ILuvCowparsely
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am i missing something, i keep seeing welsh section A ponies 12.1hh being advertised. wrong isn't it they are 12hh max.
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Cammr
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12.2 hand is the limit for a sect A I believe?
ester
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it's 12.2
but even if they were 12.3, they could still be section As, the same as overheight connies are still connies though they could be re-registered as a B they are quite different in type and a lot of people wouldn't bother.
but even if they were 12.3, they could still be section As, the same as overheight connies are still connies though they could be re-registered as a B they are quite different in type and a lot of people wouldn't bother.
Elf On A Shelf
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Not to exceed 12hh so anything bigger is over height and wouldn't be able to be shown.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
wiki lied when I double checked lol 
I forgot to add wpcs on the end.
It seems weird when the other limit is 13.2
still section As though
I forgot to add wpcs on the end.It seems weird when the other limit is 13.2
still section As though
scruffyponies
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Lots of height variation in the welsh ponies and cobs. I have a 14.1 who was bred as a 'Section C'
If I wanted to show him, I understand he could be re-registered as a D.
Another of mine is a section A, albeit not registered. He's 12.3hh.
If I wanted to show him, I understand he could be re-registered as a D.
Another of mine is a section A, albeit not registered. He's 12.3hh.
ILuvCowparsely
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This is what I believe too
The Xmas Furry
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Many of the ones currently advertised should say Welsh section A type, or gone overheight.
If it's not 12hh and under and doesnt have full passport, then its 'of type' and not a Welsh A. Pony may be a wonderful soul, but it's not what its breeding is advertised as, is it?
Rant..... it does annoy me when folk say they have x breed of native pony, but when asked how its bred, it's not x breed at all, but x 'type' or possibly part bred and often has generic passport, grr!
More annoying when they jump on a thread about the breed and state something that is particular to the breed that their pony doesn't do....yes dear, that's because it's a part bred or type that you have labelled as a breed by guessing...... /rant over.
If it's not 12hh and under and doesnt have full passport, then its 'of type' and not a Welsh A. Pony may be a wonderful soul, but it's not what its breeding is advertised as, is it?
Rant..... it does annoy me when folk say they have x breed of native pony, but when asked how its bred, it's not x breed at all, but x 'type' or possibly part bred and often has generic passport, grr!
More annoying when they jump on a thread about the breed and state something that is particular to the breed that their pony doesn't do....yes dear, that's because it's a part bred or type that you have labelled as a breed by guessing...... /rant over.
windand rain
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Over height A's can be reregistered as b but under height b cannot be an A Axb =b axc=c overheight c can be d and axd=c all very complicated there is no such thing as an overheight welsh as they can just move up a section. E is all sections gelded
All need to be registered with the WCPS to show anything not on its pedigree green passport is not classed as welsh but of that type
The ones that annoy me is people trying to sell dartmoor hill ponies in their rainbow colours and big heights as Dartmoor Ponies registered with the DPS
All need to be registered with the WCPS to show anything not on its pedigree green passport is not classed as welsh but of that type
The ones that annoy me is people trying to sell dartmoor hill ponies in their rainbow colours and big heights as Dartmoor Ponies registered with the DPS
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Why is it different to the purebred argument over registrations for other registeries though? If both parents are verifiable of the breed it is of that breed and has to have the option of being registered as such regardless of what height it makes as an adult?
The Xmas Furry
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There is no minimum height for a B
Yes, overheight in the Welsh A and C can be moved up by application.
Agreed with the hill ponies.!
be positive
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Not sure about all the native breeds but the NF breed society will not give a full passport to an overheight pony, it gets a pb one with breeding recorded but it is not allowed into the breeding programme for pure breds, the WP&CS have always had strict standards, they have not moved to rounding up to cms so the pony must be under 12 hands/ 13.2 not 122 cms/ 138cms which has helped retain traditional types unlike the connies that are getting bigger and less typie.
windand rain
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Highland pony society dont allow overheight ponies or any with white horn on their feet including soles to be shown Stallions cannot be licensed either if they have any white anywhere on their feet and more than a 50p size star on head. All other white markings are considered not breed standard. Still registered I believe but not deemed suitable for showing or breeding
Cammr
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Welsh ponies are VERY confusing...
Some people say the only difference in A and B, and C and D, is height. Then others say they are very different categories entirely.
Some say that Welsh Ds are ponies, but no no, others say they’re just cobs. Then Welsh Cs are pony-cobs? What even is that? Aren’t they both pony-cobs?
They can’t be shown above a certain height, but purebreds of each can exceed that certain height. So what’s the point then?
I just call all of them either a Welsh mountain pony or a Welsh (pony) cob. Lol.
Some people say the only difference in A and B, and C and D, is height. Then others say they are very different categories entirely.
Some say that Welsh Ds are ponies, but no no, others say they’re just cobs. Then Welsh Cs are pony-cobs? What even is that? Aren’t they both pony-cobs?
They can’t be shown above a certain height, but purebreds of each can exceed that certain height. So what’s the point then?
I just call all of them either a Welsh mountain pony or a Welsh (pony) cob. Lol.
windand rain
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Ah but to confuse things even more you can show welsh section d no matter what height it is so there are many 15.1/2 champions from mixed breed Mountain and Moorland showing.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I think the issue was with Exmoor pony inspections and registrations.
What happens with giving a NF passport to a foal, as would happen, that then goes overheight, do they change it to PB if you tell them, but it stays as pure if you don't?
The case with highlands is what I thought windand rain, still registered as that breed but not suitable for breeding/showing.
What happens with giving a NF passport to a foal, as would happen, that then goes overheight, do they change it to PB if you tell them, but it stays as pure if you don't?
The case with highlands is what I thought windand rain, still registered as that breed but not suitable for breeding/showing.
conniegirl
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If ponies go over height then they are not of breed standard and therefore the WPCS who wants to protect the breed and its standards want to remove them from the gene pool for that type. They do allow them to move to a different section.
A Welsh B is very different to a Welsh A, C or D.
calling them all either welsh mountian ponies or welsh cobs is Ignorant
dorsetladette
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I always thought an over height A would be better placed as a C rather than a B. As you say a B is very different (especially now) to A,C and D's
conniegirl
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I completely agree,
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
There have been problems with over height Fell ponies being shown in the past and the current rules say
19.1 Following dispute, or from the measuring out at a Show, any pony suspected as being over the breed height limit of 14 hands (142.2 cm) and which is intended to be shown again, must be measured under JMB Rules within 21 days and a Certificate obtained, a copy of which must be forwarded to the Secretary for verification of measurement and height to be recorded.
19.2 Over-height ponies may be bred from and their progeny registered, provided the over-height pony does not continue to be shown as a registered Fell pony. Failure to comply will result in the pony being transferred to Section 3 (X).
19.1 Following dispute, or from the measuring out at a Show, any pony suspected as being over the breed height limit of 14 hands (142.2 cm) and which is intended to be shown again, must be measured under JMB Rules within 21 days and a Certificate obtained, a copy of which must be forwarded to the Secretary for verification of measurement and height to be recorded.
19.2 Over-height ponies may be bred from and their progeny registered, provided the over-height pony does not continue to be shown as a registered Fell pony. Failure to comply will result in the pony being transferred to Section 3 (X).
Cammr
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conniegirl
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A welsh mountain pony is a welsh section A, a welsh cob is a welsh section D.
Saying a section B or C is a mountain pony is the same as saying that TB’s and arabs are the same or that shires and clydesdales are the same.
Saying a section B or C is a mountain pony is the same as saying that TB’s and arabs are the same or that shires and clydesdales are the same.
Errin Paddywack
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My sister's welsh pony was bought as a foal in Wales by a Welsh farmer local to us in Warwickshire. He wasn't a registered pony so I would guess just a foal off the mountains. Not a pretty pony like the modern Section A's but a sturdy workmanlike up to weight 12hh pony. Tough as old boots and not a lover of children. My sister bought him off the farmer when he was about 4 or 5 and finally lost him at 30 with Cushings. That pony worked hard and played hard, he was called Mischief Maker for a reason. We both adored him and would have him back any time. He was my idea of a true Welsh Mountain pony. Likewise my Section C was just a welsh foal bought at a Welsh sale back in 1967. Not much like the modern Cs and to me far superior. My sister's current Section C is registered, has been shown, I believe successfully and has been used as a stallion but he isn't a patch on my old boy.
dorsetladette
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You'll find that type is very much a fashion thing and trends change.
My parents bred welsh ponies of all sections in the 80s and 90s. They had 2 A stallions who were as different as chalk and cheese. One a very delicate 'lead rein pony' type and the other a real old fashioned flat backed chunk that would take an adult riders leg up no trouble. We had 2 B stallions, again an old fashioned type with movement like a steam train about 13hh and a very pretty fine pony with a dainty toe flicking action. They also had 2 C stallions, a rough and read 'cob type' who was thick set and built like a cart horse (I wasn't a fan) and my late boy (clearly the best looking animal on the yard) who was an A (Twyford Sprig -for anyone who knows welsh breeding) crossed with a D mare. He took the section A traits and was more a large A than a small D. All these ponies did incredibly well in the show ring under the right judges. Some like a more sporty looking animal some like a traditional looking one, you just had to present the correct animal for the particular judges preference on the day. They were all very popular in their day jobs too.
My parents also had a welsh cob - he didn't really fit into either category of traditional or sporty 'NPS' cob. He was my mothers pride and joy, but really looking back he should of been gelded - he was so long you could get 2 saddles on his back!! He bred some nice part bred's but he never really amounted to much himself. funny how you can get so attached to an under dog - even in business.