Safety. Is this website talking sense?

EdTyndale said:
If trailing wires and headphone thingies are so dangerous why don't I see a response on the Iphone bluetooth headset for riding topic on Horse and Hound. I am afraid every comment seems to be based on the idea that the group of kids in my photo can't be allowed to enjoy ponies but the activities you object to are perfectly OK of the people are Pony Club members.
I don't get much fun out of being attacked and since I cannot recall a single example in 13 years of the horse establishment being prepared to allow me to show what I can do, I don't expect much different now.
Your attitude to safety varies from we know everything to nothing helps. Neither of these approaches do any good and people continue to get maimed and killed, which is a subject you carefully avoid preferring to shoot the messenger. If you dislike what I have said about shoes so much, why not read my bit about whips
http://ponyaccess.com/safety-matters/cavalier-charge/
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EdTyndale said:
Your attitude perfectly sums up 13 years I have spent trying to engage with the equestrian community. Now I am only interested in saving lives.
The head of Riding for the Disabled informed the head of another charity a couple of years back "that it is NOT UP TO HIM. He said what you know that ‘every single part of the horseworld’ is in agreement that they are not going to accept the vehicle. No reasons were given, but I think, that like me, you are very passionate about the IBEX and have definitely ruffled feathers."
Jackie Stewart said he regretted not ruffling more feathers. I am not going to have that regret am I?
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EdTyndale said:
It has never been £2000. £1500 including full collar harness and safety systems.
calling me drunk and crazy is all right is it?
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EdTyndale said:
No foundation. You describe children as inexperienced on no evidence at all. I suggested racism as the reason because it looks the most likely explanation.
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Personally, I think that judging by your replies on this thread, and after reading a few pages on your site, I have a few ideas about why you're having trouble selling your safety system for carriages. Maybe it has something to do with that you make unrealistic claims about your safety system (e.g. 100% safety guarantee when horses are involved, sounds unrealistic to me, the same does saying that nobody would have been killed or injured if a horse had bolted through a crowd without a carriage), that you make untrue claims about that nobody cares about death and injuries on humans involved in traditional equestrian industry (nobody except yourself of course), not to mention your way of interpreting other people's perfectly normal comments as that they are based on racism.

I also find it somewhat strange that you seem to feel that we're attacking you in our replies (but that you insists on tarring us all as racists is perfectly acceptable?), and when you say that HHO:ers have an attitude varying from knowing everything to nothing helps, and that we carefully avoid answering certain subjects, then I have a feeling that you're talking more about yourself, rather than HHO:ers.

Goldenstar did say
Goldenstar said:
Think he's been on the mulled wine a bit early TBH .
Many industry's are inherently risky .
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And *hic* said
*hic* said:
Ah, Simon Mulholland. Simon is, put simply, a crazy inventor. He's very well meaning, he's got some good ideas but he doesn't seem to want to settle and get on with just one of them, managing to get himself involved in arguments instead.

He invented the Saddlechariot / Turfsurfer which ought really to have been something that everyone with youngsters of the human or equine variety should have heard of or used - so that mums could exercise small ponies and young horses could get out and about and gain valuable exercise with little strain on their young bodies. That seems to have died a death now, sadly.

If you read this Simon, sorry mate, you have some cracking ideas, you're a great bloke but you can be bloody infuriating.
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None of what they said, seems offensive to me. Goldenstar only used the word think, which to me is far from the same as saying that you're definitely drunk. And why does it matter more to you, that *hic* called you a crazy inventor, than that they also called you a great bloke, who is very well meaning and have some good ideas? When I read *hic*s reply, I didn't think that they used the term crazy inventor in a disparaging way, and if you equal this reply where you're being called a great bloke to a personal attack, I have to say that I'm disagreeing with your interpretation of the reply.
 
I've been on the forum too long :p (longer than this user name suggests!) - as soon as I read the OP I thought that is the person who wrote the article posting for promotional purposes :D The reason you are banned under your other user name Mr Mulholland is because you are not allowed to advertise on the forum :p

But thanks for giving some mild interest on a rainy Sunday afternoon - other than your ridiculous and offensive accusations of racism, which are inexcusable
 
I have come across Mr. Mulholland's saddle chariot concept before, and I'm prepared to admit was rather intrigued and interested by it. I thought one would make an excellent training vehicle for young horses and horses new to carriage driving if it was as stable and safe as the inventor claims.
I also liked the idea that it could be used as a hitch/forecart and for attaching trailers etc to.

However having followed this thread with interest, visited the inventor's website and read carefully Mr. Mulholland's comments and replies, I shall not be investing in a saddle chariot.
 
I first came across the saddle chariot a few years back and reviews from driving people were not favourable, in that it was thought to be very unsafe. So I was really surprised to read the garbled link droning on abour health and safety from the saddle chariot's inventor.

Am I the only person concerned to see the pictures of a small pony dragging a large lady on a buggy through the sea ?
 
Auslander said:
I am torn between wanting to report him, and waiting with great interest to see what comes next!
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Goldenstar said:
Great minds think alike or perhaps fools seldom differ I am not sure which .
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I hope nobody reports the thread. Personally, I'm not offended by that he thinks that I'm a racist, it doesn't really matter to me what he thinks about me. My impression of EdTyndale/Simon Mulholland is that he is a well-meaning, but somewhat huffy person, and I think that it would be good for anyone considering buying his safety system in the future, to be able to read this thread, and perhaps get a better idea about what person they're considering dealing with.
 
EdTyndale said:
No foundation. You describe children as inexperienced on no evidence at all. I suggested racism as the reason because it looks the most likely explanation.
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There was plenty of evidence, such as:

- standing near the back end not paying attention/texting
- not correcting the fit if the halter
- not wearing correct safety gear
Etc.

The fact that you chose to attribute it to racism because it suits your own ends (thinking the whole equine industry is bigoted and prejudiced) speaks volumes about your attitude.

You seem to think that 'ruffling feathers' in the equine industry (which you sound very proud of) means that you have a good point, or that you are really helping your cause. Ever thought that perhaps you're just being combative for the sake of it?

You could have the best product in the world, but from a few short posts on here I can totally see why you're not taken seriously.
It's because your attitude stinks, you alienate the very people you need on your side, and you can't accept any other views than your own.

You also make some pretty outlandish claims, like that you can remove ALL risk from driving. You CAN'T. No one can!
 
think I am right in saying, that the driving community disliked the saddle chariot due to there being no room for a groom. As such, it was deemed not suitable for road use. Simon thinks his quick release system negates the need for a groom.

I thought and think that the saddle chariot looks ace for off road use-for road use, junctions etc I would want a second person there (and I don't drive so no vested interest). Simon was using the unfortunate incident of the lady being killed in Suffolk-which as far as I know, wouldn't have been solved by a quick release as there was noone on board and the horse had been hitched and left unattended- it was also a green horse that arguably shouldn't have been used in the first place.
 
EdTyndale said:
It has never been £2000. £1500 including full collar harness and safety systems.
calling me drunk and crazy is all right is it?
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I haven't.

Rude and offensive, yes.

Drunk and crazy, no.

I apologise for mis remembering the price of the chariot as£2000 not £1500. I know I showed my husband the design and he bought all the materials to make it for a couple of hundred pounds. I sold the pony, so it never got made.
 
EdTyndale said:
No foundation. You describe children as inexperienced on no evidence at all. I suggested racism as the reason because it looks the most likely explanation.
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What a bizarre explanation. I saw all the safety problems in that picture and never noticed any of the kids aren't white.

You are living in cloud cuckoo land Simon. Your problems with the equestrian establishment seem to me to be very largely self generated.
 
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MotherOfChickens said:
Simon was using the unfortunate incident of the lady being killed in Suffolk-which as far as I know, wouldn't have been solved by a quick release as there was noone on board and the horse had been hitched and left unattended- it was also a green horse that arguably shouldn't have been used in the first place.
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The main cause of that unfortunate incident was that the bridle was removed from the horse whilst hitched. Any driver worth the name knows this breaks rule #1.
 
MotherOfChickens said:
think I am right in saying, that the driving community disliked the saddle chariot due to there being no room for a groom. As such, it was deemed not suitable for road use. Simon thinks his quick release system negates the need for a groom.

I thought and think that the saddle chariot looks ace for off road use-for road use, junctions etc I would want a second person there (and I don't drive so no vested interest). Simon was using the unfortunate incident of the lady being killed in Suffolk-which as far as I know, wouldn't have been solved by a quick release as there was noone on board and the horse had been hitched and left unattended- it was also a green horse that arguably shouldn't have been used in the first place.
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I've read that the instant release mechanism can be controlled by a remote control (http://ponyaccess.com/safety/legal-aid-urgently-needed/ scroll down to the video), but I still don't agree with him about that it equals a 100% guarantee that no humans would be killed or injured. I could perhaps agree about that it could make it less likely, but to take the accident that sadly killed Carole Bullett as an example, with or without a carriage, Lucas would still have bolted through a crowded place, and to collide with a bolting horse could kill or injure people.
 
SHCC said:
I have come across Mr. Mulholland's saddle chariot concept before, and I'm prepared to admit was rather intrigued and interested by it. I thought one would make an excellent training vehicle for young horses and horses new to carriage driving if it was as stable and safe as the inventor claims.
I also liked the idea that it could be used as a hitch/forecart and for attaching trailers etc to.

However having followed this thread with interest, visited the inventor's website and read carefully Mr. Mulholland's comments and replies, I shall not be investing in a saddle chariot.
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Mr. Mullholland. I am not going to engage in any debate about this, it would be a waste of my time given your appalling attitude, outlandish and highly offensive, unfounded allegations of racism.

The good thing is, I don't need to waste my time. The post I have quoted above should be the single most important post on this thread to you. Your actions, accusations and attitude are causing you to lose business. The equine industry welcomes new products to the market with open arms all of the time, it is not that people don't want to buy your product, simply that people don't want to buy from you.
 
Erm, well, nearly all of the HSAWA74 is applied on the basis of reasonable practicability, as criminal law, by the Health and Safety Executive...

ie its not an absolute standard that discourages use of common sense substitutes, which are a custom of trade.
 
tbh I'd suggest you got someone to put a bit of a polish on your marketing and website, eg a business adviser or marketing type person, and see if it took off. I think you've not got the marketing quite right.

Theres something that rings a bell for this with me. Never been involved in PEDICABS, have you?
 
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