Saddles, fitting, treeless and WWYD? Pics!

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Right. My apologies for all the questions lately, but I'm after some advice. I'll keep it short!

Bottom line question: If your horse starts bucking in a new saddle, but is riding better overall, would you be concerned, or would you put it down to other factors?

Back story: Coblet was fitted up for a Thorowgood T4 cob saddle in April. Looking back, I'm not convinced it was fitted correctly as we ended up widening it from a M to an XW around 4mths later. It was still unbalanced, he has slight muscle wastage behind his shoulders and I'm aware it doesn't fit right now. I've full on slapped myself on the wrist for it, but just goes to show you shouldn't always trust a saddler's judgement. You live and learn, I guess.

Anyway, this week we had a Solution Saddle rep come out to us, and we've taken a Smart Native GP on trial. It's shimmed at the front due to pone being slightly downhill, but it's a beautiful saddle and I'll admit I've fallen in love with it. However, my issue is how my boy rides in it. He's fine in walk, but once we get to trot or canter he keeps bunny hopping, tanking off, or missing out trot completely and hooneying round in extended canter - a couple of nights ago we had full on bucking along with being out of control. This is out of character for him riddenwise, however he has had a big routine change this week having changed to his winter field with plenty of grass, along with being stabled overnight for the first time.

Now, the behaviour change sounds bad, but when you consider the fact that our trot has gone from this:

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to this (low head in trot is unheard of for him!):

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And our canter has gone from this:

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to this:

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I'm a little confused? Would you put it down to routine, or objecting to the saddle? Is he maybe reacting to the freedom a treeless gives him or the fact he's starting to stretch down and use muscles he doesn't usually? Opinions?
 
I would probably be suspicious of the addle but then I dont understand the need to add shims or pads - if a saddle fits properly it shouldnt need those but thats my own personal feelings...

I am sure I will get shot down in flames by some for that though!
 
Have you spoken to the advisor about it?

Personally I think he looks 100 times better in the solutions but it's a lot of money and if you have doubt then is it worth it? How long have you got it on trial for?

Something tells me he might just be enjoying the freedom, could you perhaps video next time you ride?
 
Why not trial a few more unconventional and traditional saddles before you make your mind up? Get demos of different types of saddle and see how he reacts to them.
 
I dont understand the need to add shims or pads - if a saddle fits properly it shouldnt need those but thats my own personal feelings...

The Smart is treeless, so the shims don't affect the saddle fit. The only reason for them is to balance the seat up a little as he's still built a bit downhill (he's 5, hoping he might come up a little more!).

Have you spoken to the advisor about it?

Personally I think he looks 100 times better in the solutions but it's a lot of money and if you have doubt then is it worth it? How long have you got it on trial for?

Something tells me he might just be enjoying the freedom, could you perhaps video next time you ride?

I haven't yet, she saw the bucks during the consultation and commented that it was probably a "wow, I can move!". We've got it on trial until the 15th Nov so still plenty of time to play about with it. I got someone to video him yesterday while I rode, he looks pretty good bar the slight lack of control(!), and it's the first time I've ever known him offer to bring his head down... he usually resembles a small, rather fat giraffe.

Why not trial a few more unconventional and traditional saddles before you make your mind up? Get demos of different types of saddle and see how he reacts to them.

Because the trials themselves are expensive! We've tried a HM Fhoenix (great for him, not so much for me and not very stable) along with a couple of other treed saddles. He doesn't massively object to whatever I put on him, but his back has suffered from poor fitting and I'd rather go down the treeless route.

I don't know much about saddles but does he just have big shoulders? You could try straighter cut traditional saddles :-)

He does have big shoulders, but the Smart doesn't have any rigid parts. I rode him in a Solution Freestyle Dressage saddle during the consulation aswell - the behaviour was the same.
 
Any chance you can put him back in old field for a couple of days and night before you have to end the trial of the saddle?

What does he do if ridden in old saddle first?

I'd be really tempted to ride him bareback as well and see what he is like but please don't if you will fall off and want to sue me :o

Does he stop hooning around or does he do it the whole time in that saddle?

Lunge him first to take the hoon out then try?
 
Just a thought having had a very bouncy ride on my big mare who has just started coming in for the night and having haylage. Are you feeding haylage? It is known to affect some horses when they first start having it but fortunately most soon settle down again when they get used to it.
 
Thanks for the replies, guys :) Unfortunately old field and out at night is off limits due to yard rules. He doesn't do it the entire time, he's fairly chilled at walk but goes a little of the rails when I ask him to step up a gear (i.e. - a collected trot!). He's being fed hay, no heating stuff at all. I'll try lunging him without a saddle and see what he's like over the next couple of days, but having put him back in his old saddle today and had the exact same behaviour, I'm tempted to say it's other factors that's causing him to be a bit of a prat! In fairness there are a few others on the yard who seem to have caught the bug aswell - bloody horses! :rolleyes:
 
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