Selling and deposits - what can I do????

You still don't want to say why the horse failed the vetting..... 3 pages of posts & still not mentioned........ just because you are selling cheap doesn't mean you are allowed to sell someone a horse with problem/s.
 
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You still don't want to say why the horse failed the vetting..... 3 pages of posts & still not mentioned........ just because you are selling cheap doesn't mean you are allowed to sell someone a horse with problem/s.

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That doesn't really matter in this thread as that isn't the question.
 
She failed because her conformation means she wont be any good as a jumper and therefore no good for eventing! She'd be fine for hacking and fun rides etc but no jumping over like 2ft - no good for kids with stars in their eyes.
 
Every horse has problems - the ones that dont are like 12K. How stupid to think you are going to get a perfect horse for ,1K!
 
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Well, they wanted the mare for hacking and general riding.
The vet then came and vetted her for prenovice eventing?
I could have told them she wasn't suitable for that.

The thing is i refused offers on her from people who saw her earlier in the week (before the people who gave deposit) and I made it clear that the deposit was non refundable.

The deposit covers the inconvenience of having to keep the horse, re adveretise her and taking a day of work to do her vetting.

I think its bad form to expect it back. I never expect deposits back - if for some reason I don't want the item/horse then thats my fault not the sellers.

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The thing is though is that they are out of pocket having the horse vetted and its failed, so why should they forego their deposit as well? Sorry but i think that you are in the wrong here.
 
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There were witnesses.

Maybe I'll look into persuing them for the money.

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Don't bother unless you want to be throwing good money after bad.

Concentrate on getting your horse sound and selling it.
 
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It is sound, just not for eventing.

Its like talking to a brick wall

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Sorry, but this is a public forum and people are entitled to their opinions. You posted on here, asking for opinions and most people who have replied have said that the deposit should have been returned.

Its basically the fact that you don't like what you've been told.

And sorry - but why would anyone expect to pay under a thousand pounds for an eventer??? Sounds a bit fishy to me - but I wouldn't part with any amount of money for a horse that failed the vet.
 
Ok, so assuming they gave you a standard 10% deposit and the horse's price is under 1k. So they gave you £100.
Then they pay for a 5 stage vetting- roughly £120

So now theyre out of pocket by about 25% of the horse's value.

Good luck selling her, have you kept the numbers of the other viewers?
 
If they are not buying because the horse failed the vetting of course they should have their deposit back. I'm astonished that anyone would think otherwise
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. Surely you don't expect them to be out of pocket because there is something wrong with your horse? Obviously if they back out then of course the seller would be well within their rights to keep any deposit.
 
Do horses fail a vetting on conformation issues? If I were the buyer I'd be thinking about getting YOU to reimburse me for the vetting.
 
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Yes what a suprised a ten year old happy hacker cob mare failed the vet to become a pre novice eventer!!
I'll just be more careful who i sell her to next time!

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Didn't you tell them before they arranged the vetting that the horse would not be suitable to event?
 
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I will but the next potential purchaser will suffer from the ex purchaser's bad manners!

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why would this be would u bump the price up to cover the deposit??
 
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I will but the next potential purchaser will suffer from the ex purchaser's bad manners!

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hardly fair to take it out on the next potential purchasers is it ? as others have said did you not take names and numbers of the other people wanting to view
 
If the goods are not of merchantable quality (i.e. failed the vet in this instance), then any contract should be null and void. If they were going to buy him anyway, then they would not have gone to the bother of having him vetted.
 
quote 'If you walked into a shop and put a deposit down to hold a top - then decided you didn't want it, would you expect the money back???
I wouldn't!!'

....but what would you do if the top had a big tear in it when you went back to pick it up ?
 
I have to say - I am going on Opal Fruits side here - clearly, it is a happy-hacker, at a very reasonable price in the current horse market. Its probably a very safe cob, and really, the majority of people who would want something like that would only go for a 2* vetting if they had it at all. OP obviously understands this, but is just peeved that they had made an agreement which has not been upheld. She is now out of pocket - hey, if they were so worried about it being sold, get the vet in the next day.

Really, what can you get for 1k these days? Look on project horses - this was a cheap horse, which 'failed' a vetting - my vet said my mare would 'fail' - but he said that was because she would not be capable of doing top-level anything due to having had hock surgery which might come back in the future - but would say that she was fine for general wandering about, local shows, jumping 1.20 (not with me) once in a while, and more wandering. Isn't that really what most of us do anyway!?!

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Not the point though. We don't actually KNOW what the vet told the prospective purchasers - and we never will as the conversation was private. Whatever was said, the horse failed the vet, and why buy something that the vet fails, which means you will not be able to insure.
 
I'm going slightly off topic - but to tell you the truth, how many horses are there for that price that are 100%!?!
But does the vet not tell the seller what was wrong?
 
Do you need a vets certificate these days to insure for £1000 I was led to believe you only needed one if the horse was to be insured for £5000 or above
 
No - the vet is paid by the purchaser and reports back to the purchaser. They may make a comment or two to the vendor, but there is no legal obligation for them to say anything at all to anyone but the purchaser. It is then up to the purchaser to use the information when making the decision whether to buy or not.
 
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Do you need a vets certificate these days to insure for £1000 I was led to believe you only needed one if the horse was to be insured for £5000 or above

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You will be asked if you have had a vet inspection done. If you have, and anything came up, then legally you would have to report it. Generally, you do not even need a vet's report for horses work over £5k - depending on the insurers. But if you do have information as a result of a vet report, then you must disclose it.
 
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Do you need a vets certificate these days to insure for £1000 I was led to believe you only needed one if the horse was to be insured for £5000 or above

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A vetting isnt about how insurable a horse is- its about how sound it is likely to be in the future!!
 
Ahhhh thanks for that it all makes sense now... I agree that if buyer decided not to have the horse after an passing the vet then deposit should be kept otherwise if the horse fails then the money should be returned
 
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Do you need a vets certificate these days to insure for £1000 I was led to believe you only needed one if the horse was to be insured for £5000 or above

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A vetting isnt about how insurable a horse is- its about how sound it is likely to be in the future!!

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I was purely asking an insurance question...I do know what a vetting is for!!!
 
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Completely agree that the potential buyer is entitled to their deposit back.
The verbal agreement did not, according to the opening post, state whether or not a refund was reliant on the vetting outcome, therefore, it would seem obvious that a failed vetting should result in refund of deposit.
 
Agree with DM (and the majority of other posters, it is normal for deposit to be returned in event that the horse failed the vetting).
 
Two points here.

what did it fail on? Failing mildly on a flexion test is one thing (for a hacking horse) failing because it had a major heart problem is another (not suggesting it has, but just so you see my point).

Why are you blaming these people for having turned down offers BEFORE thye came to see the horse. it's hardly their fault. If you'd had a decent offer on the horse to the right home you should have accepted.

Always take deposits in cash with written info of what you are selling the horse as. Then, if you're selling a plod and they have a vetting for an eventer you can tell them you'll keep the deposit. If it fails vetting as a plod they get their deposit back. Its not THEIR fault the horse failed, so why should they lose money too?

Seriously, it isnt rocket science.
 
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