simply too straight in the tree as well as too wide to fit him properly and she said it is now a horrendous fit on him, which will eventually cause issues. Although they've never adjusted the flocking since we bought it new, it would seem nothing flocking wise can help to make it fit temporary (with the help of prolite) and we now need a new saddle.

Ok.....we'll have a new saddle. Simple? Not so apparently!

Basically, in all of the saddles they have that are best designed to fit Oliver he needs a 15" seat in. Hannah needs a 16" ideally. (Although the Fieldhouse he has, and they fitted, is a 16")

The only ones that she said would fit him were a Wintec and a Bates (so very similar). The 15" new style Wintec was the best fit on him, and indeed she's convinced me to have it on trial, but I really and truly think it does nothing for Hannah.

It's like my old Saddle Co saddle. It's too deep in the seat, due to the tree shape and high cantle, and when I started to put the fence height up it was throwing her out of the saddle and smacking her up the backside. I put the fence up to 2ft 3 and hung some tyres over the pole to get him really looking at it. He threw in a big leap and she was well and truly shafted in the bum with the cantle which launched her forwards.

She said it's the best they can do....without spending £1500 on a flat seated jump saddle (and let's face it, for a pony you plan to sell next Summer who is probably worth less than that, it's a ridiculous amount to spend).

I am so torn. I know when we have a lesson in this one the instructor will hate it.....infact we've had a chat about it already. I just know it's not what we want for her to be jump out of, even though I will agree it does fit him better than his old Fieldhouse saddle.

Saddler is also going to price up some jump saddles as that's the only other option, but has again said we'll struggle as most start at 16". She thinks she has a Prestige pony jump saddle in 16" and believes it's worth trying on him should we not like the Wintec, but debates whether it will fit length wise.

She also said that we have the worse three factors combined here.

1) Pony is ultra compact
2) Child is growing by the minute
3) Child wants to jump biggish fences.

How can it be so difficult? Hannah is nowhere near hopelessly outgrown on him. She fits him ok now, but if she grows next year the same as this she will be rather tall on him. Kids at PC are ridiculously big on some of their ponies and yet they can get fitted.

What would you do? Are there any cheaper answers to this? Help.....I feel like crying!
 
Do you have a good local saddler that deals in good second hand saddles and see if they have a flatter seated saddle, maybe even another fieldhouse in a different fitting to the one you ahve if that suits them both in other ways. Big problem with saddles 16" and under is that very few are made as specialist jumping/flatter seated saddles the majority are made as Gps whereas you need something with a flatter seat and a more forward flap to accomodate jockey. Try as many different ones as possible you should be able to find something good secondhand especially at this time of year. Good luck
 
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How old and what size is your daughter?

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Daughter is 11 (12 in December) and 4ft 8. Pony is a 13.1 WHP type...as seen in my signature.
 
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I would try another saddler....

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What about another saddle fitter that says they can re-tree a saddle?
 
Can she ride bareback
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Or...try a straighter cut saddle like a VSD or working hunter (if she has a good enough position) then she might be able to get away with a smaller seat for a while longer??
 
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It's like my old Saddle Co saddle. It's too deep in the seat, due to the tree shape and high cantle, and when I started to put the fence height up it was throwing her out of the saddle and smacking her up the backside. I put the fence up to 2ft 3 and hung some tyres over the pole to get him really looking at it. He threw in a big leap and she was well and truly shafted in the bum with the cantle which launched her forwards.

She said it's the best they can do....without spending £1500 on a flat seated jump saddle

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This is the big problem with Wintecs, and it is most certainly NOT fitting your poor horse. Quite honestly, if this is the best they can do then you need to find another saddle fitter.
What other make saddles has saddle fitter considered/tried?

Apologies for the rather harsh reply.
 
Are you agreeing it's the best they can do and I should spend £1500? Not sure I get what you mean by just quoting me.
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If the wintec fits him, has the saddler tried the close contact Pro jumping saddle? I have one and it definately has a flat seat... I am presuming the one you have at the moment is one of the VS ones? ... otherwise, as the others have suggested, try a different saddler
 
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Sorry, somehow misquoted and had to go back to edit
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LOL. I'm glad it's not just me who does things like that.
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The Wintec did sit nicely on him, but if my daughter is going to land on the cantle over fences, surely that's not good for him either?

Hannah didn't like it. She has just said she doesn't like the new saddle...but it was the best of the ones they put on him. Why didn't she just say "Mum I don't like any of them!"

Gah!
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I'm going to take it back tomorrow and get a refund, as per the 7 day money back guarantee.

Saddler tried old/new style Wintec, and Bates. That was all but she hadn't brought many with her as she thought it was just a check. She's going to research some jumping saddles but thinks we will struggle to find one in a 15" with a curved style tree as they just don't make any.
 
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If the wintec fits him, has the saddler tried the close contact Pro jumping saddle? I have one and it definately has a flat seat... I am presuming the one you have at the moment is one of the VS ones? ... otherwise, as the others have suggested, try a different saddler

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It's the Wintec (new style just launched) GP with cair.

Sits quite perched and high at the cantle. Saddler felt the jumping one might be too forward cut for Oliver.
 
try another saddler, definitely. where in the country are you, roughly?
i'm pretty sure that certain saddles can be made that are longer in the seat than in the panels. there are millions of 2nd hand saddles out there, i find it v hard to believe there isn't one that will fit your pony and your daughter!
 
I had exactly the same issues with my lad, absolute nightmare. Also has a saddle co saddle which we both loved and was made to measure but after 3 years and a set of shoulders and withers that came from nowhere and major weight loss, it was just no good, even after re-flocking and a brand new tree and a load of physio. So I now have a kent and masters, adjustable gullet. Its brill, had it properly fitted by qualified maters saddler, and me and horse are very happy. I would try a different saddler, there's got to be something out there, i do think the thoroghgood saddles fit better. Good luck!
 
Sorry - but I don't like the Wintecs (mostly, although some are OK).
I find they fit very few rounder types and have a tendency to go forward, roll, tip and generally move around -due to the fact they are only really adjustable at the front (where the gullet thingy is) and nowhere else.
I'd be tempted to try a different saddler and some WH saddle or VSDs.
And - you can get an Ideal MTM saddle (they do several WH / straighter cut designs) for less than £1500.....considerably less in fact. Like around £700 maximum and don't let anyone tell you different!!
 
Small ponies are always hell to fit! We have a great saddler now, who managed to fit a few of the small ponies but we still have one that is going to have to have one made to fit her, she like your pony needs a slightly longer seat, if not seriously wide and does jump and needs something more secure for the rider. Have you tried the Throwgood saddles, I much prefer them to Wintecs, they also do the T4 Pony Club range which seem to fit smaller ponies really well and also are well cut for child riders, worth a try?
 
just noticed that saddles direct have a dinky pessoa jumping with a flattish seat not too forward cut which may be wrth a try, they ship 2nd hand saddles out to you, up to 3 at a time and are very helpful, could be worth a go.
 
Your saddler really has given you no choice, basically Wintec or Wintec(Bates). The problem you have described is typical of Wintecs and will be banging on the horses back as well as your daughters bum! Fylde do a lot of pony saddles and they are really good, if you can find one, maybe look at some native pony forum boards?
 
If a 15" wintec pony saddle fitted him then a 16" thorowgood saddle will fit, length wise. Promise!

I've just spent the last week playing with short little saddles, trying to get one for little pony who has a similar problem - short little back, bigger rider. The wintec 15" pony saddle has panels the equivilent length of a 16" thorowgood! I measured them! For some reason they've extended the panels a good inch or so out past the back of the seat so they've got a tiny seat and really long panels.

Try a thorowgood saddle. The design is better and the panels are MUCH shorter, so she could have a 'bigger' saddle. The tree may be a little flat but if it's only a little then that can be sorted with flocking.
 
Find a more knowledgeable saddler who will visit bringing umpteen saddles and let Hannah ride in lots until she finds one she likes and fits both of them.
Many of the WH ones might fit and are supposed to be fine to jump in.
I bought my original dressage saddlery from Crew Saddlery, are they still around?
Definitely don't sell the pony just yet, you may well have exactly the same problems with a bigger pony you had with this one to start with, I'd wait until next spring if she's grown a lot, at least fitting him means you can go hunting together and she will be in charge... (plus he's a fabulous pony, and I reckon she should do some M and M workers on him, he looks County Standard to me! Isn't he registered?)
 
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Find a more knowledgeable saddler who will visit bringing umpteen saddles and let Hannah ride in lots until she finds one she likes and fits both of them.
Many of the WH ones might fit and are supposed to be fine to jump in.
I bought my original dressage saddlery from Crew Saddlery, are they still around?
Definitely don't sell the pony just yet, you may well have exactly the same problems with a bigger pony you had with this one to start with, I'd wait until next spring if she's grown a lot, at least fitting him means you can go hunting together and she will be in charge... (plus he's a fabulous pony, and I reckon she should do some M and M workers on him, he looks County Standard to me! Isn't he registered?)

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County Standard....seriously?

I was going to get her doing some local shows, in the hope he might get a few ribbons.
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He's not registered, so we'd have to go in open Workers or Show Hunter classes. (God damn I'm no good at plaiting!)

Hannah wants to jump him next year, in both SJ and WHP classes. She'd also like to do a couple of hunter trials and maybe even some of the PC Eventing classes.

He was born to jump, yet he will work equally as well on the flat. A true allrounder. Fab to hack out too....not bothered by even the heaviest of traffic.

I will pm you on FB over the saddle fitting.
 
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