Scaroid right by his eye.....

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Solar has been diagnosed with a scaroid right by his eye, i wouldn't normally worry too much about them but he can't have cream on it due to it's location, so we have been told just to leave it and watch it in the hope it'll either disappear or not grow anymore, if it grows anymore and effects his sight he'll need to be put down. The vet said we can operate but it'll come back again and again, and we will not put him through all of that. He is a shy boy as it is this wouldn't be good for him at all.

He is only 3 in May!!!! He is happy and otherwise healthy at the mo, so we need vibes to help it go or stop growing at least.

We are going to start him on Golbal herbs Scar-ex in the hope that boosting his immune levels will help it go.

Really hope a call to the kennels is not needed!!!!

Anyone had this problem????? please tell me the good stories. :(:o
 
I know it sounds extreme but the vet said it is the type that will just keep coming back and with more aggression each time. Do we really want to put him through all this horrible treatment and surgery for it to keep coming back.

Not got to this yet.....fingers crossed it never will.
 
Sammii819 said:
I know it sounds extreme but the vet said it is the type that will just keep coming back and with more aggression each time. Do we really want to put him through all this horrible treatment and surgery for it to keep coming back.

Not got to this yet.....fingers crossed it never will.
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Surgical option is not necessary 'horrible treatment'.

But as you say, hopefully it won't come to that.
 
Hi Sammii819 yes I had exactly this same problem with a pony and we treated the sarcoid successfully. Despair not - I used Camrosa cream and it did take around 3 months of daily application BUT it did work and the pony looked fab with the sarcoids gone. Camrosa is really gentle and will cause no harm if it gets into the eye, whereas other sarcoid creams are very caustic. I have just found an old thread about sarcoids and Camrosa and there are mxed opinions - I can only give you my experience and suggest you maybe talk to Camrosa and your vet? Good Luck!

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=152929
 
If it is still growing i would get it treated with something that you have heard good reports about - BCG injection maybe? Neeme? If its not growing i would leave well alone as you could really upset it and make it more aggressive and make sarcoides come up in more places. That said tho, Liverpool believe that if a young horse has a sarcoide it the better of being treated asap as they reposnd better to treatment and are less likely to come back. Have Liverpool Uni done a report on it? Would be worth it just so it gives you an idea of where to go, even tho they cant treat it they can give you an idea of where to go and what to take in to account. In the mean time do not prod and poke at it!

Fingers crossed for you.
 
The vet has told us to leave well alone as lancing it to find out what kind will make it worse. So we need to just keep an eye on it and hope it doesn't get any bigger, just a pain as to where it is.
 
Why don't you discuss the possability of Iridium Wire Therapy?

I have known 2 horses to have sarcoids around eyes and both have been successfully treated with this method at the AHT in Newmarket. It has the greatest likleyhood of success (98%) and won't upset your horse for months on end.

Here is the link to the procedure list at AHT, it is about 3/4 of the way down the page.

http://www.aht.org.uk/equine_procedures.html#wire

Seeing as this horse is so young, would it not make sense to get rid of it and give it the best chance??
 
My horse had a sarcoid on his lower eyelid at the base of the lashes. We had to remove it as it started to touch the eyeball. The first time it grew back and we removed it again after about a year, that was 10 years ago now and it's been fine ever since. It was a fairly simple operation performed under heavy sedation and local.
 
Have you discussed having BCG injections?

The WB chestnut in my album that I used to ride had a sarcoid in the corner of his eye, as well as a few other small ones, one by the elbow and groin area, he obviously couldn't have the LC on the one in the eye area (not that it was used on the others either) so he had series of BCG injections, all gone, the one on his eye actually went very quickly, very impressed with the results.
 
My 5yo is back from Liverpool after iridium treatment for a sarcoid on his left eyelid. I was advised that removal can often mean they come back more aggressive and wasn't an option as far as I was concerned. Wanted to to BCG injections, again couldn't due to the location - bit too close to his eye. Only options were to leave and risk further problems as it kept growing after a biopsy on it or refer to Prof Knottenbelt @ Leahurst in Liverpool for iridium wire traetment.

He's been back a week and apart from having a nasty looking eyelid and droppping weight seems fine. In 4-6 weeks it starts to die and is messy and then it should all be gone in 12-14 months and that should be the end of sarcoids *fingers crossed* If you search on here there are a few other threads about the wire treatment. I wondered endlessly about how he would react but it seems the younger they are the better they deal with it.

I'm sure there are more options than leaving it and hoping :)
 
Has your vet sent photos to Derek Knottenbelt at Liverpool. He will be able to give you the best options for treatment for your horse, which may well be iridium wires now or at a later date. In the meantime, please do not put ANYTHING on the sarcoid, especially things like camrosa or aloe vera. Creams like that are designed to stimulate cell growth - at best, camrosa will have no effect, at worst it will make the sarcoid 10x worse and by the sounds of it this may end up in PTS for your horse.

Sarcoids are a form of skin cancer - if you had skin cancer, would you put a nice little dab of camrosa on it or would you go to a doctor for specialist treatment? Prof Knottenbelt has some horrendous photos of sarcoids that owners have self treated with camrosa, including one that started off as a small peri-ocular sarcoid and ended up as a mass covering half of the horses face.
 
Camrosa is NOT gentle and the manufacturers do NOT advise for treating sarcoids.

Are your vets 100% sure it's a sarcoid? Young horses often get warty things on their face before their immune systems are mature. If left strictly alone, these warty things drop off all by themselves. If definitely a sarcoid (have you had a biopsy done?) there's been an interesting thread on iridium implants for sarcoids ckose to or even IN the eye. Might be worth doing a search on here.
 
If I had a horse with a sarcoid (and I have said this loads of times on here) I would take it to Chris Shepherd at Willesley, he has his own sarcoid powder, he lightly scuffs the surface of the sarcoid and then dabs abit of his powder on the sarcoid with a cotton bud, then you leave it, it takes quite a few weeks but the sarcoid suddenly falls out and is gone. It is far far cheaper than the cream, doesn't bother the horse and has worked on every sarcoid i've seen it used on and none have ever returned.
 
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At 3 I reckon his immune system isn't fully up to speed. It may also disappear of its own accord when he's 4. I agree eyes are not ideal sarcoid sites, but I'd definitely go with the best veterinary advice and recognised routes of treatment. If you feel the need to do anything else, homeopathic stuff is possibly the 'safest', but alongside rather than instead of conventional things.
 
As Murphy88 says, I'd recommend you ask your vet to refer your horse to Derek Knottenbelt at Liverpool Uni - he's an expert on sarcoids and their treatment (their website is very useful), and has a very good success rate. If your horse is insured, it's worth bearing in mind that cost of treatment of the sarcoid will usually only be covered for 12 months from the date it was first noted. I'd also be very wary of treating sarcoids with anything other than something your vet has specifically prescribed. Best of luck with it all, fingers crossed for you.
 
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