Self confessed numpty dog owner

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As is the way with forums, I tend to post here when I am having one issue or another. Generally I read the forum about numpty dog owners creating dog problems and thinking 'yep, that's me' taking on a dog I am not prepared for and then having issues despite my best efforts. So I figured i would do a happy update.

After our horrible session with the sheepdog trainer, my dog and I were pretty much maintaining our sanity by a thread, with both of us tipping over into hysteria at the slightest thing. He would go ballistic at the sight of my cats or horses, hated being left alone, would throw himself at cars and although a lovely dog I saw his treactions escalating. I in turn was on the verge of tears a lot of the time, tipping over a few times, feeling useless and unable to manage and coming up with all the worst case scenarios about how things would never get better. My lyme disease symptoms had been overwhelming me for so long that i didn't realise how close to the edge I was getting, just brutal headaches that meant I really wasn't coping.

Happily, things started to fall into place after the sheepdog session. Firstly my treatment started to make a real difference so the headaches reduced, making other things easier to deal with. Then a few sound words, from a behaviourist, from people on here, and a few other places, made me sit and rethink how I was affecting my puppy. If I as a grown human being couldn't control my own emotions and prevent myself from tipping into an anxious wreck at the slightest thing, how on earth could I expect my puppy to control his reactions and anxieties. So I took a grip of myself. I quieted everything down, I speak less and in a slower and lower tone, rather than my usual nervous energetic voice. I quit reacting to the sight of the cats myself, and although i don't ignore them I don't draw extra attention to them. If I feel myself getting stressed I take a time out, some deep breaths and remember to keep everything calm. I don't grab hold of him or make a bog deal of if a car is coming.

I have found an excellent dog school that is helping me a lot. They work on a range of activities from working trials to tricks to agility (not for mine as young), so each session he goes through some obedience and heelwork, a few tricks, some search training, send aways to mats, and waiting politely during the coffee break. Its a very distracting environment as its a big field with a lot of sessions going on around him, so he is learning to focus on the task at hand even when other dogs and owners are hurtling around. He's really on side when at these classes and is doing really well.

I have also booked onto a workshop with Craig Oglivie (sp?) to learn how to get him more engaged in play and toys, so that i can use these to divert him in tricky situations. I'm REALLY excited about this as although puppy is better with toys I still haven't got him to the stage where they are more important than chasing other things.

Anyways, long story short, in just 4 weeks the transformation in both of us is pretty amazing. I can now feed him and my cats in the same room, with him quietly waiting on his mat for his food. He is still excited that they are there, but is containing himself and not yapping and leaping at them (they have a high walkway through the house I feed them on, I don't trust him not to chase the timid one at ground level yet, but she is at least happy to come into the house when he is here, she just stays up high).

I have also had him lying quietly within 10m of the road without fixating on cars, and taking treats from me, which he would not do before. He is now coping well with slow moving vehicles and not getting over anxious. Fast moving ones are a work in progress, but this is a dog who was completely fixated, so I am celebrating the small wins! It's a challenging week this week as I am on my own with him and have to manage him, my horses, my cats and my job, and we are still managing to stay on top of our emotions, the odd overexcitement from him but I am handling it so much better.

Plenty of people have commented on how much calmer he seems, and pretty much all because I have got myself under control.

So hopefully there is some hope for some of us numpty dog owners!
 
Good news. As a (former? ;) ) looper with a naturally loopy dog who I nearly ruined, as we exaggerated and mirrored each others loopiness, I totally identify ;)
And we did OK in the end (he's retired now and allowed to be loopy, lol).

Craig is a former ringsport helper and has worked some strong dogs. He actually understands different drives and has been there and done it and trained with some good people, he's not a dreamer or a talker or an internet trainer.....I hope you enjoy the workshop :)
 
Good news. As a (former? ;) ) looper with a naturally loopy dog who I nearly ruined, as we exaggerated and mirrored each others loopiness, I totally identify ;)
And we did OK in the end (he's retired now and allowed to be loopy, lol).

Craig is a former ringsport helper and has worked some strong dogs. He actually understands different drives and has been there and done it and trained with some good people, he's not a dreamer or a talker or an internet trainer.....I hope you enjoy the workshop :)

I’m really looking forwards to it. I’ve heard nothing but good things about him, from both the fluffy and less fluffy dog handlers and owners that I know. I’m getting there with the dogs toy drive so I think Craig will really be able to help me understand how to motivate him.

It took me 9 years to uncrazy the crazy black pony, (he’s a border collie in disguise!) hopefully I will learn a bit faster with the dog!
 
That is a good update.

We found that walking our wary of traffic Rottweiler through car parks got her used to just getting on with her own business, the roads near home are so quiet that a car coming near is a notable event and she wound herself up over it. However now she is fine with large and small vehicles. Car parks are good because the traffic is expecting to go slowly, we take the dogs to agricultural shows and similar, so they get a reward of being fussed by other Rottweiler owners once we have gone through the car park.
 
Brilliant update. :)

I too am a reformed numpty (can I claim that? Mostly reformed, maybe :p ) who took on a dog I shouldn't have had but lived to tell the tale, working by much the same method as you have described. Once you have those hard-won foundations everything else gradually starts to fall into place, it gets easier and more rewarding the further down the line you go.

I also hope you gain lots from the session with Craig, I've participated in one and spectated at a second, he really does bring something out of each dog despite variance in breed and background, it's really interesting to see.
 
Really good update. A friend came over last night to help me with the spaniel and it is amazing what another set of eyes can see.
 
Excellent update, that sounds like enormous amounts of progress.

My trainer taught me to stop echoing Zak’s reactions and to stop reacting and making h8m react more strongly. My anxiety transferred to him and made h8m worse. I’m still anxious, but not as bad. Just got work on being too chicken to walk through a field of horses now!
 
Thanks for posting this, it's lovely to hear when things are gettting better. So sorry to hear about the lymes disease, it's horribly debilitating, no wonder you have been struggling. Best wishes for your complete recovery and many happy hours with a more relaxed doggie!
 
I may have spoken too soon, for some reason today the shy cat decided to shout in the dogs face which triggered him to jump at her and her to run away. Then this evening she just popped her head in and he was kicking off, sending electric shock headaches through my brain (I’ll confess to a little cry, partly at the cat reaction and partly at the headache being back). And yet the other cat has come in and decided to burrow under the blanket on the sofa and create a tempting wriggly sofa lump, and dog watched the lump wriggle for a while and then wandered off to lie down and sleep. My poor other cat, if only she was brave enough to tell him off, he would fall straight into line! But she just looks horrified, offended and a bit sad, and then shouts at him and runs away...not helping!
 
Clearly what you have there is a classic case of FTC (Failure To Cat). A swift, thoroughly unreasonable sort of wallop across the dog's nose with all claws extended would have sorted the issue long ago! Instead the cat has opted to delegate all training to you, possibly as part of a convoluted scheme to acquire sympathy tuna.
 
Clearly what you have there is a classic case of FTC (Failure To Cat). A swift, thoroughly unreasonable sort of wallop across the dog's nose with all claws extended would have sorted the issue long ago! Instead the cat has opted to delegate all training to you, possibly as part of a convoluted scheme to acquire sympathy tuna.

I think you may be absolutely right there. Cat is far too gentle a soul for puppy training, and has been getting sympathy tuna whenever I can.

Other cat is pretty good at puppy training, doesn’t run, belts puppy on nose on a bit too infrequent basis and has a fairly extensive vocabulary of swear words for a cat that doesn’t usually make any noise. Whereas soft cat is extremely chatty and seems to make the puppy crazy (although realistically who knows what sort of expletives she is coming out with).
 
Just a thought and not in any dog training manual that I know. Would shooting pup with a water pistol if he goes too close to the cat be worth a try backed up with a vocal and firm "No" A bit of old fashioned aversion training!
 
Just a thought and not in any dog training manual that I know. Would shooting pup with a water pistol if he goes too close to the cat be worth a try backed up with a vocal and firm "No" A bit of old fashioned aversion training!

It’s certainly a tactic I am baring in mind. At the moment I think I am making good progress with trying to teach him to be calm around her (all was calm again this morning) so I’m wary of anything that increases his adrenaline or negative associations around her. But I may keep one on hand for if he does lose his self control like last night. As long as I don’t accidentally shoot the cat with it!
 
No let a few little set backs get you down. You are heading in the right direction and have made so much progress.

I have been in your boat. Got a rescue 2yo GSD who was reactive to some other dogs- I was no at all experienced with how to deal with it and the more I stressed the more he stressed, making him more reactive. But with some help from forums, a trainer who has a reactive dog herself, and just adjusting and managing walks, things improved and we had a wonderful 3 years together (sadly lost him to cancer 1.5 years ago)

I now have a slightly neurotic collie rescue: again I had to stop myself getting anxious as she picks up on it. Now 1.5 years later we have such a great bond and I know when to take a deep breath and keep calm. Where as our rescue Labrador sometimes needs a very firm voice, due to selective hearing and a relaxed attitude, she barely needs a look and responds!
 
It’s certainly a tactic I am baring in mind. At the moment I think I am making good progress with trying to teach him to be calm around her (all was calm again this morning) so I’m wary of anything that increases his adrenaline or negative associations around her. But I may keep one on hand for if he does lose his self control like last night. As long as I don’t accidentally shoot the cat with it!

My daughter used this with her Viz when he jumped up, it worked with him and I've used it to stop horses banging and pawing in their stable but I'd prefer a calmer method really. Can you take the cat to assertiveness training!
 
Flaming cat has way too much faith in my abilities to manage the crazy dog. She is now sitting well within leaping/launching/chasing range and trusting that I will have hold of young puppy. Then runs just at the critical point, sending puppy into hyperdrive. Need to teach her how to deliver a solid right hook. Not quite sure how to tackle this. Other cat waltzes around without a care in the world. They are sent to test me.
 
Oh yes, although i ideally want to promote calm behaviour around her, I’m fine with delivering the message that anything else is not acceptable (I have learned this slower than I should have). It’s just teaching cat to do her part when I’m not around is harder to tackle!
 
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