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Skippydo

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Keep reading horror stories of tack stollen and keep meaning to postcode my mine but not sure how to.

Are there kits you can buy to do it (can't find any on the web
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) or does someone have to come out and do it? I'm not on a yard so mass marking is not an option.

Is the saddle actually stamped and what about the bridle?
Can it be done with a special pen?

Loads of questions so you can see I need your help please
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best people to answer your questions are probably your local horsewatch. had my saddle stamped only cost a £5, its on the flap behind the girth straps
 
Contact your local police and see if they do a tack marking service - Sussex Police do it for nothing, you get a unique number that is linked to you so no need to give your postcode.
 
I have seen the sussex police stamp (just 2 weeks after stamping) and it's so faint that that I suspect if a saddle was found in the back of a van on a dark night I doubt the officer would notice the stamp - and even a reasonably deeply marked saddle ID stamp could be made unreadable with an 'X' stamp in seconds without damaging the saddle. Once the mark is made unreadable then it is useless as far as identifying the owner is concerned!

What is needed has recently been put on the market - and is being advertised within these pages..... a microchip inside the saddle AND a visible I D mark engraved on the stirrup bar. A microchip with a clip-on or stick on label is not secure enough - one can be taken off and the other will fall off in time and once the visual identifier is gone who's going to know about the microchip.

Also, the microchip and any other code needs to be registered on the database that the police have knowledge of and use not some private company database that the police don't have easy access to and may not even know exists! The company advertising, who I guess I shouldn't name, register the 2 identifiers, the microchip and the stirrup bar code, free for the life of the saddle, directly onto the very database that is regularly accessed by the police directly from their patrol cars and/or radios.

pm or email me for more details.
 
You can buy a Rolson 38 piece Automatic Number and Letter Stamp Set (26138) to mark your tack yourself. Available from Halfords. (Alternatively your local rural community police officer may have a tack marking kit).

My saddles are also micro-chipped.
 
Mr Chips, I beg to differ with you.
My saddles are both marked by Sussex Police & have been for longer than 2 weeks & are VERY clear. As with freezemarking, sometimes it needs to be done again, not really the end of the world when it's a free service. I take it the microchip has to be bought. What happens if the saddle is re-flocked?
Which database are you talking about? I've never heard of such a thing.


As for selling on, when I got mine stamped, I was given a form to complete when the saddle was sold / moved owner. The new owner returns to the police who then update THEIR database.
 
I've got my saddle stamped by Surrey Police - on the inside of both panels. The mark is very clear.

I completed a description of the saddle (make, colour, size, other markings) which the Police Officer has a copy of. The saddle is marked with Surrey Police, their phone number and a unique number that traces to me.

Policeman said that if I were to sell the saddle, then I need to get recipient to sign to say they've received the saddle bearing this mark and to also advise Police of the new owner.

I've bought a battery etcher and 'hammerable' stamps and have marked a lot of my other tack and also my trailer with the same reference number.

The tack marking cost a fiver per saddle.
 
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How would stamping/microchipping work out if you wanted to sell the tack?

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Not a problem! The new owner simply registers the saddle on the same database using the same ID numbers. If a police officer discovers the saddle (somewhere) and queries the database via the police's NPC (National Police Computer) using their secure NMPR (National Mobile Property Register) system, the current owner of the saddle will show at the top of the list.

Let's say, for example, the saddle was in fact stolen and the thief tried to sell it to YOU! If it's been registered on the database I referred to you could check if it was stolen before purchasing it by querying the 'Reported Stolen' listing on the database. All you need to make that check online is the microchip or visual code number string. Either will work equally well. You would get no details other than whether it was reported stolen or not.
 
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Mr Chips, I beg to differ with you.
My saddles are both marked by Sussex Police & have been for longer than 2 weeks & are VERY clear. As with freezemarking, sometimes it needs to be done again, not really the end of the world when it's a free service. I take it the microchip has to be bought. What happens if the saddle is re-flocked?
Which database are you talking about? I've never heard of such a thing.


As for selling on, when I got mine stamped, I was given a form to complete when the saddle was sold / moved owner. The new owner returns to the police who then update THEIR database.

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Hi Dollydolls - I'm very pleased to hear that your gear is better marked than the saddles I saw. I was very surprised and the ladies at the stables assured me that they'd only been done a fortnight!

Nothing happens when the saddle is reflocked except the saddle is presumabley more comfortable for both the horse and rider but the chip will still be where it was fitted and no manner of re-flocking will remove the chip from the saddle. The system has been designed with some police input and using a Master Saddler.

Because the saddles are registered onto the police accessible database there is no need for them to receive a form and update the computer - it is done by the computer and the saddle owner. Saving police time and expense.

I will certainly give you the name of the database if you care to pm or email me.
 
Has anyone had a WOW saddle stamped? as all the parts are interchangeable you would have to have them all stamped. Also micro chip surely wouldn't work with air bags either and again that is only one part of the saddle.
 
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How would stamping/microchipping work out if you wanted to sell the tack?

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Not a problem! The new owner simply registers the saddle on the same database using the same ID numbers. If a police officer discovers the saddle (somewhere) and queries the database via the police's NPC (National Police Computer) using their secure NMPR (National Mobile Property Register) system, the current owner of the saddle will show at the top of the list.

Let's say, for example, the saddle was in fact stolen and the thief tried to sell it to YOU! If it's been registered on the database I referred to you could check if it was stolen before purchasing it by querying the 'Reported Stolen' listing on the database. All you need to make that check online is the microchip or visual code number string. Either will work equally well. You would get no details other than whether it was reported stolen or not.

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Are the ID numbers the ones stamped onto the saddle? Would you not need the old owner to do it
 
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Has anyone had a WOW saddle stamped? as all the parts are interchangeable you would have to have them all stamped. Also micro chip surely wouldn't work with air bags either and again that is only one part of the saddle.

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The microchip is put into the saddle tree and the visual code is engraved on the Stirrup bar so interchangeable parts will have any affect on the saddles ID marking. Air saddles have been successfully marked by the microchip and engrave method.
 
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How would stamping/microchipping work out if you wanted to sell the tack?

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Not a problem! The new owner simply registers the saddle on the same database using the same ID numbers. If a police officer discovers the saddle (somewhere) and queries the database via the police's NPC (National Police Computer) using their secure NMPR (National Mobile Property Register) system, the current owner of the saddle will show at the top of the list.

Let's say, for example, the saddle was in fact stolen and the thief tried to sell it to YOU! If it's been registered on the database I referred to you could check if it was stolen before purchasing it by querying the 'Reported Stolen' listing on the database. All you need to make that check online is the microchip or visual code number string. Either will work equally well. You would get no details other than whether it was reported stolen or not.

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Are the ID numbers the ones stamped onto the saddle? Would you not need the old owner to do it

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No! The new owner would need to open a database account (IT'S FREE) and register the saddle in their name. If it's not registered on the database to the new owner as far as the database is concerned it would still belong to the previous owner unless they had deleted the record off their own account. In those circumstances if the saddle was dicovered by police there would be no record of ownership and the police would go back to the chip supplier who would be able to confirm who the chip was sold to from the suppliers and the last registered owner could then be found through the Fitters records.
 
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