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and let them learn some perspective . prosecuting a stubborn old man with mental health issues and old poor pensioners whoose old dogs have got fleas or ear mites, and are then taken away and probably put down , is politely, not helpful to anyone. least of all the dogs. once you start reading about the rspca you will be amazed at the nasty , petty things that go on , bullying the old and infirm for one, while ignoring the people that would bully them ! not to mention the use of millions of funds not being used as the people who donated thought it would ! its a real eye opener !:(
 
believe me i am not uninformed . and do you not think it odd that a fairly large % of people on here who genuinely love their horses and animals feel like they need to RANT , as you put it, about this organisation ? especially as all these people agree " in principle " with them ? and why they have signed the petition ? clearly something is amiss dont you think ?
 
lamehorse said:
and let them learn some perspective . prosecuting a stubborn old man with mental health issues and old poor pensioners whoose old dogs have got fleas or ear mites, and are then taken away and probably put down , is politely, not helpful to anyone. least of all the dogs. once you start reading about the rspca you will be amazed at the nasty , petty things that go on , bullying the old and infirm for one, while ignoring the people that would bully them ! not to mention the use of millions of funds not being used as the people who donated thought it would ! its a real eye opener !:(
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I think send the RSPCA to America and make them under go ASPCA rules and regulations, make them work a year out there where they don't stop and sit back. Teach them how the really work should be done.
 
any country really that doesnt value animals as we , generally, do ! i picked china because i read an article on the dogs that they eat. they are taken to market in crates with their front legs broken and tied behind their backs. when someone buys one to take home and eat they are taken out of the crate and thrown into a large vat of boiling water , alive , boiled for a while and then given to the customer . FACT . so you can see why , that old mans horses looked to me , to be absolutely fine !
 
Patterdale said:
You know what, I really do think that the RSPCA needs a good review of its activities and political agenda.

But i really do think that these uninformed anti RSPCA rants are getting a bit silly now.
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This.
They have been super helpful all the times we've had them out for smaller cases, such as a lost dog and injured small wildlife.
But I do agree they need to have a little rethink on how they're doing things.
 
Patterdale said:
You know what, I really do think that the RSPCA needs a good review of its activities and political agenda.

But i really do think that these uninformed anti RSPCA rants are getting a bit silly now.
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I agree - I'm not opposed to a big charity like this (in fact any large charity) having some sort of review and accountability especially where they are prosecuting people. Any Government Organisation has regular review and is accountable to Ministers and the electorate.

I'm not sure how far the Charities Commission goes when reviewing a charitys activities? I know they will look at accounts and policys to make sure they are spending money as they should. But I don't know if they look at something like any complaints procedure that might be in place and how they use that to improve their interactions with the public.

However the bigger the organisation with more interventions they carry out the more likely that you will get some things that go wrong and it probably is overall a very small percentage because mostly people don't get angry about things that go well. But when it does go wrong then it needs to be properly reviewed and lessons learnt not just ignored and swept under the carpet.

The ranting just makes people look like they have a personal vendetta and little of it is based on any provable facts just anecdotal evidence of a handful of people.
 
there is provable evidence . you just have to be in the right job to find it, or trawl through many legal documents . if you have nothing else to do ! i personally have no agenda . i like fairness . i dont like bullying.i want to see all animals looked after well. i dont think the policies of the charity are working and they need to have a huge rethink and change the way they go about things . of course if you are talking kittens in microwave , then thats a different matter of course , and a no brainer.
 
lamehorse said:
any country really that doesnt value animals as we , generally, do ! i picked china because i read an article on the dogs that they eat. they are taken to market in crates with their front legs broken and tied behind their backs. when someone buys one to take home and eat they are taken out of the crate and thrown into a large vat of boiling water , alive , boiled for a while and then given to the customer . FACT . so you can see why , that old mans horses looked to me , to be absolutely fine !
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Oh, you read an article..... Well, must be fact then!

May I suggest you visit the country and said markets before you judge? As I was there 2 weeks ago and my brother lives there, and, having walked round miles & miles of proper local markets, I saw no animal abuse.
 
TheMule said:
May I suggest you visit the country and said markets before you judge? As I was there 2 weeks ago and my brother lives there, and, having walked round miles & miles of proper local markets, I saw no animal abuse.
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But hang on, it's well documented. Dog meat trade, skinning of live animals for the fur trade. And whilst in most cases this goes on covertly, it happens.
 
RSPCA are in principal a fantastic idea, i just wish that their field officers had more training as to what is & isnt acceptable. Weve seen so many examples on here of how they have failed in their duty, is it any wonder people get frustrated & come on here & have a little rant.

As for China, its a shame that they do have such a bad reputation, sadly not undeserved. Some of the worst animal cruelty seems to come from China. You have to remember its not just eating cats & dogs, its also the trade in tiger, rhino & elephant parts that is also rife there, causing some amazing animals to be on the brink of extinction.
 
But are all these people against the actual RSPCA, or the RSPCA which is portrayed on forums, where no disrespect, there are bound to be a few disgruntled people over the decades of prosecuting those who abuse and neglect who have access to the internet!!!??? Some of what I hear on these forums is actually laughable, am not saying all but some. But a lot of people are making their minds up on what they read, not what they know......
 
competitiondiva said:
But are all these people against the actual RSPCA, or the RSPCA which is portrayed on forums, where no disrespect, there are bound to be a few disgruntled people over the decades of prosecuting those who abuse and neglect who have access to the internet!!!??? Some of what I hear on these forums is actually laughable, am not saying all but some. But a lot of people are making their minds up on what they read, not what they know......
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I'm not against the RSPCA, just frustrated with their lack of intervention where it's clearly required, and they're overall lack of education.

I agree with those who say we can't do without them. But a massive re-think is needed.
 
I think it is fair to say that on the whole, the Chinese have differences in cultural attitudes to their animals in comparison to us. That's not to say that animals owned by individuals and families don't have good and loving care, rather that animals seen as a commodity probably don't get the same level of consideration as your average Brit would give them. But remember, we are well know as a nation of softies and are so in comparison to many of the other European countries, including the likes of Spain, Greece etc etc. I will never forget watching footage while at Uni in a lecture on Animal Welfare, of the treatment of a bull on a loading dock in Spain - it had broken its leg while being rushed up a ramp, so the loading guys got a loader, lifted it up and just dumped it in the sea to drown - just awful. Hence our regulations pertaining to animal welfare and usage in general are far tighter than in many other countries. I think for the most part we are lucky to have the RSPCA, but like all big organisations, it has its downfalls.

I think China is an obvious country to single out for its welfare problems as they are culturally so different in their actions to us - some of the practices I have read about that go on in the far east are abhorent - many of them carried out for chinese medicinal purposes (many of the endangered species in the world today including tiger, rhino and varieties of shark to name just a few, wouldn't be so at risk if it weren't for homeopathic eastern medicine), and don't even get me thinking about the use of and way Racoon dogs are killed in order to make fake Uggs....horrendous. I just *don't* understand why all humans, regardless of where they live and their cultures and the fact that they are usually just trying to make a living whatever the practice, don't just have the compassion to kill the animal - slit its throat, shoot it whatever - before they do whatever they have to do to process it, including skinning alive and chucking them in boiling water! I mean come on!

PS - sorry if that is a little off topic, just saw the Chinese thing and it got me thinking about such horrors....!
 
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navaho said:
RSPCA are in principal a fantastic idea, i just wish that their field officers had more training as to what is & isnt acceptable. Weve seen so many examples on here of how they have failed in their duty, is it any wonder people get frustrated & come on here & have a little rant.

As for China, its a shame that they do have such a bad reputation, sadly not undeserved. Some of the worst animal cruelty seems to come from China. You have to remember its not just eating cats & dogs, its also the trade in tiger, rhino & elephant parts that is also rife there, causing some amazing animals to be on the brink of extinction.
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Well said Navaho - I cross posted with you!
 
amymay said:
I'm not against the RSPCA, just frustrated with their lack of intervention where it's clearly required, and they're overall lack of education.

I agree with those who say we can't do without them. But a massive re-think is needed.
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But that's the problem Amymay, quite often it's a 'percieved' lack of intervention, when in actual fact, there has been intervention, just not that people are aware of. Then you get people coming on here, posting pictures, with little fact, just 'he said, that she said' stuff, making assumptions, saying it MUST be neglect and the RSPCA MUSTN'T have done anything because the horse hasn't been removed etc etc. People quite often just don't think outside the box, or realise (I am not saying that is there fault) that actually, something has been done, but that the RSPCA are in fact bound by data protection to give away information.

I am not for one second saying the RSPCA are perfect, no organisation is, and mistakes will be made, but the problem with the media, and forums like this, is that hysteria takes over, with chinese whispers, and assumptions which automatically become fact. And the end result is that people wholeheartedly think they know the truth, when in fact, they are far from it in most cases.:(
 
A Cat writhing in agony after being thrust into boiling water is not a fairytale, it is fact! Then having his/her remaining fur plucked out of them whilst they're still breathing..... that was a documentary from 10 years ago.. it was horrible to watch, but it does happen, none of us can deny that.
I watched a program where a person from abroad brought chargrilled Guinea pigs with him... being a Guinea Pig lover, I was sickened, but these people who eat our domestic house pets, don't see them the same way we do, those who are really poor have no choice to to eat what they can, it's just a pity it can't be done more humanely and the animal doesn't have to suffer and dies with dignity..
 
amymay said:
Genuine question. Do they actually do anything out there??
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This is taken from their website;


East Asia

With dynamic economies and rapidly changing social structures, China and other countries in East Asia have the potential to make great progress in the field of animal welfare.

The concept of animal welfare has seen a surge of interest from the government and the wider public that has enabled us to work on a wide range of societal and agricultural issues including animal welfare education, farm animal welfare and inspectorate development.In 2009, China agreed its first draft animal protection law and we are monitoring its progress. We have recently completed a five year programme of animal welfare education training in Taiwan and in late 2011, we ran our first ever shelter management training course in Korea. In early 2012, we hosted visits from several Korean delegations interested in farm assurance and labelling schemes, and in improving animal shelter conditions.



And for anyone interested, this is a short video on the work they are doing in Malawi.http://www.rspca.org.uk/in-action/international/malawivideo
 
in reply to themule. it is fact. i do not say or would not post anything that i cant back up . do not be rude or sarcastic to me there is no need for it and it is totally uncalled for . i am not stupid . stupidity is when you go to tourist areas and find no cruelty . what a surprise.
 
Shadeyoak said:
A Cat writhing in agony after being thrust into boiling water is not a fairytale, it is fact! Then having his/her remaining fur plucked out of them whilst they're still breathing..... that was a documentary from 10 years ago.. it was horrible to watch, but it does happen, none of us can deny that.
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I saw the documentary too and that ghastly scene is seared into my memory forever. :(
 
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