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After lots of fact finding I've narrowed my choices to Gribaldi & Sandro Hit but am still in shock of how Sandro Hit costs through AI dealers in UK - is this the only way to purchase his chilled semen does anyone know?
Also anyone got any feedback on him?
Thank you
 
Sandro Hit is still in the region of 2500 euros no matter who you use

I am not a fan. He produces a lot of flashy front ends with a hind leg that doesnt match and the walk is known to be poor. But he produces dark, pretty horses that are much in demand for young horse classes. I would be more inclinded to go for a son that SH himself if he is the type that appeals. Maybe Sir Donnerhall?

Gribaldi is being leased to Celle this year I understand so check you can get chilled from him this year still
 
Yes he is very expensive due to him being in fashion currently. His genes seem to be quite strong and he throws offspring that are very much his stamp, but like volatis states his offspring are very much front end movers. I initially liked him until I received several stallion dvds of stallions by him. On all I saw they were very poor hind leg movers. Granted his stock are very pretty and flashy though. I do like Gribaldi. Good luck whoever you chose.
 
I love SH, but i do think as Volatis and competitiondiva says he does go best on a mare with a good strong hind leg. We used him on our Weltrum x Matcho mare who has a fantastic hind leg but who needed a more modern stallion and the offspring is our oldenburg stallion Santo Hit. He is everything we could've hoped for....beautiful dressage type, black (
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) very good hindleg with lots of flexion that steps right uder his body and power from behind, lovely temprement and rideable. We used the SH blood through San Amour on the mare again in 2007 and in 2008 had another stunning foal, just like our stallion but a filly. Powerful, beautiful type and a big mover, won at Kent County and awarded a Premium from the Oldenburg Verband and they said they think as far as they can tell at this stage (6months) that she should make a State Premium mare.
From our mare ;Waikiki' i couldn't have been more pleased with the results....a licensed oldenburg stallion and a winning premium filly who will hopefully go onto become a St. Pr. St.
However, we put SH on another mare and i don't think (time will tell!!) that the result has been as good. The ofspring is a mover and very pretty but the mare is of modern type and i think that SH was not substantial enough for her, so think the feedback from me would be... fantastic producer when used on the right mare.
 
I actually don't understand why you have narrowed your choice between this two stallions because they are so different from each other that I really can't see the match between does two.

Both stallions need a mare with a fast hindleg. Sandro Hit tends to throw small babies as this in his line. Sandro hit gives no chestmuts. The foreleg of Gribaldi is flate while SH has a lot of action in his foreleg.

What about this young stallion:http://www.ipshorsegroup.nl/nl/IPS%20Andretti

Fantastic movements and affordable!
 
Thank you - especially remarks on hind leg. A more modern type would work well on the mare but the back end concerns me.
I love Gribaldi more to be honest but may not be available.

Markvannunen - there is sooo many nice stallions out there but as this is my first one I want a proven stallion in terms of offspring.
 
what is the mare ? How is she bred ? what are her strengths and weaknesses ? What would you like to improve ? What would you like to breed ?
 
Have you thought about the stallion Sandro Song, the father of Sandro Hit?
I think he is still around or has frozen semen available, but I wouldn't know about the price.
I have one by him, half brother of Sandro Hit, he's a lovely type, and so easy to do.
I managed to buy him from Germany out of the field, never done anything, belonging to a lady who had to many horses, and a new family.
i'm hoping that he's gonna be a star. So far so good.
 
I have reservations about Sandro Hit. He's been very popular for many years but has few (none?) offspring at GP. He's old enough to have some of his early crops at that level if they have proven to be sound enough and trainable enough.

Are you breeding for yourself or to sell? If you are breeding for yourself I'd put temperament above every other consideration. And pick a stallion that you could go and see because they often look very different in the flesh to how they appear in photos and videos.

What are your mare's weak points? What do you want to improve? How is she bred? Are there any breeding nicks with her bloodlines?

Depending upon what you have and what you want there are some extremely nice stallions standing in the UK that you can go and evaluate for yourself. Here is a list of british bred horses that placed in the top 10 at the BD national championships.
http://www.bef.co.uk/downloads/british%20dressage%20backs%20british%20breeding%20release.doc
The stallions on this list are not necessarily the ones you would expect to see! They include a purebred Irish Draught (Bealagh Blue) who gets very few mares, a coloured of unknown breeding (Miley) who also gets very few mares and has sired a HOYS winner as well as a couple of advanced eventers as well as a GP dressage horse. There is also an eventing sire (Welton Crackerjack) and an Irish Draught Sports Horse by a stallion who did not stand to outside mares so probably only had 20 offspring in his life!

The more I look into breeding and compare it to the horses that perform, the more I am wary of believing the hype surrounding big name stallions. IMHO you are far more likely to produce a horse that goes on to FEI dressage by using a stallion who has sired top performers from a very small foal crop than by using a big name stallion who sires 100s of foals a year and only 1 or 2 ever get to GP. JMHO of course.
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Thank you - everyone feedback is great. Mare is Bel WB, moves really well, fantastic temperament and reallly willing to learn. Can be hot headed and as breeding for me (and i'm getting on a bit moved away from don shufero etc!)
only weekness is slightly upright - but only slightly. Also jumps well and although want to breed a nice horse for dressage would be a bonus if it doesn't mind jumping! Shes not huge either at 16hh so wanted if possible to use something that didn't throw little ones!
Agree with looking at them in person - only one i can find nice in UK from stud cards is Garuda K & possibly Nibley Union Jack.
Any suggestions?
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I looked up the British Dressage list as per your post. Where do I find out more about the horses listed? particularly Forrest Fire - unknown pedigree.
 
Garuda K is awesome.

There is also Carl Hester's Moviestar who is AWESOME. There is also Millenium down in Sussex.

Another SH son is Deanes San Ciro Hit...standing at Catherston and now winning at Adv Medium. There is also another son called San Liberty standing in Sussex, he was bought from Schokemohle's a couple years ago and is a nice boy.
 
If you want UK based there is Kyra K's Master, one of the leading stallions in the world, proven both himself at highest level and by his offspring at the highest level

Younger ones I have used include Showmaker (Showstar x Fidermark) http://www.germandressagehorseuk.com/gal...13d84c95a4ce65a and have kept the colt I bred who was a First Premium foal at the Futurity
 
I'm with Eventrider 23, Movistar is fantastic!! But I'm biast having my mare in foal to him and due end march!! He's only about 16.1 but is by jazz who is 17HH and most of his offspring are that height so there are some big genes there. He won the stellar wealth prix st george, the intermediare 1 freestyle and intermediare 1 at the 2008 nationals, and the following week won 1 and came 2nd in 2 classes at the cdi's in france. He can be seen at Carl hesters yard in gloucestershire. Build wise he is very compact, strong shoulder and good hind leg action (typical jazz!) He has probably a more trainable attitude than his sire! And has a loverly temperament. see link:
http://www.horsedeals.co.uk/stallions_at_stud/stallions/T_Movistar__30-01-09-56737 or:
http://www.carlhester.co.uk/Home/StallionsatStud/tabid/72/Default.aspx

I also agree with stolensilver that you should if possible go and see the stallions in the flesh, I liked several in pictures but was not impressed when I saw them on video and again when I saw them in the flesh.
 
Agree that the hindleg of the Sandro Hit offspring is not his strong point.
The area i particularly worry about is the weak, slack hind pasterns. This has to be stong for a dressage horse to remein sound in the long term especially for the pirouette work and the passage piaffe.
 
One Sandro Hit son that I especially LOVE is Kempke Hof's stallions Sancisco. He is STUNNING! http://www.fp.agenturserver.eu/kempkehof/englisch/hengste_sancisco.htm

He is already proving to be pretty successful himself, even though still young. He was Champion of both his 30 and 70 day Performance tests. Throughout 2007 and 2008 he proved to be very successful in the ring...winning over 20 Intermediare I classes and placing in the Nuremburg cup finals in 2008.

He was officially THE most successful SH offspring competing in Germany and the most successful overall dressage horse in Germany in 2008. Not bad for a rising 8 yr old!

His offspring are simply jaw dropping. There are quite a few over here I believe, with a couple being presented to the BEF futurities in 2008. One I can remember was the foal Standing Ovation who was at the Plumpton futurity with our guys. He is a stunner: http://www.greenlees-equine.com/portfolio36804.html
Camrose Stud also rates Sancisco and had a stunning 2008 colt by him called Sandhurst C. He has actually recently been sold to Australia as a stallion prospect. The stud have his dam in foal to Sancisco again for 2009. This is Sandhurst: http://www.camrosestud.org.uk/sandhurstc.htm
 
Really interesting if you click on the Photos of the top stallion
Sancisco look at the pasterns!!!front and back. Thats what worries me, even the foals have it some are amazing but for me this slackness in this vital area will predispose this type to suspensory and chesk ligament problems especially in the older horse where more weight bearing is required from the hind leg.
It does make them comfy to ride but for me this is a big worry.
They are beautiful to look at and they do have much to like but and it is a big but i want horses for the long term and that is regardless of level to acheive this they have to be mechanically sound.
 
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