Sarcoids - treatment with Liverpool Cream

Regandal said:
Thank you. Does the horse eventually become immune?
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I think it depends on the horse.. I've never had one regrow or any pop up anywhere else except on this latest horse. But he came to me with a dozen of them in a ring around his umbilical cord. It's my belief that he was infected through his umbilical cord before he had a proper immune system. I know he was then badly managed because he also came to me very thin and covered in ringworm, all over his body. I don't think he ever had a chance to get a decent immune system going. He's been well cared for for one year now, and I'm hopeful that he will be strong enough to stop any more developing, but I'm not holding my breath. I'll just take them off as they appear. I'm just grateful to have him, I could never have justified paying what he was worth if he hadn't had them, and he's a lovely horse.
 
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Hi OP. How is your horse doing? I hope the wound is healing well. I had the vet out today, we are going to send pictures to Liverpool. So I guess we will be going down the same route as you �� fingers crossed it works.
 
katherine1975 said:
Hi OP. How is your horse doing? I hope the wound is healing well. I had the vet out today, we are going to send pictures to Liverpool. So I guess we will be going down the same route as you �� fingers crossed it works.
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Well, it's not going well to be honest. The wound always get to a certain point, looks like it's healing really well and then will split open again. Since my last post she's probably had two more surgeries on it, to cut away proud flesh. We had to give up on the box rest as we suspected the lack of movement wasn't helping and also to preserve her sanity. It's been 7 months now and I'm not sure where we're going to go from here. Another vet from the same practice came out to cast a fresh eye on it, and she, like the original vet, is baffled. It's very, very unusual for it not to have healed in all this time. We've tried everything from silver spray, manuka honey, stitching to vulketan gel. Because the situation is so unusual the vet suspected she could have Cushings so ran a test but she didn't. She also did a full blood screen and everything came back normal. So we're totally stumped. I think the next step will be to take another biopsy to see if there's some sarcoid tissue left. Good luck with your horse katherine1975. It hasn't all been bad with mine by the way; the occult sarcoids just went hard and fell off leaving no wound :)
 
Bojingles - I'm sorry to hear that your horse is not healing well. I have sent my photographs to the vet today. The vet suggested that I could use bloodroot ointment and apply it myself. I'm really unsure what to do but will wait to hear back from Liverpool.
 
I need to update the information I put on this thread about treating sarcoids with copper sulphate. I had never had a failure until I used it on a horse I bought with multiple sarcoids on his belly and face and a history of seeding new ones. I posted pictures of his face completely healed. It had been healed for months. Then I took him to a three day camp and he was very stressed by being away from home even though I took his friend as well..

Within two weeks of getting home, he had popped out three new ones on his belly, a new one in a completely new area in front of his girth, and then his face scar went red, and after treatment some of the scar tissue came off to reveal the sarcoid growing again underneath.

Unfortunately, it's well known in these horses with multiples that they can flare up any time the horse is stressed, which is why people so often think a vet has missed one on vetting a new horse, because the change of home causes stress and away they go. They seem to appear overnight.

So, getting to the point, I still believe that I get at least as good a result from copper sulphate as Liverpool cream, but I can no longer claim that I have never had one regrow.

I don't regret buying this horse for one moment, he's wonderful, but it's looking like I'm in for a lifelong battle to keep the darned things under control :(

To reassure people, he is under the supervision of a vet who says I am doing as well as he can.
 
ycbm said:
I need to update the information I put on this thread about treating sarcoids with copper sulphate. I had never had a failure until I used it on a horse I bought with multiple sarcoids on his belly and face and a history of seeding new ones. I posted pictures of his face completely healed. It had been healed for months. Then I took him to a three day camp and he was very stressed by being away from home even though I took his friend as well..

Within two weeks of getting home, he had popped out three new ones on his belly, a new one in a completely new area in front of his girth, and then his face scar went red, and after treatment some of the scar tissue came off to reveal the sarcoid growing again underneath.

Unfortunately, it's well known in these horses with multiples that they can flare up any time the horse is stressed, which is why people so often think a vet has missed one on vetting a new horse, because the change of home causes stress and away they go. They seem to appear overnight.

So, getting to the point, I still believe that I get at least as good a result from copper sulphate as Liverpool cream, but I can no longer claim that I have never had one regrow.

I don't regret buying this horse for one moment, he's wonderful, but it's looking like I'm in for a lifelong battle to keep the darned things under control :(

To reassure people, he is under the supervision of a vet who says I am doing as well as he can.
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Oh sorry.... you have had such good success to date as well. Thanks for updating us all.

I just wish someone would find a fool-proof cure for them....they are the bane of my life, and my poor gelding's.
 
Quick update on Bella. Since she's been out 24/7, the wound has been healing better, but it's still there. As the inflammation from various surgeries has subsided, I have a horrible feeling that one of the margins is a new, occult sarcoid. It has that flat, hard, grey appearance. I'll get the vet out and let you know. Best of luck to everyone battling them!
 
Bojingles said:
Quick update on Bella. Since she's been out 24/7, the wound has been healing better, but it's still there. As the inflammation from various surgeries has subsided, I have a horrible feeling that one of the margins is a new, occult sarcoid. It has that flat, hard, grey appearance. I'll get the vet out and let you know. Best of luck to everyone battling them!
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Oh I do hope not, but get onto it quickly if it is before it gets a hold and spreads. I've got all my boy's new ones out now, his face is just shedding the dead stuff and it's not very deep. Now it's fingers crossed as they heal.

Good luck with yours.

Today I read about a herpes virus based treatment which is effective against skin cancer in humans, so I hope that approach will also work I horses.
 
I have just spoken to the vet. Treatment should be starting next week when he has the cream. She will need 3 applications 48 hours apart & last one 72 hours after that. Hope it works!
 
One of my horses is due is 5th treatment of Liverpool Cream tomorrow. Fortunately it does not seem to bother him and my vet who is very keen to sedate has been happy to apply the cream without sedation. My biggest concern is that there has been so little swelling or reaction that it may not be working.
 
My 4-year old has a small (about 3mm) nodular sarcoid on his inner thigh, very close to his femoral artery. Treatment with Liverpool cream starts next week, Leahurst have recommended three treatments.
I'm worried about flies but think we'd best treat it asap while it's tiny than risk it growing or spreading if we wait another month or two, particularly as it appeared pretty much overnight.
Anyone used the cream for a nodular sarcoid close to a blood vessel? How much bleeding is likely? How long does it take for the sarcoid to fall off?
 
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