Selling a horse after Loss of use.

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Hi all, I am after some thoughts and opinions please
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I bought a show jumper that had been the subject of a "loss of use" payout for "head shaking" prior to my getting him. He is a complicated chap, quirky but talented. I have had him for a year and a half and have found that he doesn't "head shake" per say but that he has a twitch when nervous.

He has jumped affiliated on the continent a few years back and I am unsure how he ended up in the uk. He has probably been mistreated at some point and now has the "I will get you first" mentality.

My problem is this. I need to sell this chap. I have arthritis and can't get on him, (he is 17.2) he doesn't like mounting blocks. I also think I am too heavy for him, hence wanting to find him a new home.

I "loaned" him to a friend of a friend and stupidly had no agreement with this man (I know!!) He was loaned with a view to buy him if things worked out. He has had him for 3 months and the horse has done everything asked of him. Now it comes to buying him, this man is saying that due to the loss of use (which he knew about), the horse is worth next to nothing (even with a £500 saddle). I want some money, so I can get another horse. This man doesn't want to pay any money for the horse but nor does he want to pay to send him back to me.

So my question is this... is a talented 11yo show jumper (of Northern Dancer lines) worth nothing due to the loss of use payout, even 100% sound? I know that prior to the payout, he was sold for about £8,000 and I am only looking to get around £2,000 for him, to the right home.... and I feel he has a lot to offer the right person...

Sorry for the long winded post, it is rather complicated but I would appreciate knowing what people think about value after loss of use.
 
It sounds to me that if he was perfect in every other way he may be worth what you want for him. However seeing as he is quite quirky as well I think you might struggle. Also you may well find it is a bit of a long haul trying to sell him as many people will not entertain buying him when they find out about the loss of use.
 
Sorry but you say you have arthritis and you want to buy another horse and this is why are selling this horse, and this horse "lose of use" which would come up on any insurance when you sell him to someone else and they want to insure. So put him in a sale with a reserve.
 
You say he had already been declared as 'loss of use' when you bought him so I would evaluate how much YOU paiid for him despite his problems and go from there, if you got him cheap then ask yourself if you would have paid more

Also he might have been a talented jumper but how he is jumping now? if he has had 18 months away from jumping or cant be jumped any more then the fact that he s talented only counts for so much

All that aside ths chap is beng a jerk, I would call his bluff and take the horse back, that'll make him think!
 
Thanks for the replies
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johnrobert...Erm.. I do have arthritis but I can still ride.. I CAN NOT mount a 17.2hh from the floor, while it walks round me any more though.... sorry about that!! I have another horse (and still want to replace this one) and intend to continue to ride, until I can no longer bend my knees, despite not being able to stand up when I get off
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Apparently he is jumping well at the moment and has a big scopy jump. I did not jump him while I had him. I doubt he will ever jump to the same level he did but he does still seem to enjoy jumping.

He is certainly fit, well and needs to be somewhere where he has a "job" to do. He is by no means ready to spend the rest of his life in a field... Apparently he does dressage to elementary... He is very responsive and nicely schooled.

WelshD, I think you are right about the guy who has him.. I have a feeling he wants a cheap horse to sell on for a profit!
 
If he has a branded L on him, he's worth next to nothing I'm afraid. I have same problem with my horse at the moment. All i know is that anyone who buys him is unlikely to be able to insure him, possibly not even for vets fees...maybe ring a few insurers to see what the situation would be so you can tell prospective purchasers.
Tbh if horse going well for this guy, I'd just leave him there - at the end of the day you have to do whats right for the horse's mental attitude and not think about the money. If you're worried about selling him on, why not do a permanent loan with contract, so you still have a say in horse's future.
 
surely be would be un-insurable? in which case I couldn't imagine he'd be worth that much? Can you de-loss of use a horse if they pass a vetting?
 
The insurance company that paid the loss of use were prepared to continue insuring the horse for vets fees etc but I don't know if any other company would without the history. I guess, as suggested I ought to find this out before trying to sell him.

He does indeed have an L on him but neither the vets nor farmkey will give out any info on the loss of use.

Tbh, I can see no reason why he wouldn't pass a vetting but I don't think the loss of use is able to be removed.

It seems to me that there needs to be different levels of loss of use... This horse has so many uses and I am not even sure why the pay out was agreed, as the horse does not head shake!

As for leaving him where he is.. I think he would probably just get sold on for a profit.
 
So take him back. Put him up for sale and be honest about the lose of use. I to have artritis in my lower spine so yes I too have difficuty getting on and off. My old skewbald over 25 years ago learnt to drop his head so I could slide down his neck and I have to use a mounting block. but I've found with my other horses they seems to understand and stand quietly while I struggle to dismount. With the L brandmark, doesn't matter how good he is, no insurance company will insure him as they have already paid up in full his insurance worth when his previous owners claimed lose of use.
 
i would definatley take him back, the bloke's taking the piss, and banking on bully boy tactics! if he liked the horse enough, he'd be willing to pay.. good on you for wanting to keep riding, i couldnt get on a 17.2 from the ground anymore, and i dont have arthritis.. good luck, keep us posted!!
 
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