Sarcoid treatment not worked

I've battled with a nodular sarcoid for about 3 years. Bloodroot, turmeric, my vets advised not to use Liverpool cream as it can be so painful. They enquired about lasering it and it was going to be approx. £800 - for one!. I then tried the black salve, after applying betnovate for a month. Two weeks later, the flipping thing came out, complete with root, leaving a hole where it was. Another two weeks later and it was just about healed. Now I struggle to find where it was.
 
We have a pony which had sarcoids before we got him. His owner told me at 17yrs old they spontaneously dropped off and there is only a tiny bald patch where they were now. I suppose that story supports the fact they will come out when they are ready!
 
meleeka said:
Mine had a scab and I thought it hasn't worked until the vet came out, had a look and just pulled it off! The smell was awful, the sarcoid had gone and the scab was hanging on by a thread, unbeknown to me.
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I had a similar situation. I had a mare treated with BCG injections, which did't appear to make any difference. I advertised her for sale, with full disclosure of her sarcoids. A viewer came to try her - and I pointed out the sarcoids, touched one with my finger, and it fell off. Viewer and I poked the rest, and they all just fell off! They were all completely dried up, and there was clear skin underneath. She bought her, and kept in touch - the sarcoids never grew back, ad the mare was an absolute superstar, so she got herself an absolute bargain!
 
Sorry to jump in! Just wondering, I've tried tumeric and thuja, my mare has three tiny flat and hairless sarcoids. What toothpaste have people been using in particular? Is it still crest toothpaste that is supposed to help?
 
Bav said:
Sorry to jump in! Just wondering, I've tried tumeric and thuja, my mare has three tiny flat and hairless sarcoids. What toothpaste have people been using in particular? Is it still crest toothpaste that is supposed to help?
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I have been warned off toothpaste, and have had vets say sometimes they go away naturally and it is falsely contributed to whatever treatment. I am currently using thuja which seems to keep them at bay (2 on girth area). But the biggest issue I have is flies!! So spending a fortune on rugs etc. Another suggestion is diet, plays a massive part. If sarcoids are a virus that lies dormant in the skin, stressors will aggrevate. Like cold-sores, you are run down - one pops up!

Still there is so much stuff out there on them and so many different experiences and types who knows!
 
Rupertthebear I'm in Australia and understand your problem with flies having just gone through summer where flies were everywhere. I have been using septicide cream which has a fly repellant in it. I mix this into a paste with turmeric powder and put it on his sarcoid every morning. I have found the turmeric to be a better insect repellant than the septicide cream alone, the flies really hate it. Might be worth a try.
 
I have a 24 year old gelding who had a couple of little sarcoids near his sheath when he was 6. These were treated by the vet with Liverpool cream and seemed to clear up. However a couple of years later more sarcoids appeared in the same area in a cluster but never really amounted to much. On speaking to the vet he advised to leave well alone as they weren't getting any bigger and were not bothering him. Then a couple of months ago i noticed one on his actual sheath that had grown to the size of a small button mushroom. After cleaning his sheath I noticed the base of this sarcoid had split away but only on half of the outer rim. So, to avoid any infection, I cleaned it and then applied some green oils to it and the surrounding area. Over the next few days the sarcoid lost its coating of skin (it looked like a mini brain!). Also, the other little sarcoids had changed appearance too. They all then crusted up and on touching them the crusts fell off. After about a week or so when feeding breakfast I noticed blood down the front of his leg and then saw that the large sarcoid had come away completely leaving a hole. Some of the other sarcoids had crusted up and the scabs dropped off leaving a clean area. It now looks healed.

Now I'm not suggesting that green oils was the answer or that Crest toothpaste wouldn't have done the same thing but it does seem weird that this happened almost by accident. Bizarre!
 
Toothpaste and other "homeopathic methods" tend not to work on sarcoids. They should be seen as a type of skin cancer and are not just a wart! For more information on the disease go to www.equinesarcoid.co.uk, this is Prof. Derek Knottenbelt's new companies website and gives information for both owners and vets. They also have a Facebook page Equine Medical Solutions Ltd. which shares success stories of sarcoids treated by various methods, and also raises awareness of what to do and what not to do if your horse has a sarcoid.

Having worked with Prof. Knottenbelt I see many cases who have been "treated" with toothpaste and other methods and from what I have seen these do absolutely nothing for the sarcoid. Each failed treatment attempt reduces the chances of successful treatment in the long run. Rather than doing what you think and trying to treat them yourself, consult your vet and get an expert opinion!!!
 
RachJ1994 said:
Toothpaste IS NOT a sarcoid treatment!!! It makes matters worse rather than better.
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Toothpaste has worked for me and far too many others for it to be regarded as a coincidence or a fluke. It may be controversial in some veterinary circles and also not 'approved' but it's about time that it was taken more seriously IMO.
 
Downton Dame said:
yes there is a crusty scab
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Is the scab lifting a little from the sides. If so, leave it alone. It will drop off and the longer it takes the better the result. Believe me, I've seen a LOT of the ruddy things. Blood root cream has NOT worked for me - doesn't mean to say it doesn't for some types of sarcoid if caught early enough. The latest thing to try is an over-the-counter liquid nitrogen can used for humans with warts - I'll post the name when I've had time to look (we only use it for very small sarcoids.) I have two others being treated at present - one with rubber rings and freezing (done well, that works) and Liverpool Cream (never had one of these NOT work.)
 
RachJ1994 said:
Toothpaste IS NOT a sarcoid treatment!!! It makes matters worse rather than better.
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Actually, the recommendation is for a very high fluoride toothpaste, (definitely not Crest!) and fluorine was a chemical in the chemotherapy treatment from Liverpool last time I looked, and some sarcoids do seem to respond to a very high fluoride toothpaste.

I've never failed to remove one of any type with copper sulphate. But it does leave a bloody hole, and it can be shocking how far under the skin the roots of something that look tiny on the surface spread. I wouldn't suggest it for anyone with insurance or enough money for laser treatment, or anyone even slightly nervous about it, but it seems not to hurt like Liverpool cream and has produced results that several vets have told me is better in terms of scarring.
 
I've just had laser surgery on a growth my mare had on the corner of her mouth. She was treated just before Christmas and was left with a ruddy great big crater which looked awful, however we left it alone and it healed brilliantly. However OH rode her on sat and we've found she's developed another lump closer to the edge of her mouth about an inch from the original one, we're absolutely gutted. I've got the vet coming out to look at it, but I don't think it can be lasered again as it is just to close to her lips. Not really sure what we're going to do, whether it maybe just best to leave it and invest in a bitless bridle.
Other horse was treated for a sarcoid on his sheath with the Liverpool cream 7 years ago and there has been no new one appear yet!! His exploded like a volcano and left a huge hole which as others have said looked awful at first but healed really well. I think the big thing is picking your timing when treating them, I've had both mine done in winter when there was no chance of flies infecting the wound.
 
ycbm said:
Actually, the recommendation is for a very high fluoride toothpaste, (definitely not Crest!) and fluorine was a chemical in the chemotherapy treatment from Liverpool last time I looked, and some sarcoids do seem to respond to a very high fluoride toothpaste..
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Fluoride is a very different chemical to fluorine (a gas) in its actions!!

I suspect the far more important ingredient in some of the older types of toothpaste advocated is Sanguinarine, which is actually the active ingredient of Bloodroot ointment......bizarre as it may seem, it was added as an anti-plaque/anti-gingivitis agent?!
 
Liverpool cream is a compounded formulation of 5-fluorouracil which is used in humans to treat basal cell carcinoma. (it is also used in an injectable form to treat many other types of cancer)
 
A lot of the time when things work that 'shouldn't work' its pure coincidence and the sarcoid would have disappeared on its own anyway.
So much depends on the type of sarcoid and how aggressive they are. You can 'mess around' with some of them and they'll disappear or just not get any results at all and then you do that with others and next thing you know you've how a situation that's way worse than it was to start with.
We eventually had Cryotherapy treatment on a mare that had awful sarcoids after everything else failed and it worked 100% and they never came back
 
quizzie said:
Fluoride is a very different chemical to fluorine (a gas) in its actions!!

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Fluorine is the molecule in every fluoride. Fluoride is not a chemical at all, is it? Surely it needs something like calcium or sodium on the front to be a fluoride?

I don't think it's a coincidence that the very high fluoride toothpastes that are alleged to work on sarcoids and the human skin cancer treatment and Liverpool cream all contain compounds with fluorine in them.
 
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ycbm said:
Fluorine is the molecule in every fluoride. Fluoride is not a chemical at all, is it? Surely it needs something like calcium or sodium on the front to be a fluoride?

I don't think it's a coincidence that the very high fluoride toothpastes that are alleged to work on sarcoids and the human skin cancer treatment and Liverpool cream all contain compounds with fluorine in them.
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Fluorine is an unstable highly poisonous chemical element.......

A fluoride is a chemical compound, using the negative ion of fluorine , usually combined with an inorganic element such as calcium, rendering it stable, and not poisonous.

Liverpool cream is based on a chemical compound called 5-fluorouracil, which has one molecule of the element fluorine attached, which is poisonous at the cellular level.

The 3 are definitely not comparable in terms of their actions......!
 
Patience is key. Persist with the Liverpol cream. Worked on mine. Another had turmeric powder and sudocrem smothered on it and turmeric fed daily. The vet was astonished that it had completely disappeared when she checked.
 
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