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any help or advise is much appreciated!!

i have a 15.2hh, black, cob, gelding, 4 this year
he has a small flaky sarcoid on the inside of his front leg
he has hairless areas around his sheath, which have turned rasied and flaky which are also vet-confirmed sarcoids
he also has a sarcoid underneath the skin, a lump within his sheath

none of them seem to cause him pain, he is fine with me touching them and he still gets his manhood out comfortably so it seems!

the vet suggested the Liverpool cream but i am really unsure about using it as the success rate doesnt seem fantastic, after putting my lad through a lot of stress :(

other remedies i have heard are:
> thuja cream
> crest toothpaste
> forever living aloe vera gel
> making your own salt paste

as you can tell ^ i have done lots of research into this as this horse means the entire world to me and now i want the best for him

any help at all would be greatly appreciated!
thanks so much for taking the time to read this :)
 
Everyone has a different opinion but my experience with my youngster who has/had several different ones on and around his sheath/prepuce and eye are as follows.

one that had a decent neck hanging off the sheath was rubber banded sucessfully, 2 small nodules which were almost under the skin were banded and were unsucessful and caused my horse alot of pain when the band came off one 1 day later, the other has not changed and the bit of cotton is still there 8 months later. I also had efudix/flourestane ? prescription only for the one on his eye, I have treated this twice it has reduced quite alot but there is a scar or small sarcoid left, also has a bald patch waiting for hair to grow to see how it looks. He also has a couple of warty small ones on his sheath that i have not touched and they have not changed at all. He also has a pink nipple like thing near his belly button, havent touched that either but it has slightly grown. I havent any insurance so went the cheapest route possible and probably wouldnt have done anything if I was planning on keeping the horse. My vet said easier to treat if small but Im not sure i agree with this re banding.
 
If you have a positive diagnosis of a true sarcoid (rather than an odd warty patch) then you need to take great care. A true sarcoid is a form of skin cancer and the absolute last thing you would ever want to put on a skin cancer is any form of product that says things like "aids skin growth/renewal", for obvious reasons. I have to query the toothpaste option too. For god's sake, if you had a skin cancer on your arm, would you happily smear toothpaste on it thinking it would do the trick? Ditto for a salt paste. I mean for crying out loud. Thuja cream obeys the first rule of self help - it does no harm and in some cases seems to have helped (although whether or not the cases where it has helped were ever true sarcoids or not remains a moot point).

Liverpool cream has a pretty good success rate given that there aren't many other options. Don't know if you've come across it in your research but I'd strongly recommend you track down Prof Knottenbelt's definitive guide to sarcoids. Google it. One of the most important pieces of information to take away from that is that the only predictable thing about sarcoids is their unpredictability. Good luck (but please, please stay away from anything that you wouldn't apply to a growth on your own skin).
 
Liverpool Cream applied by my vet on the advice of Prof Knottenbelt has worked brilliantly for my boy. As Prof Knottenbelt is the person who has done most research into sarcoids, I would prefer to use his expertise rather than 'tinpot' suggestions
 
sorry to hijack ur post! those of you tht have used the liverpool cream, how long did it take roughly for them to drop off? my boy had 9 treated mid jan and he still has 2 left on, vet said they just need time! The ones left just look absolutely solid and quite happy to stay there esp the one on the sheath. Just wondering if any one else has had this? is it normal or shud i get a 2nd vet to look at them?
 
Ask your vet about using acyclovir cream for the flaky, flat (occult) sarcoids. There is increasing evidence to support this treatment.
 
Lace57 said:
sorry to hijack ur post! those of you tht have used the liverpool cream, how long did it take roughly for them to drop off? my boy had 9 treated mid jan and he still has 2 left on, vet said they just need time! The ones left just look absolutely solid and quite happy to stay there esp the one on the sheath. Just wondering if any one else has had this? is it normal or shud i get a 2nd vet to look at them?
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Sounds as if your horse's sarcoids may need another treatment of Liverpool cream. Can you ask your vet to talk to Prof Knottenbelt and seek advice? You could send photos of the sarcoids in their present state to Prof K and ask him where to go from here. My horse's sarcoids weren't very big, so they sort of disolved rather than dropped off, if that makes sense!
 
I was thinking I should take photos and email them across. The vet has re treated a couple but left the one im particularly worried about just saying it needs time. Its like a solid plack the side of a pound coin but the sarcoid under there was like a tiny spot! the other that it left on its flaking round the edges so its defo on its way to dropping off! just want them to hurry up!
 
Lace57 said:
I was thinking I should take photos and email them across. The vet has re treated a couple but left the one im particularly worried about just saying it needs time. Its like a solid plack the side of a pound coin but the sarcoid under there was like a tiny spot! the other that it left on its flaking round the edges so its defo on its way to dropping off! just want them to hurry up!
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Good luck with them. So stressful, isn't it? Give your vet a gentle nudge to speak to Liverpool. Also from your insurance point of view, you need to get things moving
 
George had one on his belly a few years ago, and after my vet referred some pics to Prof Knottenbelt it was recommended the Liverpool cream was used. He ended up needing double the usual course of treatments as it stubbornly refused to react to the cream! When it did it took about 6-8 weeks to disappear and then a few more weeks to heal over, now he just has a small flat bare patch (you can only see it if you peer underneath his belly). Luckily it didn't cause a large open wound as can sometimes happen, and although I gave George some time off he never seemed overly bothered by the treatment :)
 
jessica23 said:
any help or advise is much appreciated!!

ihe also has a sarcoid underneath the skin, a lump within his sheath

none of them seem to cause him pain, he is fine with me touching them and he still gets his manhood out comfortably so it seems!

the vet suggested the Liverpool cream but i am really unsure about using it as the success rate doesnt seem fantastic, after putting my lad through a lot of stress :(

other remedies i have heard are:
> thuja cream
> crest toothpaste
> forever living aloe vera gel
> making your own salt paste

as you can tell ^ i have done lots of research into this as this horse means the entire world to me and now i want the best for him

any help at all would be greatly appreciated!
thanks so much for taking the time to read this :)
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lump under skin has a lot of potetial to get much worse if not tackled.

don't touch them. you may spread them or aggrevate them.

Most sarcoids are not painful

Success rate is actually very good. You here people winging about it if they don't get 100% cure because it is expensive and miracles are expected.

People also procrastinate and delay treatment with cream- making success less likely.

If he means the world to you listen to the vet. it only involves taking photos then applying cream and a bit of vaseline.

Occasionally applying cream stings but apart from that its no hardship. It is not stressful for the horse.

The other remedies are complete balls but in this order can be used for:
Piles?
cleaning your teeth
soothing wounds
salt- we all know what rubbing that into wounds does...!

Suggest you research Liverpools sarcoid website instead!!
 
kirstyl said:
Liverpool Cream applied by my vet on the advice of Prof Knottenbelt has worked brilliantly for my boy. As Prof Knottenbelt is the person who has done most research into sarcoids, I would prefer to use his expertise rather than 'tinpot' suggestions
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Snap. The big expense will be vet visits for the vet to apply it but if you have a good relationship he may leave it with you to apply (yes, I know this is not allowed, but I'm a responsible adult and didn't want to use my insurance!) Glove up if you need to go near the areas.
 
cinammontoast said:
Snap. The big expense will be vet visits for the vet to apply it but if you have a good relationship he may leave it with you to apply (yes, I know this is not allowed, but I'm a responsible adult and didn't want to use my insurance!) Glove up if you need to go near the areas.
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If you're a responsible adult, then don't ask him to leave it with you! It's dangerous stuff and is supplied to vets for them to use only for very good reasons! A vet would be in deep trouble for leaving this cream with clients for them to apply - unless the client IS a vet!
 
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