Scales of Training/Walk & Trot Tests

Hmmm agree with you there FMC. Reading this thread certainly won't encourage people to "have a go" will it....
At unaff there are hardly many entries for a walk and trot tests anyway, and they are a great way of getting youngsters out and about without putting too much pressure on them.
It is the training (or lack of it) which is at fault regardless of what classes there are available to enter, be it unaff or aff. I think BD/BE/BSJA either embraces the wider market or becomes less attainable via competence exams, etc. Although in reality, they do have to make money. JMO though.
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Hmmm agree with you there FMC. Reading this thread certainly won't encourage people to "have a go" will it....
At unaff there are hardly many entries for a walk and trot tests anyway, and they are a great way of getting youngsters out and about without putting too much pressure on them.
It is the training (or lack of it) which is at fault regardless of what classes there are available to enter, be it unaff or aff. I think BD/BE/BSJA either embraces the wider market or becomes less attainable via competence exams, etc. Although in reality, they do have to make money. JMO though.
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where do you live ill bring my youngster to your unaffilaited then we have millions of Walk and trot entries at the shows i go to meaning the novice tests are at 5pm !! the show starts at 9am !
 
And also, what about people with horses doing the Novice or elem classes, who might want to get their just started baby horses out. Easy to chuck them on the lorry and take them along to do a W&T test.
 
I confess we get some super young warmblood horses in our W&T unaffiliated tests.

Im afraid I am all for inclusivity and let the system sort the wheat from the chaff.

Hopefully the system guides people into undertaking more training and therefore improving their marks.

Its not all about winning medals! And those that cant, support those that can - financially!
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Really?! There are hardly any walk and trot tests included our way and when there are there's only about 5 entries anyway! Can see why that would be frustrating tbh.
 
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Hopefully the system guides people into undertaking more training and therefore improving their marks.

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Hopefully, yes, but in reality it dosent always.........
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But chances are the elementaries wont run as there wont be enough time! Round by me the lower prelim and novices are always full and the elementaries dont start whilst late afternoon. Adding another class will mean no advanced classes or classes thatr run on till late evening. I know where my horse would rather be at that time.
 
I judge at unaffiliated and I am not listed. There is no way I am going to get listed either.
I do not want to do a lot of judging, I do what I do because I enjoy it and I like to help - yes help - competitors at lower levels (especially those beginning) to improve and to that end I try to make the comments less correct terminology and more something that they can understand and work on. I train with a very good judge who helps me a lot on that side as well as the normal parts of my lessons I also write for and get feedback from affiliated judges on how I judge and mark tests.

I am not going to do the BD listings as the training is mostly midweek and I work full time and have my horses to do after work, there is little enough holiday entitlement here without using it for that
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I have done more than enough exams for my work and no way am I going to any more even if it is for dressage.

I know that not all unlisted judges are consistant, but it would be nice if there was some recognition of the fact that if it was not for us a lot of the unaffiliated shows would not have judges and not be able to run. Yes there should be trained judges, but how are we supposed to train if (taking aside the opportunities I have) we cannot do the BD training because if we are not registered as a trainee we cannot do the judge training sessions? If BD would open up the sessions (especially those that are at weekends) to those of us who WANT to mprove and learn more there would be a lot more good unaffiliated judges around as I'm sure I am not the only one who would be interested.

I just wonder how many of those who ride at a good level and who say that unaff judges are crap would bother doing what I have done and not only learnt about judging, but would give their time to go out and spend the best part of a day of what free time they do have judging at an unaffiliated show. Oh, and I have judged people who have reported on here, and who appear to have been quite happy with me
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I have also got involved in another website and we are offering unaffiliated shows a choice of W&T tests and are supplying rosettes for the shows that run them, I am also working on something to explains in simple english the movements and what the judge is looking for and why, plus the do's and don't about collecting ring ettiquette, so perhaps a few people will look and gradually word will spread and we will get better mannered riders.
 
Good for you Calaf, there are lots of very good unaff judges in Essex (also some not so good) but its great to know you do all that - can you let us know the other website please?
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I was saying how good unaffliated judging was in my area actually! It was others who were saying it wasnt good in there areas. Ive never had a problem in mine - as posted above!

However i do know that in some areas it isnt consistant. Its great that you get help from another judge - they need more people like you.
 
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But chances are the elementaries wont run as there wont be enough time! Round by me the lower prelim and novices are always full and the elementaries dont start whilst late afternoon. Adding another class will mean no advanced classes or classes thatr run on till late evening. I know where my horse would rather be at that time.

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Exactly - normally the prelims and novices are really full up, and the elementaries start late enough as it is.

But as yet we dont know what BD plan on doing with the new 'Introductory' test - would be nice to find out tho!
 
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Also remember our conversation and I said that the RC dressage I did was of a far higher standard than some of the affliated I had done
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I find that really odd tho
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But i do remember talking about it!
 
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If someone wants to pay their money, affiliate and compete, then it is THEIR choice to do so - we live in a free country! Maybe they have a new horse, are getting over an injury, horse is coming back into work - WHATEVER, but they have as much right to be at a comp that you, me, Carl, Anky or Spencer does!

TBH I have found this thread to have ever such an air of "looking down ones nose" at others who are game enough to give it a go, even if the scales of training are not their be all and end all - their dressage is probably a hobby and good for them for getting out and giving it a go!
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In a thread in the lounge about a rider wanting to throttle the YOs dog for jumping into the arena, the gen consensus was that our horses must be as desensitised as possible - whilst I know we cannot always have eyes in the back of our heads, horses are unpredictible and there will always be collecting ring idiots but that is the chance we take when we go into a collecting ring.
 
Whatever you may think of me (and i know full well you dont like me) this post is not about looking down noses at people. It is about people understanding the basics of the scales of training. If people want to affliate its up to them, noone is stopping them - i was simply making a point that not many people seem to know what the scales of training are these days. (if you read my OP properly in the first place tho, you would realise this).
 
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TBH I was quite looking forward to doing some BD with my next horse, but the attitudes in this thread has totally put me off ever affiliating!

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Oh Weezy don't be put off - we are quite a nice bunch, I have met many lovely people through dressage!
 
maybe BD should introduce what the BSJA did and have different level of shows so intro level, the next one then advanced

so intro would be W+T, Prelim and novice

Next would be PRellim novice and elimentary

next would be
novice, elementary, medium

then so on and so on ???

and each show centre had to hold a certain amount intro etc per season ??
 
How could I not like you P_G, I have never met you! I may not agree with every post you make, but that doesn't make me not like you, it just means we have different views on things - Jesus, ask BBs, she is my best friend but we disagree (vocally) on loads of things!

I simply disagree with the tone of a lot of posts on this thread, not just yours by any account, and the thread has meandered from your OP statement into who should be permitted to ride in affiliated competitions - I read the whole thread from start to finish before I posted and I stand by what I have written.
 
sounds like a good idea to me - i do think centers will have to be really carefull entry wise if BD do introduce this walk/trot test into affliated comps. But its all 'pie in the sky' as noone knows how they are going to use it anyways!!
 
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Oh Weezy don't be put off - we are quite a nice bunch, I have met many lovely people through dressage!

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I will come over to Essex for my debut then
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Stacey, I think your idea is a very good one
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Some of these replies come across as very blinkered opinions. Scales of training are not the only method of training a horse you know! Different countries and different trainers have moved the boundaries a bit and probably improved on them in places. Every horse is different. There are many roads to Rome.
Just because someone isnt training their horse in your particular way does that really mean they shouldnt be enjoying competing their horse at BD competitions??!!
 
No, but you think im a snob, and you also think i look down on people - youve said it to me in many different posts. I also always get the impression that whatever i say you will be the one who disagrees with me. You dont even know me, so it gives you no right to judge me.

And yes, i think that the same system should be in place over here that is in place in Germany so that people getting 'examined' before they can affliate. This dosent however stop people from competing unaffliated level.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however as usual ive been targeted just because ive spoken out rather than gone along with the 'norm' like a sheep
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Sorry Weezy but i dont think you can tell the tone of a post from reading it - things do come across different from what people meant !!!

People arnt being nasty and things have been taken wrongly - why does this always happen in posts !!
 
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