sarcoids on new horse and one with ringbone, help!!

To all the people who thought they could smell "Tolly" (class!!) I found this little exert from the HORSE AND hOUND ITSELF!
In fact as I was sold the horse and the seller was part of a business I am protected under normal consumer rights and Sarcoids are not only unhealthy but can spread and are potentially dangerous and expensive to treat.

"Assuming your daughter sold the mare in a private capacity, and not as part of a business, the usual conditions under the sale of goods legislation :p(which require the horse to be fit for its purpose and of satisfactory quality)

I am shocked at the hostile, nasty and quite frankly daming behaviour of the people who replied to me. The assumtions you made were quite unhelpful, such as assuming I was upset as it was not RedRum or something one of you mentioned.

You are indeed a bunch of nasy horrid little individuals that deserve to hunch over your keyboards and bitch at other people misfortunes, hope you all get piles!!:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
 
I agree with the others.

If neither you or the vet noticed them before purchase how can you assume the breeder new about them?

You should be covered on your insurance so start treatment and you could still end up with a good horse.

If could have been triggered by the change of owner and home and as the horse is only 3 get treatment started now before it could affect his ridden career
 
Sorry, but you are wrong, the vet, told me she was almost 100% sure they were there prior to me getting the horse and her belief were that they were transferable by mare rather than hereditary.
I take her word oevr some numpty on this web site anyday!
 
You came on to this website for help?!

Anyway, good luck with your horse, you have clearly messed up and I hope you get it sorted :)
 
So if they were defiantly there before purchase why didnt you notice them?


If thats true then yes the breeder has hidden it from you but you should have picked up on them yourself and not gone ahead with the purchase
 
Does anyone else smell troll? Quote from Glos girl
Do you think that was nice??????????????
When I was trying to descibe a problem that I put up on good faith to reveice a comment that I was LYING!!!!
Why would I bother??? This is a web site after all, its not as if I know anyone, what would I gain?
Its disgusting that people should play with other people emotions, plus most had no valid point to make only deciding what they thought I felt and though about my purchase, such as I paid to much, when did I ever say that, what was that to do with bloomin sarcoids, you should get a bloody job!
 
ponykiss69 said:
Sorry, but you are wrong, the vet, told me she was almost 100% sure they were there prior to me getting the horse and her belief were that they were transferable by mare rather than hereditary.
I take her word oevr some numpty on this web site anyday!
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almost 100% sure....... so not actually 100% sure then.

and what does transferable by mare mean :confused:

eta and most people did have a valid point that your intial point of complaint should be the vetting vet if you believe they were not identified but should have been despite the mares handling issues.
 
Zoom has a large occult sarcoid. She was clipped out the day before this photo, the sarcoid is in a really noticable place, yet I don't think it is that easy to spot:

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What I'm saying is that, when the seller said that the horse was unhandled, you took a chance. It is very believable that neither the seller nor the vet noticed the sarcoid due to winter coat and the fact they couldn't handle the horse.

I'm afraid I too do not think that you have any sort of case for the seller to swap the horse or take it back.

Also - FYI Zoom's sarcoid has caused no problems and has not changed in the 3 years I've had her.
 
I am afraid you are wrong.
It is up to the seller/ Breeder if it is a business to make sure the goods they are selling are as described and fit for the job they are sold for and the buyer is protected by the law.
If she was sold and was not up to standard and the seller did not notice, it is not up to the buyer to point out the fact the goods are not up tosratch, it is negligent for the seller not to know their own horse.
Let me repeat one more time so you thickies get it, the LAW gives you protection if it is a business and is not a private sale. This applies to horses or any goods and can be confirmed if you call trading standards and these laws do apply to horses as I called to find out my rights..:p
 
Aren't you just a little ray of sunshine?

It was a while ago, have you actually DONE anything about it?
And what about the poor horse in the middle of all of this...you bought her, are you just going to turn her away and get an exchange like an inanimate object?

And yes you might have been able to return her, but most sellers will give a certain number of days period to do so, it sounds like it is past this? Talk it over with the vet who did the vetting at least???
 
But how does having sarcoids present a 'not-fit-for-purpose' argument?? Did you buy her to show?? Plus, did the advert mention not having any blemishes.

If it is no to both these questions, then you argument won't stand up. (not being shirty, just trying to advise)
 
OP. I don't know why you have to be so rude. Just because people don't agree with you.... You weren't happy last time that people didn't agree with you, so why have you dug up this old post.

I still don't believe that the sarcoids make the mare "not fit for purpose". I still think you should be going after the vet that passed this mare through a 5 stage vetting. I all instances that I've been involved with when you buy a horse you sign a contract saying "sold as seen", this would therefore mean you acept the horse as you see it. Did you sign a sales receipt/contract?

There really is just no need to be so rude to people, just because they don't agree with you.
 
You didnt like the replies you got on here when you first put the thread on, so what is the point of you dredging this all up again now? Is it just to be rude to people who have tried to advise you?
 
OP is coming across as a truely unpleasant individual- no wonder "newbies" are regarded with suspicion :(

I wondered if it was a bit of a scam to swop the unwanted horse for the one £2.5k more? Unnecessary to name the breeder/dealer as well..
 
ponykiss69 said:
Does anyone else smell troll? Quote from Glos girl
Do you think that was nice??????????????
When I was trying to descibe a problem that I put up on good faith to reveice a comment that I was LYING!!!!
Why would I bother??? This is a web site after all, its not as if I know anyone, what would I gain?
Its disgusting that people should play with other people emotions, plus most had no valid point to make only deciding what they thought I felt and though about my purchase, such as I paid to much, when did I ever say that, what was that to do with bloomin sarcoids, you should get a bloody job!
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Is that aimed at me?
If so - go and swing.
 
ponykiss69 said:
I am afraid you are wrong.
It is up to the seller/ Breeder if it is a business to make sure the goods they are selling are as described and fit for the job they are sold for and the buyer is protected by the law.
If she was sold and was not up to standard and the seller did not notice, it is not up to the buyer to point out the fact the goods are not up tosratch, it is negligent for the seller not to know their own horse.
Let me repeat one more time so you thickies get it, the LAW gives you protection if it is a business and is not a private sale. This applies to horses or any goods and can be confirmed if you call trading standards and these laws do apply to horses as I called to find out my rights..:p
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What did the advert say when you first decided to take a look at the horse? It is up to the breeder to advertise the horse truthfully in as much as they know about the horse. If the breeder didnt know the horse had sarcoids and didnt mention it in the advert then the breeder is doing nothing wrong. How you would prove that she did know the horse had sarcoids would be difficult and couldnt be proved. If the horse was sold for a job and it isnt fit for the job then some people might have recourse but using common sense no I dont think you can because sarcoids are not really a reason for the horse not doing a job and they can be cleared up. If the horse only had one sarcoid a month ago and then these suddenly became 40 then ringworm sounds like a more likely cause. A horse who is in poor condition is in poor condition with or without a winter coat as any person who has had horses all their lives would know.
 
Hello, I'm new and just wanted to run something past you all. After retiring my horse due to ringbone, I bought a largely unhandled 3yo - basically out of the field - from her breeder. She was a tad poor and had the thick coat of a horse which had wintered out unrugged. I had the breeder's vet look at her (I know, I know) and though she passed as fit for purpose, on handling her and since her coat has shed out, I have discovered quite a few occult sarcoids. My vet seems sure they would have existed at the time of the vetting, so I am feeling a bit disappointed and don't know if I might have any comeback against the vet who checked her over? I paid what is probably over the odds for her but the vet's costs are already mounting as she has also got worm damage. Is this usual for breeders to allow their youngstock to become so run down and neglected.

I feel a bit silly asking, but what should I do?


Is likely to have got you less in the way of curt replies. You haven't, I would think, been done except you have paid too much for what you have got. I wonder how carefully you checked her over yourself?

I had a youngster checked especially for presence or possibility of sarcoids (and cataracts) at a vetting, bearing in mind, they can appear over night for no reason and four is the classic age for this to happen.

Sarcoids are a law unto themselves, and not always a disaster from which there is no recovery. With some TLC and even a bit of support for her immune system (homeopathic) they may disappear. Certainly attention to her diet and well-being are only going to benefit.

I honestly think you might have to swallow your pride and accept what has happened. Put it down to experience and learn by it. There is a very good chance she'll still be the horse you thought you'd bought.
 
ponykiss69 said:
Why should I deal with the sarcoids, she also was so poor I had her bloods done and there maybe worm damage. this horse has clearly not been looked after and 4k is allot of money to pay for a horse that is sold for a certain job and its breeding waived as excellant only to find that it has been shoddily looked after and is not as sold in advertisment.
I have spent 1k already on vets fees to clear up her mess, do you think that is a good breeder????:eek:
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If you knew she was so poor... why did you buy her for 4k?? Surely, there are a lot better youngsters out there for that kind of money?
 
ponykiss69 said:
I hate work..

Yes the vet is responsible for finsing out, but this breeder has had this horse 3 years, you telling me she did'nt know, that is irresponsible in itself, 1 one month and 40 sarcoids, she knew about them, she knew they were there that is for sure! if not, she shold have taken more care and handled the horse as it was practically wild when I got it barely halter trained, COULD NOT pick up its feet at rising 4 this year, the horse was not handled! This is not the way to breed and sell horses??
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Again... why did you buy the horse for 4k - you MUST have noticed that it wasn't well-handled before handing over the money!?
 
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