Selling a 'dodgy' horse

[minesadouble]

Would you do it?
A girl on our yard was really unlucky (though partially her own fault must be said as seller showed her a vets cert. which should have set alarm bells ringing but she didn't read it properly) and bought a horse with long term veterinary problem. Don't want to go into too many details but a serious degenerative condition. She briefly tried to get her money back from the seller but didn't pursue it wholeheartedly.
She then advertised said horse for sale for twice as much as she paid for it and apparently the horse has sold, and the new buyers are coming for it next week.
I would NEVER dream of doing this - she knows the heartache she went through when she discovered the horse's problems so she's now going to do exactly the same to someone else??
Part of me would love to say something to the purchasers but a. It's unlikely I will see them and b. it's really none of my business - buyer beware and all that and I assume they are not getting the horse vetted.
Bit of a pointless post I suppose but this girl was devastated when she found out the truth of what she had bought and she's now going to inflict the same on someone else - it just really p....s me off!!

 

[DBrasnett]

I would never sell a dodgy horse, and def not for twice as much as I paid for it.

I also wouldn't buy a horse without a through vet check (inc x-rays and bloods).

 

[minesadouble]

Must admit I have bought plenty horses without vetting but always been lucky - I have trusted the sellers and been able trace the history of the horse/pony - every time I have done it (twice with daughters ponies) I have been given the number of the previous owner(s) and the number of local hunt and/or pony club D.C. of which the pony has been a member.
Apart from anything else I think I would feel too responsible for the future of the poor horse to just flog it on to some unsuspecting person.

 

[hadfos]

I would have to disclose its faults...she is well out of line doing what she is doing but as you say...not your concern

,unfotunately the buyers should have more sense and get it vetted especially if paying alot of money!!
Sounds like she is looking after number 1..sod the horse and future owners as long as she gets her money back...unfortunately alot of people about like her...what goes around will come around

 

[Toby_Zaphod]

The girl on your yard is no better than the 'dodgy dealer' she bought from. Infact she's worse by selling the unfit horse for double she paid for it.

 

[mrgoop]

I have bought mis sold horses in the past and know what a nightmare it can be.... not to mention the heartache.
How is this fair on a) the prospective buyer and b) the poor bloody horse. Where will it end for the animal????

I could never have sold the nutter i bought with a clear concience, i can't and won't lie with stuff like that. I sent him to a dealer, told her his faults and let her sell him on. Not ideal i know, but the owner wouldn't take him back and i couldn't keep him.

My confidence was shattered and i hated what i did, but i know he has gone to a new home and his owner thinks he's great. She knew about his quirks!!
If it had been medical though it would have been different...... selling a horse with health problems and not letting on, is BAD

 

[Smash]

Girl on yard is an utter [****], prospective buyers are daft not to be getting it vetted, but will learn an expensive lesson.

Shithead will get hers, preferably in the form of a pitchfork in the eye.

 

[minesadouble]

Oooh the pitchfork in the eye sounds pretty good to me!

 

[Fleur100]

UInfortunately there are many unethical people out there. I see it all the time. There are a couple of horses up for sale locally & 1 peron was trying to convince another it was a suitable hack....it bolts!
If the girl on the yard doesn't declare a known problem she could be sued...
I truly think that some private sales now are mored dodgy than used car sales... It's not a wonder people prefer reputable dealers or breeders

 

[VRIN]

The new buyers should be able to claim against her becuase presumably there will be evidence that she knew about its degenerative problem...

But what about the moral question - should we sit back and watch someonbe being ripped off - don't we have some responsibility to? If we were in a similar situation would we like to be told? It seems that if we are trusting then somehow we 'deserve' to be ripped off - doesn't seem quite right

 

[mintaka04]

Vrin has a good point there. Have we all become so wrapped up in our own business that we don't help anyone else?
Could you not anonymously tip off the new purchaser?

It certainly is not right to pass on a poor lame horse to new owners without disclosing it's faults.
Fair enough if you buy a horse at a public sale, then you more or less expect trouble, but you are also generally getting it cheap!

 

[Boxers]

This seller is wrong to be selling the horse without disclosing that he has a medical problem. Like you, I would kind of like to tell the new purchaser, but it really isn't any of your business. You're not affected by it in any way. If you personally knew the purchaser then perhaps you could just say to them that you think they should get it vetted. We all feel that this seller is wrong, but it's not anyone else's business but hers and the purchasers and the purchasers should take heed of 'buyer beware'.

 

[Flibble]

That girl is totally out of order she will give your yard a bad name.

Years ago I bought 'the wrong horse' a grey mare that had had a severe rearing problem which only came to light 6 weeks after I had bought her it turned out she had been sent away to be sorted. I kept her because I didnt see how I could sell a horse to someone that was so dodgy and after I got to the point where I was too frightened to put my foot in the stirrup I sold her for 'meat money' to someone who knew exactly what they were taking on.

 

[H_Venables]

some people have such low moral standards, poor ned. i'm fairly sure she's liable for being sued, esp. if something is wrtten in plain english on a vet cert.

as others have said, perhaps you should suggest that to her and see how that sits. it'll make her worry if nothing else.

 

[quirky]

I have had my horse for 5 years and due to some unknown preoblem, he is in pain. This has caused him to be unpreictable and dangerous. Had the vet out on Friday and after a long discussion where one of his suggestions was to send him to a dealer, we came to the conclusion that the best thing for him would be to put him to sleep.
I couldn't have it on my conciense (sp) the damage he could do to some unsuspecting rider and more than anything, he doesn't deserve to live a life in pain and maybe being beaten for what may be construed as bad behaviour. Sad but in my case, the best solution.

 

[alsxx]

Thats unacceptable that she is willing to sell the horse on to someone for double what she paid for it, crazy they are buying without having vetted.

I think very sad though for the poor horse, which is likely to be passed from home to home and god know's where it will end up. Without knowing the exact problems this horse has its hard to say, but sometimes the kindest thing to do is to have the horse put to sleep.

 

[Flame_]

Quirky, sorry you've not managed to sort your horse out, I was wondering how you were getting on. I agree its kinder to the horse to PTS than to pass him on, for others to get hurt and frustrated, and for him to be repeatedly subjected to attempts at "fixing him".

OP, your friend is out of order. If the horse's condition was disclosed to her and it was sold at a price taking this into account she is absolute scum for then hiding the problem and selling the horse for more.

If, as I suspect, she was misled and the condition was played down, and the price was reasonable but not "knackered horse" money I do sympethise with her to a point. No-one deserves to have a lame or problem horse shifted onto them under false pretenses and I'm sure she's been bitterly disappointed to find herself with a horse that is not what she expected, with a problem she in no way caused or contributed to.

This does not change the fact that she absolutely should not be trying to make money on this horse.

The industry needs to take more responsibility for these lame and problem horses. No-one should be breeding from anything with genetic conditions and somehow tw*ts have got to be stopped from ruining horses. What will happen is this horse will eventually (if the horse is lucky) end up sold to some caring genuine horse owner who won't have the heart to pass it on or shoot it and they will miss out on the fun they really deserve from their horse, while the b'stards that do pass it on are having a ball.

Sorry for going off on one, it just makes me so sad and angry.

 

[BackInBlack]

ditto kvs

 

[Abbeygale]

I would personally couldn't sell on a horse with a problem - unless the problem was manageable - which obviously in this case it is not. I would be very strongly tempted to try and make some contact with the potential buyers - or try and talk to the girl and explain to her why she should most definitely not sell the horse without letting the new owners know before they complete on the sale.

I feel very strongly about new owners knowing as much as possible about any horse / pony before they buy it - for the new owners sake - but much more importantly for the horse's sake. I hate to see horses pushed from home to home.

 

[rcm_73]

Greedy irresponsible b**** springs to mind, double the price, that's ridiculous! Pity the horse getting passed about with a condition that nobody knows about until it's obvious and horse probably suffering because of it and pity the unsuspecting new owners that are getting ripped off. Hope someone can tip them off or failing that I hope she gets sued. I once bought a mare that had a severe napping rearing problem which began to show about a fortnight after she came was someone posing as a private seller but turns out they're a dealer and always have things for sale on the web. Rather than dope her and pass her off onto someone else (as they most likely did) I sold her to my ex-boss as a brood mare (she'd had one foal already) and my ex-boss was fully aware of the fact that she couldn't really be ridden.

 

[PeterNatt]

If and when the new owners determine that the horse had a pre-existing medical condition which was not disclosed to them when they purchased the horse then they can claim from the seller. This may cost the seller a lot of additional expenses in addition to having to refund the sum of money the purchasers have paid for the horse.

 

[Donkeymad]

Sorry, but I believe that is utterly dusgusting and totally wrong. If she had sold the horse informing of the condition, different matter.