Sec D x Warmblood - any experiences?

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I'm looking for a youngster at the moment with a view to breaking and bringing on next summer. Mainly been looking at TBs and TBx with a few ID and ISH types as well. I've just come across a Sec D x WB mare who looks amazing, and is only a few £££ over budget.

Has anyone got any experience with cross? Anything I should be wary of?
 
My lad is cross welsh D ... and is a nightmare (re: broken spine etc). Welsh D`s tend to be quirky (understatement) ... In my finding they`re either amazing, or else don`t touch with a barge pole, and I`ve known more "don`t touch with a barge pole" than anything thing else.
 
Welsh D's were meant for carriage driving not riding, their trot is the best bit, canter is usually quite horrific and the welsh is hot headed or calm as a cucumber.. either one - never the middle! The warmblood is a powerful big breed depending on "what" it was. (ie, Holsteiner, Swedish Warmblood etc) they are usually quite good alrounders but I again have found them to be pretty hot.. Why don't you go see the horse and if you don't like then walk away?
 
I had a Welsh d x wb she was too sharp for my liking, lived life on the edge, weaved for England. My friend now owns her and they are happy as sand boys. I have a full Welsh d now who I've had from a unhandled yearling, he's 4 now backed him myself the year and he is an utter joy, just an amazing little horse
 
I've got a Welsh x KWPN and she's lovely! A bit spooky, but a tantrum is a few seconds of rocking horse about 6 inches off the ground, and she's only done it twice in 3 years. She's great to deal with on the ground and a fantastic jumper. I'm not sure what section Welsh she is as I can't find anything online about her dam, but she is from Samber bloodlines on the KWPN side.
 
Tern said:
Welsh D's were meant for carriage driving not riding, their trot is the best bit, canter is usually quite horrific and the welsh is hot headed or calm as a cucumber.. either one - never the middle! The warmblood is a powerful big breed depending on "what" it was. (ie, Holsteiner, Swedish Warmblood etc) they are usually quite good alrounders but I again have found them to be pretty hot.. Why don't you go see the horse and if you don't like then walk away?
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Actually welsh cobs are bred to ride and drive and I don't think it is fair to describe the whole breed as as having horrific canters mine are jolly comfortable thank you very much!
 
Tern said:
Welsh D's were meant for carriage driving not riding, their trot is the best bit, canter is usually quite horrific and the welsh is hot headed or calm as a cucumber.. either one - never the middle! The warmblood is a powerful big breed depending on "what" it was. (ie, Holsteiner, Swedish Warmblood etc) they are usually quite good alrounders but I again have found them to be pretty hot.. Why don't you go see the horse and if you don't like then walk away?
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My current girl is a D, though bred for eventing/SJ as is much finer than the average. Most people (including the vet) always think she's a TBx and are surprised when I tell them her breeding, with the vet suspecting that 'her' passport wasn't hers until we scanned the microchip. She moves very big for a little horse and has a v uphill canter.
I'm considering going to view the WBx but part of me is thinking that it's not what I wanted - I set out with an idea of the type and she's not it! Which happened last time and is how I ended up with my D :p. I've asked for videos of the mare loose from the seller, I think the quality of her canter is going to be the deciding factor for me.

DCJACE said:
My lad is cross welsh D ... and is a nightmare (re: broken spine etc). Welsh D`s tend to be quirky (understatement) ... In my finding they`re either amazing, or else don`t touch with a barge pole, and I`ve known more "don`t touch with a barge pole" than anything thing else.
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I'm sorry to hear he's ill :(. I've got one of 'quirky' Ds, though she's never nasty, just opinionated and doesn't think before doing something.


Tbh my ideal situation would be to put my current mare to a TB or ISH eventing/SJ stallion, but I've always said that a horse needs to prove it's useful before it should be bred. And the market is so saturated I'd feel really guilty :(.
 
My sec d x Dutch warmblood was a lunatic, cost 6k, 3yrs and some of the best proffessionals in the country to break, was told by several proffessionals to shoot him, he broke my mums neck. Drilled me into the floor many many times, was the sharpest horse I've ever sat on and had no regard for his own safety let alone mine!
 
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Rhodders said:
I had a Welsh d x wb she was too sharp for my liking, lived life on the edge, weaved for England. My friend now owns her and they are happy as sand boys. I have a full Welsh d now who I've had from a unhandled yearling, he's 4 now backed him myself the year and he is an utter joy, just an amazing little horse
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I bought my current D as a riding away 3 year-old, I recently found out that she'd only been sat on 10 times and never cantered under saddle or hacked out. She's been difficult at times but otherwise a dream to bring on.

Interesting you mention a Hann x, breeder up the road from me has a Hanoverian stallion and he's desperate to put him to my mare.

Cowpony said:
I've got a Welsh x KWPN and she's lovely! A bit spooky, but a tantrum is a few seconds of rocking horse about 6 inches off the ground, and she's only done it twice in 3 years. She's great to deal with on the ground and a fantastic jumper. I'm not sure what section Welsh she is as I can't find anything online about her dam, but she is from Samber bloodlines on the KWPN side.
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Sounds like you've got what I'd like a few years down the line :). I suppose it partly comes down to the bloodlines etc.
 
i'd have a look - could turn out to be a very useful sort! i wouldn't view or not view a nice horse based on the characteristics of its breed, each horse is different and for every horse which lives up to its bree characteristics there are also those that don't! saying that i have a part bred west who is stroppy and opinionated - but she is also the best horse in the world, brave across country and very loving!
 
RhaLoulou said:
Actually welsh cobs are bred to ride and drive and I don't think it is fair to describe the whole breed as as having horrific canters mine are jolly comfortable thank you very much!
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Before you jump on me I said "canter is usually quite horrific" - note the USUALLY. Hundreds of years ago they were used for farm work and timbering, also, while we are here should I state that I put "were meant for carriage driving" - note the WERE, they are used for riding now yes but the blood of the cart cobs are still in there. Thanks very much to you too!
 
Going against the grain here! I have a welsh d x warmblood. I have had him since a yearling. He is the easiest horse I have ever had! Have backed and bought him on myself, he is now 5 and we are starting to do a few fun clinics and riding club events. He has the attitude of "well ok I will give it a go if you say its ok". He can have a little jog and a prance but (touches wood!) has never reared/bucked/bolted and always feel safe on him. He lives in or out and is not worried about who he has as company. He is a powerful lad full of character and is still changing shape everyday so who knows what the end result will be!. Oh and canter is still very unbalanced!.
Also have a Welsh D who is "quirky" the saying "one hoof on world domination and one hoof on the panic button" definatly applies for that one!.
 
Could make a nice allrounder - welsh tbs make excellent competition horses, potentially this one could be just as good. I think the problem with welsh Ds is they were bred to be hard working horses, do everything every day, and they are strong so when you have a welsh on its toes it's a whole different kettle of fish to a new forest on its toes (I am generalising here, no offence to those of you that have welsh D angels you can ride on a gossamer thread) Would be worth a look anyway
 
My horse of a lifetime was 1/2 WB 1/4 Welsh D and 1/4 TB. She would do absolutely anything asked of her. Never stopped at a fence, could turn on a sixpence, and could do a very nice dressage test (was trained to medium level and could have done more if I had wanted or had the time). She also had the most loving nature I have ever come across. She had her faults. If something scared her (always smells - pigs, deer, lama etc) there was no reasoning with her. She could be bargy but that was partly my fault because I didn't want to squash her character. She was highly trainable and intelligent, and just the absolute best!
 
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Tern said:
Before you jump on me I said "canter is usually quite horrific" - note the USUALLY. Hundreds of years ago they were used for farm work and timbering, also, while we are here should I state that I put "were meant for carriage driving" - note the WERE, they are used for riding now yes but the blood of the cart cobs are still in there. Thanks very much to you too!
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I've owned and ridden lots of welshies and only known one with a yuck

I would go and have a look. If temperament is right could make a lovely sort
 
My colt was Hanovarian x Welsh D and he was the most laid back horse I have ever known. Got him at 6 months and other than jumping out of the field the first day he never batted an eyelid at anything I asked of him.

He didn't walk anywhere, jogged continuously, had the most comfortable canter ever and could jump like a stag and was brave with it. He wasn't sharp, didn't shy, buck or rear. Couldn't have asked for a better horse.
 
Yes I have one. He is 5 and I love him to bits. His mum was a 16.1 warmblood, dad a 14.1 Sec D. He is currently 17hh! He is cheeky, into everything, chews everything and can extend in trot (which my pure Sec D who competed up to Elem could never do properly!) He has taken a long time to mature mentally and is not brave at all (forget jumping fillers or passing 'scary' things first) However, he moves beautifully (IMHO) and I am hoping to affiliate him at BD in 2015.

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Tern said:
Welsh D's were meant for carriage driving not riding, their trot is the best bit, canter is usually quite horrific and the welsh is hot headed or calm as a cucumber.. either one - never the middle! The warmblood is a powerful big breed depending on "what" it was. (ie, Holsteiner, Swedish Warmblood etc) they are usually quite good alrounders but I again have found them to be pretty hot.. Why don't you go see the horse and if you don't like then walk away?
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They were bred as alrounders but some are more to the riding type whereas others are a light draft type.They have a lot of barb (modern breed Andalucian) in them and those from the south had some cart horse if you like put in them but it was never popular.Very popular as Army horses and no doubt war horses in their day.Some are now being bred for modern horse sports.There are several I gather working and competing at medium level dressage and so I hear, one doing Grand Prix.Also they make a popular cross with TBs.
 
I have a TBx Welsh. He's quite petite and light. He's fabulous, as he gets older and fitter he's getting sharper. I adore him and his larger than life character. He's a darling to have around and is incredibly trainable - tries his heart out for me!

He is very much a one person horse though. He trusts me implicitly and takes a huge amount of confidence from me.

He's also very sensitive to feed. Molasses and alfalfa are both banned in my feed room. They turn my sweet compliant horse into a fire breathing dragon of a horse. HiFi Lite is a definite no go!
 
conniegirl said:
My sec d x Dutch warmblood was a lunatic, cost 6k, 3yrs and some of the best proffessionals in the country to break, was told by several proffessionals to shoot him, he broke my mums neck. Drilled me into the floor many many times, was the sharpest horse I've ever sat on and had no regard for his own safety let alone mine!
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My experience of the cross goes something like this.

Most unpredictable thing to ride and because she looked so many innocent many tried, unfortunately she is a ruined riding horse now. She has what I would call a "worm". She would be going nicely for 40 min or so (hacking, schooling no different ) and then boom deck you even if you had a sticky bum, you will be decked in the most dangerous fashion.

Has however thrown a cracking foal. So far he's been a star to break.

That said my horse of a life time was welsh x TB x NF

And current is a welsh x hackney she is a brill horse, I'm just a crap rider when it comes to schooling a very opinionated pony I have decided.
 
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MyDogIsAnIdiot said:
I'm sorry to hear he's ill :(. I've got one of 'quirky' Ds, though she's never nasty, just opinionated and doesn't think before doing something.
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LOL ... He`s not ill, he had a huge tantrum decking me and broke my back in 2 places and my coccyx/sacrum (pelvis) lol (re the coccyx protection thread ;) .. )

I wouldn`t feel guilty if I were breeding a horse that I intended to keep :)
 
eahotson said:
They were bred as alrounders but some are more to the riding type whereas others are a light draft type.They have a lot of barb (modern breed Andalucian) in them and those from the south had some cart horse if you like put in them but it was never popular.Very popular as Army horses and no doubt war horses in their day.Some are now being bred for modern horse sports.There are several I gather working and competing at medium level dressage and so I hear, one doing Grand Prix.Also they make a popular cross with TBs.
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As far as Welsh Ds go - this.
Interestingly, when my physio first worked on my pure-bred D she remarked how similarly put together she was to Spanish horses.
 
Tern said:
Welsh D's were meant for carriage driving not riding, their trot is the best bit, canter is usually quite horrific and the welsh is hot headed or calm as a cucumber.. either one - never the middle! The warmblood is a powerful big breed depending on "what" it was. (ie, Holsteiner, Swedish Warmblood etc) they are usually quite good alrounders but I again have found them to be pretty hot.. Why don't you go see the horse and if you don't like then walk away?
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Such twaddle. My sec D has a fantastic canter and all other paces thank you very much!
 
I have a Sect D X TB and she has been a handful, to say the least but not to sure if that has been due to the TB part or the sect D part. Saying that I also have a full D gelding and he is definitely what you would call quirky so maybe it's the D in her that makes her the way she is. As to someone saying that D's were bred as carriage horses I am not sure that is correct as I always believed that they were bred for mountain sheep farmers to use in the Welsh hills to check their flocks. I would also say that my Sect D is extremely comfortable to ride and has lovely paces.
 
Where is the one you are interested in? I went to see one near Cheshire and they had a few of the same breed, totally unhonest sellers. Took me an hour to get the lady on the mare as she kept using excuses like saddle didn't fit and had been out of work for 4 days. Then the mare just reared and napped and woman got terrified! Totally put me off as think it would be quirky. I recently bought a welsh x tb as had a pony the same and was ace. She is proving to be the same so that is my preferred option of breed.
 
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