Selling without a passport?

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Hi,
If a horse is sold without a passport what are the implications?
Obviously I know that is illegal, but how often are these things acted on by the 'powers that be', an how seriously? How would you go about starting off the proceedings?
Would be interested to know of everyone's experiences with this.
Thanks! x
 
Its against the law to sell a horse without a passport but its currently not against the law to buy one without a passport. I haven't a clue if its every been acted on but i'm sure it has and I think it would depend on if someone reported the seller for selling the horse without a passport to whether the powers that be found out. Personally I wouldn't buy a horse without a passport, I would think its highly suspicious if a horse didn't have a passport now and wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
 
It's a difficult situation.
Bought horse off people we knew, who had 'misplaced' the passport. Obviously didn't know them well enough, as that was in June, and still no show.
Don't really want to have to kick up stink because we can't really avoid each other when out competing etc, but obviously the nice, patient approach isn't working.
 
If you bought it under the impression that the horse had a passport then yes, you can get the seller into trouble.
i am glad to hear it's not illegal to buy without a passport as I've done just that lol. It did make me think twice, but the sellers were happy to get a passport if required, but it was just easier that I got it done in my name when he arrived.
 
Certainly I think you need to report them for selling the horse without a passport, as they told you they had a passport and it was just mislaid. In the interest of dipolmacy I would give them a friendly call first saying look you really need the horse's passport and if its not forthcoming, then you need to tell them that you are going to report them for selling the horse without a passport, hopefully the threat will be enough to speed them into finding it and if it doesn't...well you did warn them so they can't complain when you report them because you gave them every opportunity.
 
They're adamant that there is one (when we bought him they a copy of the ID sheet sent from Weatherbys for us to travel him with), and had said at one point that they would pay for a new one if they couldn't find it.
Obviously the previous vet practice isn't going to hold his vacc details on record forever, so would really like the passport to put them on.
 
THis is interesting, as i didnt know any of this!!

I bought a horse in september 2006 that had a passport, but wasnt the original one. The vendors i bought from said that when they aquired the horse (they did a part exchange), the previous owner had 'mislaid' the passport, and promised to send it on but never did and so they got fed up chasing it etc so applied for a new one.

There is nothing i can do about it i suppose as will be up to the vendor to chase? Just would love to know the breeding of my mare and where she came from!
 
The most simple thing is to contact the issuing passport office to try and get a duplicate.

If it really does appear that there is no passport, I would just apply for a new one and not kick up a fuss. Life's too short.
 
Sorry this is a bit late as only just got back online.

If you saw a Weatherby's ID then it will be on record with them although possibly not in the seller's name. It should be possible for you to get a duplicate passport but it would mean expense as in having horse scanned for chip, taking dna/blood. If you ring Weatherbys on 01933 440077 they are always very helpful.

If the seller really can't get the passport to you then they should pay for the duplicate surely as it's their mistake (also it will be far cheaper for them then if Trading Standards/Defra get hold of them!)?
 
Thanks for that!
Passports are great in theory, in practice I think they just make a lot of work!!
Hopefully should at least be able to get them to cover the costs, I just don't understand why someone who is selling horses as a business would put their reputation at risk by being so disorganised/uncooperative
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Well, they've been a fact of life for years with TBs, been very regulated, people know where they stand with them etc like no p/port, no entry to courses; out of date vacc's - start again, no questions, horse moves and p/port goes too etc, very simple and no problem at all. It just seems to have taken other people, probably dealers and private sellers especially, a lot longer to get their head around the fact that each horse needs its passport NOW!! I think it made it a lot worse by not having just one central passport issuer unless it's breeding gives it their own society; too much room for wrong manouvres IMO!
 
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