Sarcoids - treatment with Liverpool Cream

Grumpy Herbert, I've completely forgotten to add that the other (occult) sarcoids being treated haven't flared up like this at all - only the nodular one has, so it's not a complete horror story ;). The others are just hard and black. I'll get some pics tomorrow. One thing I would say is it you're going to go for it, definitely do it in winter as I can't imagine how I'd cope if there were flies around!
 
Thanks Bojingles. I have left it over the summer for precisely that reason - the flies were absolutely horrendous this year, and I don't think I could cope with fly eggs/maggots!!! Sadly, it has grown in that time, but me and the vet thought that it was best to leave it til winter. Think I'll just have to be brave for both of us and go for it.
 
My daughter's pony had 35 sarcoids that developed over several months, including one on his girth. He was treated with Liverpool cream - the one on his girth shelled out like half a tennis ball and looked horrendous, but they all went and he has been clear for three years. The treatment wasn't pleasent, but made a little easier as my other daughter was the administering vet. It was however completely worth it.
 
Friends horse was treated with liverpool cream for sarcoids on stifle. Reacted very badly, in immense pain. They've come back in 3 years, and she says when it gets to a point she will put to sleep rather than use the cream again. We had a mare with them (one on jaw, one on chest, one on stifle). Local homeopathic vet treated her with a few tablets a day. Within 2 weeks they had started to shrivel and just dropped off. We lost her this year to another reason, but she had been clear for 6 years. Recommended vet to friends with them in girth area on competition pony, all gone, not retuned for now over 5 years, pony won young rider national championship class couple of years ago and still competing.

With the 22 yr old horse, I would consider the 'alternatives' so to speak. Treatment our mare had cost us less than £40 in total.
 
Today we finally gave in and surgically removed the large sarcoid. It just wasn't doing anything and was all yukky. The wound is pretty bad, and Bella's habit of constantly pawing the ground means it keeps bleeding :(. I've just sent her off to bed with some Sedalin and will check on her later. I'm dreading the next few days as she HATES being in! Apart from that, she's being incredibly brave, bless her. Brace yourselves, today's pics:

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I used liverpool cream last November to treat my horses occult flat sarcoid. He had 4 in total and one of these was a nodular one by his eye. Photos were sent to Liverpool and was told the one under jaw couldn't be treated as over his jugular, the one near eye and on inner thigh we had to be really careful with as in risky sensitive places. I decided to have the one on the side of his tummy treated. Whilst waiting for the cream to be made up I used Sarcoid Cleansing Salve from Horse Health. In 3 weeks the nodular one cleared and all but the one on his tummy grew hair back!

I had the sarcoid on tummy treated with Liverpool cream and I so wish I hadn't! He was fine with the treatment and never minded the cream being applied. It ended up looking like a button on his side. It stayed like this for 8 weeks slowly lifting and if you tapped it with a finger nail it sounded like a piece of wood as the skin went so hard!

It finally fell off and left skin like in photos above but this then started swelling and raised. After months it did receed back but still to this day he can't bare to have it touched like the nerves in the skin are damaged and over sensitive. It's left a bigger and unsightly scar that is worse than the sarcoid ever looked so very disappointed in outcome.

If I need to treat again I won't be using Liverpool cream again and wish I had known about laser being an option before. :-(
 
Hi, I just wanted to give you hope as 2 weeks ago my horse had an almost identical sarcoid fall off after liverpool treatment. It was 6 weeks after treatment and he had been really sore for the entire 6 weeks. Since it has fallen off he has come completely sound and is back in work. I have been covering it in flamazine, as instructed to by vet. He has been out in the field and not had any issues with it. 2 weeks on and it is half the size. It is healing really well with no signs of any sarcoid tissue. I just wanted to let you know that you are hopefully now on the home straight!
 
Over the last 20 years i have had a number of different sarcoids but have never used the liverpool Cream. Some were raw and red. One near the eye. One nodular inside top of leg. the nodular i treated with an elastic band and it dropped off and healed. The red raw ones were two inches long and the one near the eye was the size of a new penny both cleared up when I used Bazooka. Some in the inside of the rear leg have left a flat grey pack of skin. I may not have done the correct treatment but it worked as well as paying a vet £35 a visit. My Vet wanted to treat the one near the eye with inserted uranium rods £1000 and he said my treatment they might return fortunately they never did. I do not recommend my way of doing things and as these are nasty problems it is always a risk. Whenever we see a small lump that might be a sarcoid out comes teh Bazooka.
 
2 years ago my mare developed 5 small sarcoids – 1 under each hind leg 1 under each eye and 1 on her ear. As they were small and not interfering with anything I left them alone and just kept an eye on them. I also put her on Global Herbs Sarc-X but as it didn’t seem to be having any effect stopped it. They grew slowly during the rest of that year but unfortunately over Christmas and the new year I got a bad cold followed by flu and I took my eye off of them and 3 of them started to grow aggressively – the ones under her legs and 1 of the ones under her eyes. My vets took pictures and contacted Liverpool and it was decided to treat the ones under her legs with Liverpool Cream and the 1 under her eye with BCG injections. Whilst I was waiting for the medication to arrive from Liverpool I put the mare back on Sarc-X and also used Immune Plus my reasoning being that it wasn’t likely to cause any harm and might help. My mare had to be sedated each time – obviously she had to be for the eye but she wouldn’t tolerate the Liverpool cream being put on the ones under her legs either. However she was never uncomfortable between treatments and never needed any bute. The ones on her legs cleared up really quickly and fell off much earlier than expected and I was warned that the roots may have not been killed and that they could come back. The one under her eye did not react as quickly as expected and my vet did said he had never experienced this before as generally the BCG injections were very effective and usually cleared it up after 5 treatments. At this point the other sarcoids under her legs had dropped off so I stopped giving her the Sarc-X and Immune Plus and the one under her eye responded to the extra 2 BCG injections very quickly and it also cleared up. The interesting thing was that the other 2 sarcoids which were not treated also cleared up and a year and a half later she still has no sign of any of them returning. It seemed to me that in her case the Sarc-X and Immune Plus had a very positive effect when used in conjunction with the Liverpool cream but seemed to reduce the effect of the BCG injections and I would love to hear if anyone else has had a similar experience. I also think that although they looked bad on the surface none of them had very deep roots as when they dropped off they didn’t leave very deep holes and they soon healed over leaving comparatively small scars and a tiny pucker under her eye.
 
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Am following this thread with interest as my pony is currently being treated with Liverpool Cream, on his third application today. Fortunately not yet sore but bracing myself. On Danilon. One is below his eye and a real worry. They are so much bigger than they appear from the surface.
 
Well, poor old Bella is still on box rest because I let her have a run-around too soon and she split her wound open :(. Apart from that, everything seems to be going well. The only sarcoid which was really bad was the nodular one, which has left the wound. The occult ones simply die, turn hard and fall off. This one came off today leaving a tiny wound.

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Bella's round of treatment with Liverpool cream is finally coming to an end as the last sarcoid has come off. It's been quite a long haul because of the open wound left by the nodular sarcoid, but the occult ones have come away quite neatly and easily. I know they may come back but on balance I would do this again. I'll be super-vigilant from now on and the tiniest lesion will get zapped!

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Eeek that looks horrid! Glad bells last sarcoid has fallen off! How long has the process been from start to finish? Merlyns going in for his to be lasered off at Leahurst on Monday! Excited and nervous all at the same time!
 
From start to finish it's been 4 months, all on box rest. I'm amazed at how well she's coped! Good luck with Merlyn next week - let us know how you get on! It'll be really interesting to compare treatments. Do you have any pics?
 
Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences, sarcoids are vile and seem to be much more prevalent these days. There are lots of different types so I guess this is why different treatments have different levels of success. I had a horse develop a small warty sarcoid in his armpit, in consultation with my vet I had it surgically removed. It wasn't causing a problem but had it start to grow it would have become an issue. It cost me £80 and was a complete success. my own view is that if you find something that might be a sarcoid it's best to get a vet's advice rather than just keep an eye on it or try to treat it yourself.
 
I take off occult sarcoids (the ones that look like a different color circle in the hair) with aloe Vera (it has to be the pure stuff, Holland and Barrett sell it) and bigger ones I take off with copper sulphate and then use aloe vera on the hole to prevent any regrowth and kill the root. It's never failed to work and I've never had one regrow after that treatment.

Aloe Vera has been shown to be effective on skin cancer in mice.
 
ycbm said:
I take off occult sarcoids (the ones that look like a different color circle in the hair) with aloe Vera (it has to be the pure stuff, Holland and Barrett sell it) and bigger ones I take off with copper sulphate and then use aloe vera on the hole to prevent any regrowth and kill the root. It's never failed to work and I've never had one regrow after that treatment.

Aloe Vera has been shown to be effective on skin cancer in mice.
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Aloe is an amazing thing!!!
 
ycbm said:
I take off occult sarcoids (the ones that look like a different color circle in the hair) with aloe Vera (it has to be the pure stuff, Holland and Barrett sell it) and bigger ones I take off with copper sulphate and then use aloe vera on the hole to prevent any regrowth and kill the root. It's never failed to work and I've never had one regrow after that treatment.

Aloe Vera has been shown to be effective on skin cancer in mice.
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how many do you have? Is that all on one horse?
 
Those sarcoids look just like my mares, I have left them as seem ok at mo, but I know needs treating but looking at the cream the pictures look scary and seems to make things look worse. How long does the treatment take? And rough cost of the liverpool cream treatment.
 
ester said:
how many do you have? Is that all on one horse?
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Over a number of years I've taken about twenty off a total of six different horses. The biggest was a nodular one about 5cm diameter, two were balls that I banded and then treated the root, ten maybe were occult, four were like warts about 1cm across. I've just done a double one close to an eye, which was worrying, but it's healed with less scarring than Liverpool cream, as all the others did too. The copper sulphate leaves a nasty raw hole, but it heals well with aloe on it. On the dry ones, you need to put the copper sulphate in cream or oil to make it stick, and apply for a few days until the sarcoid comes off. Copper sulphate can be bought as a plant fungus treatment in garden centres. Several vets have seen the result and they seem not to believe their eyes when I explain how it's done.
 
xTrooperx said:
Those sarcoids look just like my mares, I have left them as seem ok at mo, but I know needs treating but looking at the cream the pictures look scary and seems to make things look worse. How long does the treatment take? And rough cost of the liverpool cream treatment.
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I think it all depends on the type of sarcoid and the depth of its root. The occult ones have been easy - they just went hard and came off and didn't cause her any pain at all. It's taken 4 months in total but that was mainly because of the wound left under her armpit. The total cost would depend on whether the vet comes out to you or you go to them. My bill's about a grand now but that included several visits and surgical removal. I would urge you to get treatment (or at least a vet's opinion) sooner rather than later though, as the bigger they get the more gruesome any treatment will be, and they can proliferate over summer because of transmission by flies.
 
please can someone advise me!! I have always believed they wouldn't use Liverpool cream near the eye??. But my mare has a sarcoid by her eye and a sarcoid on the inside of her hind leg and the vet is suggesting treating both at home, with Liverpool cream. ??? Opinions on this... It is not a big sarcoid and not particularly raised although is definitely growing significantly more recently.. For anyone who has had sarcoids treated with Liverpool cream, how successful has it been and is the horse able to be treated 'Normal ish' whilst undergoing treatment.. The vet said light exercise and I presume turnout of the flies aren't bad, fly mask etc?? Opinions and advice would be really appreciated!! Thanks in advance :)
 
Sounds like it's best to treat before it becomes too troublesome! Ours was rested but it was under where tack went.
 
ycbm said:
Over a number of years I've taken about twenty off a total of six different horses. The biggest was a nodular one about 5cm diameter, two were balls that I banded and then treated the root, ten maybe were occult, four were like warts about 1cm across. I've just done a double one close to an eye, which was worrying, but it's healed with less scarring than Liverpool cream, as all the others did too. The copper sulphate leaves a nasty raw hole, but it heals well with aloe on it. On the dry ones, you need to put the copper sulphate in cream or oil to make it stick, and apply for a few days until the sarcoid comes off. Copper sulphate can be bought as a plant fungus treatment in garden centres. Several vets have seen the result and they seem not to believe their eyes when I explain how it's done.
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That is fascinating! How did you find out about that treatment?
 
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My boy has one on his willy and some on his belly, the vets coming out next month to take photos to send to Proffesor Sarcoid at liverpool but on our yard we have one that reacted really badly to the LP cream and has since got in excess of 70 sarcoids, and due to the liverpool cream has become really badly behaved, she had the vet up and he said the best thing they can do is PTS due to the sheer amount of sarcoids... hence Im really reluctant to use LP cream! Especially on a really sensitive area! However I have heard that lasering them off has a really good success rate (I think 80% - don’t quote me on that though) so going to try and persuade the vet to go down that route – we don’t live far from a practise that can do the laser operation, it’s just hell have to go under for it!
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I've just had one lasered off my horses sheath and it was very straight forward. The vet said the Liverpool cream can cause behavioural issues and my horse is so sweet natured it would have been a shame to spoil that. He has been left with quite a large hole which is healing over and he is fab about me cleaning it and applying fly cream etc, that was my choice and I'm pleased I went that way.
 
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That is fascinating! How did you find out about that treatment?
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I mistook a sarcoid growing on a bite wound for proud flesh. Apparently, if a horse has the virus, any open wound can start growing sarcoid. Because I had previously been taught by a vet to use copper or ferrous sulphate on proud flesh, I used it. It was only when the hole disappeared completely that I realised that it had been something growing in the wound, and not the wound itself. So I did some research and realised that it had been a sarcoid. That was in 2001. Since then, I've bought a number of horses with sarcoids, and since they are a vet failure, and a risk, I have taken every one of them off. My current horse has had dozens. I've taken at least thirty of various sizes off his belly, two off his face near his eye (pictures are in the other sarcoid thread running in Vet section at the moment) and I'm in the middle of removing a patch of occult stuff from his inner thigh. I bought him with multiple sarcoids, so this was not unexpected.

Please don't try this unless you are prepared to create bloody open wounds to ensure all the virus is dead. Annoying them but failing to kill them is a recipe for disaster. I can't, of course, take any responsibility for how things work out, I can only say that it works for me, time and again on multiple horses. And if you are out of insurance or at your wits end, I'm happy to try to help if anyone pms me.

Pictures on here:

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?696850-Sarcoids-Young-gelding
 
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