Safety. Is this website talking sense?

EdTyndale said:
I am using EdTyndale as an alias because for some reason my Saddlechariot identity is blocked. I am Simon Mulholland, drunk or crazy according to you. Your various answers support my case that the equestrian industry doesn't understand the first thing about Health and Safety, or care.
I find it depressing that the only basis on which anyone can judge the "experience" from a single photo is colour........
To make judgements about people's abilities on the basis of their colour is prejudice. I find it disgusting. I will not tolerate my friends being attacked on the basis of race or ability/disability.
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I find your reply INCREDIBLY offensive.

NO ONE here has mentioned colour - only you.
People have commented on the texting, walking behind the pony, not paying attention etc.
The fact that you have decided to make this about colour is disgusting.

Your whole attitude stinks. I would think that THAT is probably the major factor in your not being taken seriously, rather than everyone who disagrees with you being wrong, and only you being right.

DISGUSTING to make the accusations that you have. Disgusting.
 
EdTyndale said:
I am using EdTyndale as an alias because for some reason my Saddlechariot identity is blocked. I am Simon Mulholland, drunk or crazy according to you. Your various answers support my case that the equestrian industry doesn't understand the first thing about Health and Safety, or care.
I find it depressing that the only basis on which anyone can judge the "experience" from a single photo is colour. The photo wasn't taken on a road, and that fact would be obvious to anyone who looked. The kids lack experience because the equestrian industry does the minimum to be inclusive. I was told by a very grand lady that "coloured people don't like ponies" and when I looked surprised, she said, "I know what I am talking about, I go to lots of horse shows and I never see coloured people there."
Those children were concentrating, the boy is looking back to see the pony is comfortable. Yes some are texting. Have you never seen anyone at a horse yard texting?
I had risk assessed the pony for doing things like this while driving him from Brecon to Birmingham in a Saddlechariot so I was reasonably confident of his nature. In all that time driving him in that "headcollar" or halter, it had never fallen off.
And if it did fall off, what would he do, amble over to some kid for a scratch.
You may need protection from your properly trained ponies. Obama, as long as nobody takes a whip anywhere near him, and nobody tries to ride him, is a sweetie. It is a shame that somebody made him so terrified of whips and riders.
To make judgements about people's abilities on the basis of their colour is prejudice. I find it disgusting. I will not tolerate my friends being attacked on the basis of race or ability/disability.
Will you please have the decency to restrict your personal attacks to me.
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Seeing as it was me who commented on the photo (and you appear to back up my impression that the children are inexperienced) - I can only think that your insinuation that my impression of inexperience was based on colour prejudice. Would you care to point out where in my post (and others) racial prejudice was documented.
I find your post deeply offensive - not just your wild accusations of racism, but your inference that horse people as a whole are incapable of employing common sense when it comes to safety. As I suspected, you are the man behind the company, so your original post is merely a shameless attempt to gain publicity for your product. Attacking the very people who you are trying to market to is utterly ridiculous. You might do well to stop posting on forums which you have obviously been banned from in the past, and use the time you save in working out how to market your product properly without resorting to practices which are contrary to the terms and conditions of this site, or publishing posts which are at best patronising, and worst, deeply offensive.
I explained my reasoning behind my statement that there were multiple health and safety issue in the photo - and not once did I make a racist comment. That's because, surprise surprise - I am not in the habit of judging people by their race/colour. How DARE you suggest that that is the case.
 
Oh and FYI as an RDA instructor and with connections in the carriage driving world I would be the kind of person I'd think you'd want on side.

But calling me a racist would kind of put me off helping I'm any way, shape or form.

Unsurprisingly.

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FinnishLapphund said:
*sends a spare tinfoil hat to Booboos*
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:confused3: Why?
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I love it! Hope you have a few more handy, I guess a few more people on the thread might want to wear one now that the risk of posting on this thread has become apparent!
 
Auslander said:
The kids with the pony. They are on a public road, by the looks of things.
No adult within grabbing distance,
Inexperienced kids
No hats
No gloves
Kids milling around the ponies back end within kicking distance
One texting rather than paying attention
Headcollar loose enough to pull over its eye, therefore loose enough to come off!
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Another one is the kid with the earphones thing around her neck and it would have a trailing wire somewhere around most likely.

If this guy is serious about H&S, then he needs to raise his game considerably. Currently the "publicity" he's put on his website doesn't exactly inspire one to take up what he's offering!!

Whatta jerk.

And, um, I didn't read much of what was on the website, but what qualifications has he got within the equine industry? i.e. BHS? I can't see anyone suitably qualified would put up drivel like that TBH.
 
EdTyndale said:
I am using EdTyndale as an alias because for some reason my Saddlechariot identity is blocked. I am Simon Mulholland, drunk or crazy according to you. Your various answers support my case that the equestrian industry doesn't understand the first thing about Health and Safety, or care.
I find it depressing that the only basis on which anyone can judge the "experience" from a single photo is colour. The photo wasn't taken on a road, and that fact would be obvious to anyone who looked. The kids lack experience because the equestrian industry does the minimum to be inclusive. I was told by a very grand lady that "coloured people don't like ponies" and when I looked surprised, she said, "I know what I am talking about, I go to lots of horse shows and I never see coloured people there."
Those children were concentrating, the boy is looking back to see the pony is comfortable. Yes some are texting. Have you never seen anyone at a horse yard texting?
I had risk assessed the pony for doing things like this while driving him from Brecon to Birmingham in a Saddlechariot so I was reasonably confident of his nature. In all that time driving him in that "headcollar" or halter, it had never fallen off.
And if it did fall off, what would he do, amble over to some kid for a scratch.
You may need protection from your properly trained ponies. Obama, as long as nobody takes a whip anywhere near him, and nobody tries to ride him, is a sweetie. It is a shame that somebody made him so terrified of whips and riders.
To make judgements about people's abilities on the basis of their colour is prejudice. I find it disgusting. I will not tolerate my friends being attacked on the basis of race or ability/disability.
Will you please have the decency to restrict your personal attacks to me.
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I'm sorry, but now you've really lost me. Who on this thread, except yourself, have said anything about the children's colour? :confused3:
Who on this thread have made "judgements about people's abilities on the basis of their colour" or verbally "attacked anyone on the basis of race or ability/disability? Personally, when I said that I think that the children look inexperienced around ponies, it has nothing to do with their race, it only had to do with the basic things I've mentioned in reply 20. And if you think that what someone have said in this thread, previous to your reply that I've quoted, is a verbal attack on anything/anyone, I must say that you obviously interpret what you read, in a very different way than I do.

I'm sure that the pony is a sweetie, but most ponies that I've met in real life, has also often been sweethearts. It does not change that they still could bite or kick in an unfortunate situation, their temperament can only affect the likelihood that they would do such a thing, it can only make them more or less likely to react in a such way, it does not make them incapable of biting or kicking.
 
FinnishLapphund said:
*sends a spare tinfoil hat to Booboos*
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:confused3: Why?
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Booboos said:
I love it! Hope you have a few more handy, I guess a few more people on the thread might want to wear one now that the risk of posting on this thread has become apparent!
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Hm, let me see if I can find any more...

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Auslander said:
Seems that the verbose Mr Mulholland has run out of words...he's watching this thread, but not responding to any of the backlash. Funny that...
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He seems to be of the view that anyone who disagrees with him, or has a slightly differing view is WRONG and a RACIST :rolleyes3:

Handy way to soothe your own ego I suppose, if nothing else.....
 
Well if he was looking for a reaction he sure got one.
You are posting on an Internet forum using aliases, it's not raining (here). Horses to play with .
I'm constantly amazed at this sort of reaction, I must be missing something .
 
teabiscuit said:
Well if he was looking for a reaction he sure got one.
You are posting on an Internet forum using aliases, it's not raining (here). Horses to play with .
I'm constantly amazed at this sort of reaction, I must be missing something .
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You'd be happy to sit back and let someone accuse you of racism, would you?
I did my horses at 7am - so I have all the time in the world to discuss Mr Mulhollands opinions with him. Sadly it appears that he's a monologue man, not a conversationalist.
 
EdTyndale said:
To make judgements about people's abilities on the basis of their colour is prejudice. I find it disgusting. I will not tolerate my friends being attacked on the basis of race or ability/disability.
Will you please have the decency to restrict your personal attacks to me.
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seriously, the saddle chariot is a great concept and you do some great work but of you can't see that unfounded rants like this one, do nothing for your cause then you are misguided at best. you hate the 'equestrian industry' so much that you are putting off those people that could actually help your products and your program-is the horse and pony owning public. you don't win public opinion over by going on to one of the largest equestrian forums and picking fights that just aren't there. when you run a business, not everyone will like your product but do you really want to put people off of your product purely by your attitude?
 
If trailing wires and headphone thingies are so dangerous why don't I see a response on the Iphone bluetooth headset for riding topic on Horse and Hound. I am afraid every comment seems to be based on the idea that the group of kids in my photo can't be allowed to enjoy ponies but the activities you object to are perfectly OK of the people are Pony Club members.
I don't get much fun out of being attacked and since I cannot recall a single example in 13 years of the horse establishment being prepared to allow me to show what I can do, I don't expect much different now.
Your attitude to safety varies from we know everything to nothing helps. Neither of these approaches do any good and people continue to get maimed and killed, which is a subject you carefully avoid preferring to shoot the messenger. If you dislike what I have said about shoes so much, why not read my bit about whips
http://ponyaccess.com/safety-matters/cavalier-charge/
 
Why don't we all do our things and you do yours.
Accusing people of racism with no evidence is very nasty and not what we do on here.
Whatever point you are trying to make is completely drowned out by your attitude no ones interested if you behave like this .
 
No one mentioned colour until Ed , thus what is there to defend?
Ed if you're genuine please excuse me, but you could be anyone.
If someone wants to spoil a perfectly good Sunday getting upset over this, then I don't know why you would, I'm not going to.
That is all.
 
teabiscuit said:
No one mentioned colour until Ed , thus what is there to defend?
Ed if you're genuine please excuse me, but you could be anyone.
If someone wants to spoil a perfectly good Sunday getting upset over this, then I don't know why you would, I'm not going to.
That is all.
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I am not remotely upset It takes a lot to upset me.
 
EdTyndale said:
If trailing wires and headphone thingies are so dangerous why don't I see a response on the Iphone bluetooth headset for riding topic on Horse and Hound. I am afraid every comment seems to be based on the idea that the group of kids in my photo can't be allowed to enjoy ponies but the activities you object to are perfectly OK of the people are Pony Club members.
I don't get much fun out of being attacked and since I cannot recall a single example in 13 years of the horse establishment being prepared to allow me to show what I can do, I don't expect much different now.
Your attitude to safety varies from we know everything to nothing helps. Neither of these approaches do any good and people continue to get maimed and killed, which is a subject you carefully avoid preferring to shoot the messenger. If you dislike what I have said about shoes so much, why not read my bit about whips
http://ponyaccess.com/safety-matters/cavalier-charge/
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I wouldn't allow Pony Club members to handle a horse incorrectly/unsafely either - you just seem to be desperate to pin some sort of prejudice on the equestrian community, which only exists inside your head. By your actions on this post, you have trivialised your own product (which I'm sure is excellent, and will certainly be adopted if it fills a gap in the market, and is marketed correctly). No-one is interested in discussing it now, because you have angered them with your wild and unfounded allegations.
Perhaps you could stop drivelling on about how awful we all are, apologise for your allegations of racism, accept that you have made a rather large mistake in attacking the very community you wish to engage with - and then bog off back to the hole from whence you came - closing the door firmly as you leave. Thank you
 
Your attitude perfectly sums up 13 years I have spent trying to engage with the equestrian community. Now I am only interested in saving lives.
The head of Riding for the Disabled informed the head of another charity a couple of years back "that it is NOT UP TO HIM. He said what you know that ‘every single part of the horseworld’ is in agreement that they are not going to accept the vehicle. No reasons were given, but I think, that like me, you are very passionate about the IBEX and have definitely ruffled feathers."
Jackie Stewart said he regretted not ruffling more feathers. I am not going to have that regret am I?
 
EdTyndale said:
Your attitude perfectly sums up 13 years I have spent trying to engage with the equestrian community. Now I am only interested in saving lives.
The head of Riding for the Disabled informed the head of another charity a couple of years back "that it is NOT UP TO HIM. He said what you know that ‘every single part of the horseworld’ is in agreement that they are not going to accept the vehicle. No reasons were given, but I think, that like me, you are very passionate about the IBEX and have definitely ruffled feathers."
Jackie Stewart said he regretted not ruffling more feathers. I am not going to have that regret am I?
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Well it's not up to you is it ? it's up to all of us to do what we feel fit .
I resent you seem to think you have the right to judge me and my attitudes based on absolutely no evidence what so ever , other than the fact I not blindly agreed with you and said your marvellous you seem to think that we all know who you are and have some sort of conspiracy agaisnt your ideas, I have no idea who you are and after your posts on here very little interest in finding out.
 
EdTyndale said:
Your attitude perfectly sums up 13 years I have spent trying to engage with the equestrian community. Now I am only interested in saving lives.
The head of Riding for the Disabled informed the head of another charity a couple of years back "that it is NOT UP TO HIM. He said what you know that ‘every single part of the horseworld’ is in agreement that they are not going to accept the vehicle. No reasons were given, but I think, that like me, you are very passionate about the IBEX and have definitely ruffled feathers."
Jackie Stewart said he regretted not ruffling more feathers. I am not going to have that regret am I?
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What is wrong with my attitude? I am angry because you accused me of racism with no foundation for that allegation. Nowhere have I said that I am not committed to safe practices in horsemanship - in fact, I pointed out several things about your photo that would concern me if I were in charge of those children. If you go through life being nasty to people, you are never going to get people on side.
Ruffling feathers is fine - if it has the desired effect. Just being obnoxious serves no purpose -and that's all you are doing.

If you ahve spent 13 years trying and failing to engage with the equestrian community - maybe its time to look at why? Maybe you need to look closer to home when deciding who is at fault
 
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EdTyndale said:
I am using EdTyndale as an alias because for some reason my Saddlechariot identity is blocked. I am Simon Mulholland, drunk or crazy according to you. Your various answers support my case that the equestrian industry doesn't understand the first thing about Health and Safety, or care.
I find it depressing that the only basis on which anyone can judge the "experience" from a single photo is colour. The photo wasn't taken on a road, and that fact would be obvious to anyone who looked. The kids lack experience because the equestrian industry does the minimum to be inclusive. I was told by a very grand lady that "coloured people don't like ponies" and when I looked surprised, she said, "I know what I am talking about, I go to lots of horse shows and I never see coloured people there."
Those children were concentrating, the boy is looking back to see the pony is comfortable. Yes some are texting. Have you never seen anyone at a horse yard texting?
I had risk assessed the pony for doing things like this while driving him from Brecon to Birmingham in a Saddlechariot so I was reasonably confident of his nature. In all that time driving him in that "headcollar" or halter, it had never fallen off.
And if it did fall off, what would he do, amble over to some kid for a scratch.
You may need protection from your properly trained ponies. Obama, as long as nobody takes a whip anywhere near him, and nobody tries to ride him, is a sweetie. It is a shame that somebody made him so terrified of whips and riders.
To make judgements about people's abilities on the basis of their colour is prejudice. I find it disgusting. I will not tolerate my friends being attacked on the basis of race or ability/disability.
Will you please have the decency to restrict your personal attacks to me.
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Simon, I am another person who wanted to buy a Saddle Chariot a couple of years back. I thought the design was great. But I simply could not justify the cost. It was over £2,000 as I recall.

I think you need to look an awful lot further than equestrian prejudice for your failure to get your products accepted. Starting with how offensive your posts on this thread have been.
 
No foundation. You describe children as inexperienced on no evidence at all. I suggested racism as the reason because it looks the most likely explanation.
 
EdTyndale said:
No foundation. You describe children as inexperienced on no evidence at all. I suggested racism as the reason because it looks the most likely explanation.
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Oh for goodness sake - what a bizarre assumption to make. So I'm be racist because I pointed out that the kids inexperience showed in that photo? How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion.

I can see why no-one takes you seriously...
 
EdTyndale said:
It has never been £2000. £1500 including full collar harness and safety systems.
calling me drunk and crazy is all right is it?
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I will put my hands up and say it was me that thought you had been at the mulled wine it was intended to be humorous as I found the whole thing overstated and frankly silly.
I see now now it was not you take your self very seriously there is in my view a world do difference between a humorous reference to mulled wine at this time of year ( for which I am sorry) and accusing someone of racism will get you banned under your present user name should one of us chose to report you.
 
Goldenstar said:
I will put my hands up and say it was me that thought you had been at the mulled wine it was intended to be humorous as I found the whole thing overstated and frankly silly.
I see now now it was not you take your self very seriously there is in my view a world do difference between a humorous reference to mulled wine at this time of year ( for which I am sorry) and accusing someone of racism will get you banned under your present user name should one of us chose to report you.
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I am torn between wanting to report him, and waiting with great interest to see what comes next!
 
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