Sedalin without a prescription?

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The horses are due for their yearly boosters and I need a sedalin for one of the horses but the vet said they need to check her over before they can give me the sedalin.

This horse is always jumpy and last year when having her injection started to kick out and rear.
The vet carried on and the horse reared and took me with her, breaking my finger and causing ligament damage in the rest of my fingers and hand. I am still having problems to this day and cannot use my finger properly now.

It is only when the vet is there and it's injection time. The vet gave me sedaline for the farrier and because it is a year on they won't let me have one until she is checked. The problem is, once the vet is beside her, she will start and again. It's never any different.

Is there anywhere I can get sedalin online?

Thanks
 
Unless you can convince someone who has a supply of it to let you have some, then no. It is a POM for a good reason. Did you have a bridle at least on the horse, hat and gloves on yourself? I have yet to meet one that can't have a standard IM jab, IV I can understand them being funny, but not for an IM, it should be all over in seconds so no time to get badly injured or wound up.
 
Some horses can 'smell' a vet & that makes them perform.

You can't get it on line in this country without a prescription unfortunately.

I used to use sedalin for clipping one of mine. I used to call in at the vets, tell them what I wanted & why I wanted it & for which horse & they woukld dispense it to me no problem. If they insist on coming out & seeing the horse first it will cost a fortune as you'd have to pay for the visit & an examination. I think your vet taking the P a bit & trying to get extra money out of you which is unnecessary. :(
 
The rules on prescribing are they need to have seen the horse within the last 12 months in order to prescribe without seeing it, it does depends on the vets. I have done over 100 IM injections in the last 4 months, some of the mares were having up to 4 a day of Oxytocin, I was doing it at night on my own too and not one gave me any problem. Maybe ask the vet if you or an experienced person in injecting can give the jab with the vet watching.
 
Mine is a total nightmare for jabs but if we put him on the trailer so he can't really move he just stands like a lamb. He just throws his weight around because he can, not because he's bothered. He doesn't even flinch when the needle goes in, which proves he's just being a prat! If you have a trailer or lorry is it worth a try? It also keeps the vet a bit safer as they can administer it from the other side of the partition.
 
No, I don't know anyone at all!
This horse hasn't ever had a bridle on, she can't be ridden. She is a rescue and was beaten and tied up when a foal. She only allows me and a couple other near her and wasn't to bad until two years ago with the vet. Now when the vet comes in, she starts jumping and breathing loud and wants to get away.

The vet that is now retired did the damage! He called out and gave her the injection and when she moved he jumped back and left the needle in. I managed to calm her down and asked him to take the needle out of her neck. He was scared and when he got the needle and she moved again, the needle bend and she landed up with a cut and started bleeding. Her neck that night came up so big, she stopped moving around. I stayed with her until the vet came back out and she said she will be fine and not worry!
But the damage is done.

yes I had gloves on but with the force that she reared up and spun around so fast, she took me with her and it felt like my hand had left my body at the time.

in all the years of having horses, I've never seen or gone through anything like that and pray I don't any again.

I am going to call again and speak to the vet as they know what's happened and hope they understand where I am coming from. I have done so much work with her and don't want to spoil it all.

Thanks Laafet
 
annagain said:
Mine is a total nightmare for jabs but if we put him on the trailer so he can't really move he just stands like a lamb. He just throws his weight around because he can, not because he's bothered. He doesn't even flinch when the needle goes in, which proves he's just being a prat! If you have a trailer or lorry is it worth a try? It also keeps the vet a bit safer as they can administer it from the other side of the partition.
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Thanks, that's a great idea!!! :)
 
Tezzy said:
Thanks, that's a great idea!!! :)
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We got the idea from the stocks at the vet's yard. He has melanomas in his sheath and when the vet was trying to examine them he didn't like it one bit and told us as much. Vet put him in the stocks and he didn't move a muscle. We then realised that containing him is by far the best way of dealing with him. He's not nasty in terms of kicking or biting but really throws his weight around and drags you all round his stable. Once he knows he has no chance of getting away he gives in.

Just give a big feed on there afterwards so she doesn't start refusing to load!
 
Well, that was good!! Phoned and spoke to the vet and she was the one who came out last year and said without a doubt I can have the sedalin :/

The difference in vets in is amazing. I had explained it to the first vet but she wasn't interested and then to speak to the one that was there and remembers it made all the difference :)

Thanks for all your help!!
 
annagain said:
Mine is a total nightmare for jabs but if we put him on the trailer so he can't really move he just stands like a lamb. He just throws his weight around because he can, not because he's bothered. He doesn't even flinch when the needle goes in, which proves he's just being a prat! If you have a trailer or lorry is it worth a try? It also keeps the vet a bit safer as they can administer it from the other side of the partition.
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Please be very careful doing this, as if they kick off they can flip it. Also my vet put my (vet phobic) horse in stocks (basically trailer fixings in the vet room) he bucked in them caught his leg on the back door and ripped all his leg open which to this day (6months on) still hasn't healed properly.

Personally I would explain to the receptionist why you need it and if they still object asked to speak to the vet as you are doing it for there safety as well as there own and you don't want anyone to get hurt. I would also ask for a years supply so that you don't have the same thing next jab time and always keep some in stock.
 
LadyRascasse said:
Please be very careful doing this, as if they kick off they can flip it. Also my vet put my (vet phobic) horse in stocks (basically trailer fixings in the vet room) he bucked in them caught his leg on the back door and ripped all his leg open which to this day (6months on) still hasn't healed properly.

Personally I would explain to the receptionist why you need it and if they still object asked to speak to the vet as you are doing it for there safety as well as there own and you don't want anyone to get hurt. I would also ask for a years supply so that you don't have the same thing next jab time and always keep some in stock.
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If you can't bridle the horse then jabbing her in a trailer would be very dangerous IMO. Edited to add, a tube of sedalin should last you more than a year if you are only using it in these circumstances, or are you giving her a large dose. i.e. we give foals no more than a notch and adult horses no more than two and there are 10ml in a syringe!
 
Laafet said:
Unless you can convince someone who has a supply of it to let you have some, then no. It is a POM for a good reason. Did you have a bridle at least on the horse, hat and gloves on yourself? I have yet to meet one that can't have a standard IM jab, IV I can understand them being funny, but not for an IM, it should be all over in seconds so no time to get badly injured or wound up.
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I agree with this we can IM my lad very easily but putting the jab in the chest, IV is a whole different kettle of fish and i have to sedate him with domosedan gel before the vet arrives.
 
Do you need to jab every year, tet is either 2 or 3 year and there seems no need for flu if not going to parties.
You can presumably give a sedative when vet first arrives.
I would not put her thru this annually, and ask vet to use a 3 year tet on her.
would she let you do it?
 
Hi LadyRascasse, I managed to speak to the vet that came out last year and she said I can pick one up as she remembered all too well what happened.

I also spoke to my son and he said the said as you and said not to do that. He had a friend who did that a few years ago and the horse kicked out and got his leg stuck on the side and broke his hip :(
He had to be put to sleep.
 
I am really pleased that you got the sedation, putting a horse that is likely to get worked up into a confined space is such a dangerous thing to do, I don't know why anyone would risk it. Sedating is so much safe for everyone.
 
I think it depenjds on the horse. If it's a genuine phobia then it's prbably not a wise thing to do. If, like mine it's one who throws he weight around just becasue he can and he's not actually worried it can work very well. It does for mine anyway.
 
Straw poll - who thinks densitization / retraining done properly stands a chance of transforming a needle-phobic horse into one that accepts injections without fuss?

If it does work you wouldn't need sedative at all - but perhaps drugging is considered to be the easier option?
 
fburton said:
Straw poll - who thinks densitization / retraining done properly stands a chance of transforming a needle-phobic horse into one that accepts injections without fuss?

If it does work you wouldn't need sedative at all - but perhaps drugging is considered to be the easier option?
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To be honest I am surprised how many horses are supposedly phobic, the OP has a rescue so there could be more reason than others but I have had 100's of horses and ponies through my yards and places I have worked and cannot think of many that were genuinely that concerned by having an IM jab, let alone something I would label phobic, a friend had one that was difficult which I assisted the vet with, the vet and I planned what to do and the needle was in and out before the horse knew and the next times were easy as no fuss had been made by the people involved, sadly a few years later an incompetent young vet managed to break a needle in his neck and sent him back to being difficult but he is now ok again with a careful efficient vet.
I currently have 12 in the yard and could inject any of them myself and most could be done in the field without a headcollar on, not that we would, I think most of the time the horse senses anxiety from the handler which makes them tense, the jab then does hurt a little, handler overreacts and it snowballs so the behaviour should be easy to reverse with a little time and care, there are always exceptions though.
 
I had a pony years ago who really objected to needles and as result, the vet.
We tried everything with him - large quantities of ACP (sedalin in a tube wasn't around then) - he would be standing there swaying, totally out of it you'd think until the vet arrived and he would try and go for him and mean it. Also tried having the vet vet arrive in civvys and not wash his hands in disinfectant in case it was the smell. This pony was a piggy :) so the vet tried just feeding him, not even touching him and the pony would still try and have him. All this over a few years and until a vet was around he was a dream to handle - it was like Jekyll and Hyde! This was a horse that had his teeth done standing loose and didn't move a muscle until he was told while his feet were trimmed. He self loaded and would stand tied for as long as you wanted for example so it wasn't a lack of manners.

In the end, we used an old fashioned twitch with the axe handle and the vet would dive in and give either his vacs or a large dose of IM sedative and then stay out of sight until it took effect. His reaction was so extreme that I refused to inject him myself in case he held a grudge against me too and I've always done my own IM jabs before and since.

I've never seen such a violent reaction to needles and I'm afraid the only advice I've got for the OP is a twitch or a chiffney but they're probably not suited to a nervy rescue.
 
fburton said:
Straw poll - who thinks densitization / retraining done properly stands a chance of transforming a needle-phobic horse into one that accepts injections without fuss?

If it does work you wouldn't need sedative at all - but perhaps drugging is considered to be the easier option?
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I am about to give it a go so watch this space!!

ETA sedating is the safer option because when half a ton of horse decides it wants to hurt you and is accurate with his legs!! I am sorry but no horse is worth risking my life for, I am self employed and can't afford to be hurt and I wouldn't want anyone else hurt by my horse. Sedating doesn't hurt my horse, he is far less stressed and everyone is safe.
 
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be positive said:
To be honest I am surprised how many horses are supposedly phobic, the OP has a rescue so there could be more reason than others but I have had 100's of horses and ponies through my yards and places I have worked and cannot think of many that were genuinely that concerned by having an IM jab, let alone something I would label phobic
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I have had a few horses in my time and Jack is the only horse who I have that is phobic. My old lad was difficult but he was purely a fidget to do. A horse who is phobic of needles is a dangerous beast, there is no way in hell you would be able to jab him in the field without a headcollar. One vet has written him off as dangerous, new vet has been amazing but legs still fly. I am going to have a go at clicker training him and using a cocktail stick to replicate the poke of the needle to begin with. I would love him to be easy for the vet, because quite honestly there is nothing worse than having a horse in pain you can't help.
 
MrsD123 said:
Do you need to jab every year, tet is either 2 or 3 year and there seems no need for flu if not going to parties.
You can presumably give a sedative when vet first arrives.
I would not put her thru this annually, and ask vet to use a 3 year tet on her.
would she let you do it?
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This^^^, why do it every year when not really being handled or going anywhere.
 
I have a pony I can't catch and my vets never managed to check him over, they were happy to send me sedalin to give him before they came out to do vac's so I could try and catch him! unfortunately I still couldn't get him!
 
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