Selling the 'worth their weight in gold' type horse????

I'm afraid I also think she's overpriced.

She has a good BE record, but the ad [and the record] gives the sense that she is maxed out at 1m. I think if she had some form at novice she'd be worth the price and more, but as nice as she sounds, I'd struggle to justify a 12k price tag. IMO 8k is closer to the mark, though you might be lucky and find someone willing to pay more.

I also think you could hype her up more, as at the moment you haven't given the sense of how wonderful she is really.
 
Sorry to say, I also think she is overpriced.

I agree with a few other posters and think she is worth closer to £8k or even a little less.
 
What confuses me about this thread is everyone is saying she is overpriced but there was a thread the other day about how someone couldn't find a decent PN schoolmaster for 15k?!
It just seems to me that when someone is looking to buy they don't have enough money and decent, honest event horses are worth 11/15/20k upwards. Yet if someone is selling it's a buyers market, horses are going for much less, horse is overpriced ect ect.
Personally I have no clue re: price. Before you change it however I would advertise her on all the big sites and really big her up, get people to buy into the dream so to speak. If you still have no luck then drop the price but give it a chance first.
I think she's gorgeous :).
 
I don't think she's over priced, purely on the back of you saying she is a good hunter, people will pay 10k for good hunters that have never seen a dressage arena, so adding slightly more for her BE/RC exploits puts her in roughly the right price bracket,

(i personally wouldn't pay 12k....but thats a different question & i think something people tend to confuse, i.e. what you would pay Vs what would some one who's clockwork horse has just gone lame/got too old etc etc would pay, this time last year, my horse had gone lame (turned out to be minor....but the thought of where the hell i would get an honest horse that ticked all my boxes was awful, and i told my husband that to replace my horse tomorrow we'd be looking at 10k, & his BE record is not as good as this horses yet)
 
racingdemon said:
I don't think she's over priced, purely on the back of you saying she is a good hunter, people will pay 10k for good hunters that have never seen a dressage arena, so adding slightly more for her BE/RC exploits puts her in roughly the right price bracket,

(i personally wouldn't pay 12k....but thats a different question & i think something people tend to confuse, i.e. what you would pay Vs what would some one who's clockwork horse has just gone lame/got too old etc etc would pay
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I pretty much agree with this, although IMO there is so much scope for nice RC types to do all of these championships etc that people seem to expect more money for them.
I would say there's no harm in trying your hand but be prepared to drop if you want to or need to sell.
FWIW the last one I sold was a potential FEI pony advertised at £12k, then re advertised at £8k, eventually sold for £6k (still making a hefty profit ;) ) I never once thought she was worth £12k but there's no harm in trying is there?
 
DarkHorseB said:
I must be old fashioned but to me a horse is either 16.1 or it isn't :confused:
Back in the day a "big 14.2" was actually a horse :D that someone got away with! It is a sad reflection if someone has to explain that by 16.1 they mean 16.1 rather than 15.3 or 16.3:confused:
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Well not really - a 16.1 TB may well be the same height as say a 16.1 ISH but chances are that the ISH could carry more weight than the TB. I have a 17 hh ISH so you would think mans horse/heavy weight hunter but he is actually more TB looking and extremely short coupled so actually suits me very well and I am only 5.5".
 
firewell said:
What confuses me about this thread is everyone is saying she is overpriced but there was a thread the other day about how someone couldn't find a decent PN schoolmaster for 15k?!
It just seems to me that when someone is looking to buy they don't have enough money and decent, honest event horses are worth 11/15/20k upwards. Yet if someone is selling it's a buyers market, horses are going for much less, horse is overpriced ect ect.
Personally I have no clue re: price. Before you change it however I would advertise her on all the big sites and really big her up, get people to buy into the dream so to speak. If you still have no luck then drop the price but give it a chance first.
I think she's gorgeous :).
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But the record doesn't show a PN schoolmaster though even if the horse is. The record shows 3 completed PN runs which includes 2 DC. 3 runs does not a schoolmaster make ;) Yes at intro multiple good results (although SJ distinctly average) but not PN.

As for price well sorry but I wouldn't pay £12k or £15k for a PN schoolmaster but some people most certainly will. A horse ultimately is only worth what an individual is willing to pay. If you are not in a rush to sell start high and be prepared to drop the price if you don't attract interest.

I would also be advertising elsewhere as well as few will be looking at BE site yet. Can't comment on which the best one to advertise is but I personally don't think you can go too far wrong with H&H magazine ads still.

Also for online ads include as much info as possible, yes people will ring for more but you need to grab their interest and if not listing some things people will wonder why so the more info the better to be honest.
 
I spent a year looking for a horse for my daughter and I - so I can offer some insight from the other side.

I never once looked at the BE site - we are not members, and I didn't realise they had a 'for sale' section for some time. I mainly used the horsequest, horsemart, HHO and PC sites.

I think anyone seriously into eventing would want a younger horse or a horse with novice results, and anyone hoping to get into eventing might, like me, not realise the site existed, so I agree with others that you need to try other sites - certainly the PC site might be a good bet as she is such a sweetheart and obviously looks after her rider.

The best way to gauge price is to go on one of these sites and type in the amount you are asking and see what comes up. I went to look at a 6yr old mare by Jumbo for 10k, and so typed in 10k, 6yr, and was able to find a couple of comparisons.

I do think £12k is more than I would pay, although as the mare I finally bought after a year is stuck on box rest after getting injured in my field (lord knows how!) and our last summer of pony club before daughter goes to uni is now heading down the pan, I wish I could turn the clock back as I would love a horse that is up and running and fit for the summer, and would just do the job!
 
She is not overpriced!!

I have just spent months looking for something like her (although I was looking for a gelding!) and from that experience she sounds like an exceptional horse and much nicer than most of the horses I looked at for the same price and more!

Unless you are desperate to sell then just hang on to her. It probably isn’t the best time to sell an eventer as the season is already under way etc.

People are asking 6/7k for horses with rubbish if any affiliated results and so with all her experience she is definitely worth 12k.

You cannot put a price on a genuine horse (she sounds like one!) with talent and at the end of the day it is the people that work and compete at grassroots that have the money or mums looking for reliable horses for their children. So I say stick with it and you will find her the right home.

I am on a yard where people seem to have a lot of money and recently there have been quite a few new horses arriving- one lady paid 8k the other week for a 5yr show jumper and it's a lunatic!! Don't listen to those that say she is overpriced- I have just been looking for something like her so I think I'm a fair judge!

Good luck!! :)
 
Looking at the two on the PC website, yours is overpriced.

As someone else pointed out, 3 runs around a PN course doesn't make a schoolmaster
 
I can't really offer any useful insight, as I'm never likely to be in the position of selling or buying such a quality horse.

That said, however, I couldn't help commenting on the numerous mentions by other posters of prices of other advertised horses. Horses aren't like cars - you can't simply compare an advert for one identically spec'ed car with another and come up with a fair price. (In fact, you can't even do this with cars as, of two identically spec'ed cars, one can be the better buy for any number of reasons.) This applies even more so to 'better than the usual' horses like the OP's. Hiding behind pretty much every horse advertised as perfect is a list of 'buts', and if the OP's horse doesn't have those 'buts' then this inevitably adds a healthy premium to the price imo.

Oh, and from the POV of a habitual horse window-shopper, I reckon you still see the higher end of the market in H&H.
 
Hey CM! It's Gem isn't it!? If so I think she is a super horse the sort that could even convert me to mares!!! :D When I saw your SJ training session at camp I thought she was fab and I really think you should get a video of her doing some of her careful, calm, accurate SJ style linked to the advert. I think you need to sell her more for her potential than her schoolmistress-ness. I would imagine she's more than capable of novice and maybe more (though not sure if you would agree with that being the one who knows her best). Have you looked on the uptown eventing website, they have a classified section on there which might be worth a try? I also think horsequest is quite good.

I think you need to be a bit more salesly with your ad. Badminton Grassroots Championship Completer for sale.. potential to go much further etc etc.
 
I think also some people read "too good to be true"

i agree with horsequest as being something I see as a slightly more quality animal on there.

My friend is currently seeking the perfect horse for her, and she has found the total opposite - great adverts - and not so great horses.
She has the large budget and wants to buy well schooled safety - sadly a middleweight chunky sort rather than a pure TB.
But good luck,.

It's also a time of year where the big rush for competition horse is over as people are ideally out enjoying their chosen mounts. Just a thought.

Pony Club adverts are a good idea and I would say HorseQuest. H&H is good but expensive, but I think if you are asking £12K she's worth including with a good photo, to me it always shows the seller cares enough to go to the effort to put a nice advert.
Might just be me though!

Good luck and to the show pony seller too:)
 
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foxy1 said:
Looking at the two on the PC website, yours is overpriced.

As someone else pointed out, 3 runs around a PN course doesn't make a schoolmaster
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Did you look at the two horses records though, as imo they showed up the odd interesting thing that I'd bear in mind if I was looking for a horse.
 
Hels_Bells said:
I would imagine she's more than capable of novice and maybe more (though not sure if you would agree with that being the one who knows her best).
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If that is the case, then the OP should perhaps get some photos and vids of the mare schooling over Novice fences to prove the point. If you can't prove ability via the competition record, then you have to do a bit more work to persuade the buyers that the horse has the scope they are after.

I do think for the top end PC/RC eventer/all-rounder market the potential to jump BE Novice height courses is important, as both PC and RC Open classes are similar dimensions.
 
DarkHorseB said:
I must be old fashioned but to me a horse is either 16.1 or it isn't :confused:
Back in the day a "big 14.2" was actually a horse :D that someone got away with! It is a sad reflection if someone has to explain that by 16.1 they mean 16.1 rather than 15.3 or 16.3:confused:
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I think you miss my point. A 16.1hh that is aimed at the PC market could well be assumed to be potentially narrow, high withered, small framed etc and therefore rides small and makes long legged me feel ridiculously under horsed. A 16.1hh that isn't aimed at the PC market could be considered to be of "normal" stature and therefore quite a comfortable size for lanky me. It's all down to how things are perceived. To me aiming at the PC market implies a suitable step for someone coming off ponies. As someone who has ridden a huge variety of TBs of around 16.1hh there are some I feel enormous on and some I don't hence my pointing out that aiming at the PC market implies the horse in question rides small. However not necessarily a bad thing. Not making a very good job of explaining myself here but I know what I mean!
 
Poor Charlimouse - can you get anymore contradicting information?

Just to summarise!
Too expensive
Just right
Too small/too big not actually being 16.1hh
Improve the photo/improve the text
Rubbish market try again later
Wrong advertising location
Not careful enough Sjing
Not done enough PN
Not enough scope as you have not tried to take her novice yet
Too old

Anyway I think what this will tell you is that selling horses is a PIA. Whatever you try and do you cannot get it right ;)
 
It just goes to show how different people interpret things differently. We all say an advert needs to grab you and to show the wow factor but actually writing it is a whole different kettle of fish!
 
I think that your photo doesn't do anything for me - the one of her in your sig shows a lovely flashy horse (as did some of the other Badminton photos), whereas the ad photo just shows an ordinary BE90 horse in my opinion..

I don't think she is worth £12k, but there is no harm in trying first of all. I would expect a few points at novice for that price.

I would try the pc website - we got hammered by phonecalls as soon as our ad went on last year, and its really cheap! You can put 3 photos on. To achieve a higher price I would go H&H - its not cheap to advertise, but practically all of us read it every week and look at the ads...
 
Ive not read all the replies but IMO shes very over priced - i would price her around 8-9k maximum im afraid. Sorry.

Good luck in selling her though, she does sound nice.
 
i havent read all the replies, but my first impression is that you are underselling her, or she is not a twelve k horse. i have seen a 2 x 2* horses advertised for less than that, and jrn types / young horses with potential for less than that. if you are talking serious money, your advert needs to talk a serious horse. reading your advert, looking at that picture, i would not pay 12k for that mare. sorry. however. you said she is the bay in your signature. that looks a totally different horse to me, and the picture makes her look a lot smarter than that xc picture in the advert. remember a picture paints a thousand words. she is on the descent, so not showing any scope, or knee action, which is important in eventers. she looks normal. no wow factor. but that flatwork picture she looks lovely and up, tracking up, and presence. she also looks bigger because she is carrying herself in an outline.
 
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