Sarcoids advice wanted- Liverpool cream?

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I have bought a 12 yo chestnut gelding American TB about 5 months ago, A vet has diagnosed a sarcoid in his armpit? (diagnosis by site rather then any testing). She suggested treat

A friend suggested treatment with homeopathic thuja cream and tablets. I've have been doing that for a few weeks and it had been static, but recently has a modular type growth on

Her vet has taken a picture which was sent to Liverpool Veterinary college. They has diagnosed as a combination of Modular and verricus sarcoid.

Their recommended treatment plan is the application of 'Liverpool cream' at 50% and 75% strength over 8 days. As it can cause soreness and may need sedation to apply as a result over 8 days, plus is very potent they recommend it is only applied by vets so would also require livery at the vets stables too.

Our question is that everything we have read on the topic suggests that the cause and treatment of sarcoids is still largely unknown and unproven and that treatment can cause deterioration as well as improvement.

So, have anyone had any experience in the use and results of Liverpool cream? Any positive or negative experiences to offer on sarcoid treatments as whole.

He does not appear to have any pain or discomfort from the sarcoid, though we have been advised that it's locations may allow it to spread to nearby glands.

Many thanks
 
We used some on our TB who had some large sarcoids inside his hind legs. The cream did something but seemed to make them more 'angry' than anything else. They definitely changed but ended up just being a bleeding mess really and left dried blood all down his legs. The vet saw them and essentially said to just leave them alone.

However, we were not happy and as they were quite large but seemed to be attached by a relatively thin bit of skin we took the decision to try and stop the blood flow to them. We did consult the vet (well my dad did) as dad wanted to use cable ties whereas we thought bands may be better. Anyway, cable ties it was and, within 2 weeks both large sarcoids had fallen off! :)

Obviously this is not necessarily going to work on all sarcoids but it certainly did on this horse and his legs are now nice and clean. He is a 29 (this year) TB though so we are not concerned about them growing back really
 
That's a bad place for a sarcoid you need to get it treated ASAP .
I have used Liverpool cream several times and always got rid of them in the end but it took at least two treatments cycles in most cases.
I have had one horse lasered he's had two lots treated I think we are winning with him too.
 
Ladyt25- Cable ties! That's brave! I don't think that would work for mine as they are covering an area about 3x6cm in a sort of lumpy scab, although the nodule growing in the middle could be tied I guess, albeit very carefully with a thin tie as its only very small at the minute
 
I Have used the Liverpool cream on my mare who had several, of various types. It worked, 90% gone and no problems since (after 4 years). There is some residual regrowth, but nothing like what was there before. The treatment had to be administered by a vet, and there was some soreness, but worth it as I have seen what these things can turn into.
 
My mare had a sarcoid treated with the Liverpool cream 2 years ago. It was painful for her and caused lots of swelling but the sarcoid was successfully destroyed and has not returned. After the treatment I gave her an anti sarcoid homeopathic treatment made by Forest
Farmacy for 6 months. It's a horrid condition and I tried the natural cures to begin with but in the end had to go with the Liverpool cream and I'm glad I did. Good luck.
 
My tb had a sarcoid in front of his sheath treated with the Liverpool cream. He had to have three vet visits to re apply the cream. It did seem to make the sarcoid 'angry' and he was on anti inflammotories and painkillers as it swelled quite a lot. After the three treatments we just had to wait till it fell off. After three weeks it had come off and have never had any more sarcoids since. That's was three years ago
 
My share owners other horse (if that makes sense!) had a sarcoid on her hind leg and the liverpool cream was used - the vet had to come out every day to put it on and I can't remember exactly what happened except that it did work.

Unfortunately she's now got another one which we think will be banded instead - it is on her inner hind leg and we wouldn't want the cream rubbing her other leg too.
K x
 
Dons dhabs said:
Ladyt25- Cable ties! That's brave! I don't think that would work for mine as they are covering an area about 3x6cm in a sort of lumpy scab, although the nodule growing in the middle could be tied I guess, albeit very carefully with a thin tie as its only very small at the minute
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Yep! It was my dad's idea - we were a bit apprehensive to say the least! However, they did work. We wouldn't have been able to get a band that would be tight enough over the main part of the sarcoid so the ties were more suitable. he looks loads better now though - the sarcoids had rubbed the hair off his other leg and now that's growing back. No to mention it looks a heck of a lot nicer!
 
My TB developed 3 sarcoids, vets recommended asking Prof Knottenbelt's advice and following on from that we started on Liverpool Cream treatment. So far, touching wood frantically, it's been a complete success. Charlie also had one near his girth which was obviously of concern as could have affected his riding career. I'd definitely recommend this treatment
 
OP, do check the total costings from your vet.
I have (cream due to arrive next week) and its actually going to be cheaper for horse to go & stay at vets for the 8 days than for vet to do repeated visits to yard!!
Be careful with banding unless you know the type of sarcoid you are treating, as a level 4 to 7 can be made far worse with interference externally, not always but can happen.

Edited to add, I have a rather unpleasant set of photos of a sudden eruption of a Fibroblastic sarcoid in my gallery <yuk> will update as the process is started & treatment on-goes
 
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My gelding had a sarcoid in front of his sheath. We treated with Liverpool cream about 18 months ago - only needed one cycle of treatment, did cause some swelling and had to protect the surrounding area by applying zinc and castor oil cream. I opted to sedate him to apply cream after the first time just in case he was sore (I'm a small animal vet so equine vet in the practice let me apply the cream etc myself) and used bute for pain relief but he wasn't sore for long and treatment was very effective for him :)
 
My boy had a large sarcoid on his face that the bit rubbed, I had the liverpool cream treatment 3 visits and it completly dissapeared within 6 weeks that was 5 years ago, nothing since, even i cannot tell where it was :O)
 
Aciclovir cream (cold sore cream), i believe liverpool cream makes a real mess and under the armpit it will spread more than the size of the sarcoid.
 
liverpool are the expert of sarcoids. Yes they can get worse- your treatment likely caused the nodular growth hence why they should always be properly diagnosed as you have now done.
 
Mine had several treatments with the Liverpool cream & it was 100% effective on his many sarcoids,it did make mine sore & he had a lot sarcoids around his belly,sheath & inner hindlegs so he was sedated everytime. He was always done at the yard,would yours have to stay at vets? Surely they could sedate & apply the cream at the yard?
 
Personally I would always treat a sarcoid whilst small as once it gets bigger it's much harder to treat.
We used liverpool cream on a small sarcoid on my sister's tb. Luckily the vet literally lived 2 mintues walk from the yard and was happy for us to walk the horse round when he needed treatment so wasn't as expensive. It worked extremely well and following treatment the sarcoid dried up and dropped off leaving a small scar. He has had no further problems.
 
Hi

Thanks for al the advice, some of you have said that you need to be careful not to get the cream on areas of skin not affected by the sarcoid, but his is on his chest right next to his armpit, literally a fold of skin next to the sarcoid for his armpit, not sure how well we'd be able to stop it getting onto neighbouring skin?!

Thanks
Donna
 
Dons dhabs said:
Hi

Thanks for al the advice, some of you have said that you need to be careful not to get the cream on areas of skin not affected by the sarcoid, but his is on his chest right next to his armpit, literally a fold of skin next to the sarcoid for his armpit, not sure how well we'd be able to stop it getting onto neighbouring skin?!

Thanks
Donna
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Hi Donna, your vet will advise on this, hope it works for your horse.
Do you have any news as to when the cream is coming?
 
My lad developed 5 on the inside of a hind leg and his sheath, the large one was banded and the others were frozen off with a cryospray. Took 2 goes but they all dropped off to leave a small white patch. Vet had already prescribed Sarc Off but that was no use.
 
Hi all

Thanks for the quick responses, just a thought, could the nodule be growing as a result of the thuja treatment, ie the sarcoid dying off?

Thanks
 
I have used sarc ex on a couple of different horses - both shrivelled up went balck and fell off :)(sarcoids not horses :P) It seems to work the best on the fibroblastic type ie the ones which usually look the worse (bleeding,red etc). A friend tried it on her pony who had occult and verrucae(?) types and it had no effect
 
SusieT said:
liverpool are the expert of sarcoids. Yes they can get worse- your treatment likely caused the nodular growth hence why they should always be properly diagnosed as you have now done.
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I agree totally, also people don't seem to realise that not only do unproven remedies often not work , they can also reduce the effective of proven treatments.

Sarcoids are not something to play about with.

My filly had a flat one treated with Liverpool cream. Just one cycle and it dropped off, so far no return or other sarcoids, but it's something I check constantly.
 
As others have said, please be careful with the use of various non -prescribed creams and lotions. Sarcoids are aggressive above and below the skin level and need to have all of the structure removed or they will come back.
I chose to treat my boy with the Liverpool cream (3 visits by the vet) because his was a large facial sarcoid it ment that there was a very real issue with him tranferring the cream onto other parts of his body or his haynet.
We came up with an idea for a horse plaster, clipped the area and after the cream was applied we covered it with the home made plaster.
He always found a way to remove the plaster after a few hours but enough of the cream soaked in to work.
The treatment is expensive but with my boy it was money well spent, he did not need sedation and was a happy patient.
Good luck with whatever course you decide to take and chat to your vet, they know their stuff.
Regards Teresa
 
The Fuzzy Furry said:
OP, do check the total costings from your vet.
I have (cream due to arrive next week) and its actually going to be cheaper for horse to go & stay at vets for the 8 days than for vet to do repeated visits to yard!!
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As above. My horse has gone to the vets today for 8 days.
I have had two horses previously treated with Liverpool cream, with 100% success.
Foolishly, with this one, I decided to try a feed suplement & thuja cream. I don't think this made them any worse, but had no impact at all.
I wish I'd have opted for the cream in the first place, as they would probably be gone by now.
 
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