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Hi we are going to look at a horse next week aged 9 but have been told he has 3 flat sarcoids that have not given him any trouble. Can anyone offer advice please, do I walk away from this horse?
 
Mine had a cluster just inside his back leg.
I already owned him.
Vet suggested no treatment unless they changed.

One day about 5 yrs ago they did. We had a course of the cream from Liverpool vets and it cleared it up and never come back. I think the treatment cost about £300, although I did the transport to the clinic

If you really like the horse then get your vet to check it and listen to theiroopinion.

I would take on another horse with them but only if they were in an area where it's easy to treat and doesn't get affected by the tack
 
I have a horse which had sarcoids which were successfully treated with the Liverpool cream, and I would NEVER buy a horse with pre-existing sarcoids. They can turn very nasty indeed.
 
I have had 3 horses with sarcoids. One I bought nievely not realising that it had a sarcoid on its face. Thisvin itself was not a problem but it did suddenly develop several la4ge aggressive sarcoids on its stomach. This horse was bought to sell on so I didn't seek treatment but sold on at a massive loss. Its value more than halved because of the sarcoids as no vet would recommend purchase. I then had another superb show jumper who developed one on her eye lid. I treated this straight away with bcg very effectively at the cost of sround £1000. The sarcoid didn't return but she did develop one on her groin which I hsd treated with liverpool cream. I sold her around 1yr later due to personal circumstances and was very honest about her previous history. As fas as I know they have not re occurred. Then theres my mare that I will never part with. She started with a couple and they very quickly spread. She has around 30 now. We have tried liverpool cream twice, blood root cream, sarc ex, thuja cream amongst other things. I have just had to have her armpit lasered as she had large ones. This caused a whole the size of 2 tennis balls and in excess of 3 months recovery. She is riddled and thry just keep popping up. The heartache of it is awful as it has hampered her show jumping career. This mare I would never part with but given the situation she would be unsaleable anyway. I used to say I would buy a horse with sarcoids if they weren't in tack areas. I have no doubt that at some point I will eventually have to make a very uncomfortable decision about my beloved mare. Having been what I have been through I would now never buy a horse with existing sarcoids as they are incredibly unpredictable. You also need to tjink about resale. Should your situation change and u have to sell the horse on you will find it incredibly difficult to do so. Imo its not worth the risk or heartache.
 
monstermunch said:
I have had 3 horses with sarcoids. One I bought nievely not realising that it had a sarcoid on its face. Thisvin itself was not a problem but it did suddenly develop several la4ge aggressive sarcoids on its stomach. This horse was bought to sell on so I didn't seek treatment but sold on at a massive loss. Its value more than halved because of the sarcoids as no vet would recommend purchase. I then had another superb show jumper who developed one on her eye lid. I treated this straight away with bcg very effectively at the cost of sround £1000. The sarcoid didn't return but she did develop one on her groin which I hsd treated with liverpool cream. I sold her around 1yr later due to personal circumstances and was very honest about her previous history. As fas as I know they have not re occurred. Then theres my mare that I will never part with. She started with a couple and they very quickly spread. She has around 30 now. We have tried liverpool cream twice, blood root cream, sarc ex, thuja cream amongst other things. I have just had to have her armpit lasered as she had large ones. This caused a whole the size of 2 tennis balls and in excess of 3 months recovery. She is riddled and thry just keep popping up. The heartache of it is awful as it has hampered her show jumping career. This mare I would never part with but given the situation she would be unsaleable anyway. I used to say I would buy a horse with sarcoids if they weren't in tack areas. I have no doubt that at some point I will eventually have to make a very uncomfortable decision about my beloved mare. Having been what I have been through I would now never buy a horse with existing sarcoids as they are incredibly unpredictable. You also need to tjink about resale. Should your situation change and u have to sell the horse on you will find it incredibly difficult to do so. Imo its not worth the risk or heartache.
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I'm with Monstermunch on this and going through an almost identical scenario. My mare developed 3 around her udder when she was about 5. I had them treated with the Liverpool cream and they went, never to return. I lost her at 18 to an unrelated condition.

Her son now has sarcoids. His started at 4 with one on his sheath. Within 12 months it was 12, and they had spread to the front legs, armpit, and one on his face. He has been treated with the Liverpool cream after trying Bloodroot, Thuja, Sarc-ex, toothpaste, veruca cream etc....Some have gone with the Liverpool cream, but some have morphed from the verrucal type into the nodular following treatment. Two have been banded and both came back. He must have about 30 now, some of which are the small seed varieties. I'm now waiting for the second round of Liverpool Cream, but am feeling much the was Monstermunch is at the moment. He has been bred for dressage, and is the best and final in my breeding line, and so I am gutted. Fortunately the one nearest the tack can be avoided by using a narrower dressage girth at the moment.

And so, had someone asked me the question about buying a horse with a sarcoid perhaps 12 months ago, based on my experience then, I would probably said if the horse was what you wanted and you had an open mind, then go ahead. But sadly my recent experience, and the sleepless nights and cost that have gone with it, means that I would now say, avoid.
 
Another vote for walk away. Bought a horse that subsequently developed sarcoids. Long story short - a year of painful expensive treatment & horse was PTS due to a massive internal abcess. Can't help feeling it was all linked, but didn't get vet to discuss that too much as he was no longer insured for sarcoid treatment.
 
Walk away. There are plenty of horses out there without sarcoids, go for one of them. My 22 year old gelding has a sarcoid on his sheath, and the prospect of putting him through the Liverpool cream treatment makes me feel awful but I think I'll have to do it. I've had him for 10 years, and this is the first one he's had. I wouldn't buy a 9year old horse with a sarcoid, you could be facing years of expensive and uncomfortable treatment and the prospect of not being able to sell him on.
 
I have had horses with sarcoids over the year, nothing major though.

If you really like the horse then get your Vet to have a look, though they won't be covered by insurance, and I would want it to be reflected heavily in the price.
 
If you like the horse, then get him vet-checked and particularly ask the vet for their opinion on the sarcoids. is difficult for you to decide without having seen him and having veterinary advice - could be the horse of your dreams!
 
lizzi2 said:
If you like the horse, then get him vet-checked and particularly ask the vet for their opinion on the sarcoids. is difficult for you to decide without having seen him and having veterinary advice - could be the horse of your dreams!
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I agree with this. I bought my mare knowing she has 2 flat sarcoids. Neither of which are issues and neither are in a tack area. Lately, sarcoids have been the least of my worries!
She passed her 5stage vetting for eventing. I hope once she's all better we can start on that.

If the horse sounds good, go see it. Get it vetted and get vets opinion.
 
There is one important thing to remember about sarcoids - and that is they are contagious! We would not have nearly as many sarcoids floating around the horse world if people treated them QUICKLY - and NOT with backyard treatments!

Liverpool Cream, Laser, rubber ringing with cryosurgery all work well - which you choose should depend on the type/location of sarcoid. Some sarcoids CAN just drop off - people who've been using some of the backyard treatments who have this hppen rave about the treatment (others who use the treatments with NO result tend to keep quiet!)

I've just treated 4 x 2 year olds - thanks to a 5 year old who came in for backing covered with the bloody things! They were all small - but no WAY would I leave them alone. If you get rid of the first sarcoid fast, chances are you'll have no more problems!
 
My vet said there is no.evidence they are contagious. My horse with sarcoids (he had 6) lived in a herd of 12 on a yard with 40 + horses. He was the only 1 to develop any sarcoids, nearly a year of treatment & still no-one else on the yard with any.
 
w1bbler said:
My vet said there is no.evidence they are contagious. My horse with sarcoids (he had 6) lived in a herd of 12 on a yard with 40 + horses. He was the only 1 to develop any sarcoids, nearly a year of treatment & still no-one else on the yard with any.
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I don't think there IS any documented 'evidence' (yet) but it can take more than a year for new infections to be seen, depending on a number of factors. The first horse to be re-infected is usually the horse who has the sarcoids first (horse has 1, then 2, then maybe more - like yours!) If they aren't reated quickly, then you might see a nearby horse with 1 in anything from 6 to 18 months. And then you see another, and another!
 
I've not read all the replies but thought I would tell u my story.
I have had my horse for 2.5 years now, when I had him vetted he had sarcoids on his sheath, Nodular and varicose. The vet said I wouldn't worry due to being no where near tack and he passed his 5 stage vetting. I got the existing owner to pay for Liverpool cream and after that is my responsibility.
I took him and he was very stressed with the move and surroundings, I soon moved again and he settled. The Liverpool cream only worked on a couple of sarcoids. I was intending to get it re done at the end of summer. In the meantime I put him on global herbs restore (liver tonic) after the first 1ltr bottle I noticed a difference so I got another, his sarcoids started popping out and dropping off. As to do overdose him I did it every few months, was a stubborn flat one that wouldn't go. I then found out he had ulcers so moved him to live out as much as possible, treated him with gastrogard and he is now happy and sarcoid free :) I still give him restore every 3 months to keep them away but so far so good.

I would only walk away if there were a lot and in the way of tack, also if they look angry.

Is the horse at a discounted price for this?
 
I was given an Arab mare that had 3 sarcoids 1 at the corner of her eye and 1 each side of the inner part of her front legs. As treating the one by her eye would not be easy I used homeopathic treatment , with very good results.
 
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