lme
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It would be a no from me, especially given your horse's past. wouldn't send a horse of mine away for schooling under any circumstances, and mine are quite straightforward.
Sending a horse for schooling
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millitiger
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I'd go and meet the person your OH has spoken to- you may meet him and decide he could work really well with your horse.
IrishMilo
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I wasn't aware of his previous driving/bolting history. So without meaning to sound facetious - what's the point of actually riding this horse? You don't enjoy it, he isn't enjoying it, and it sounds like another accident waiting to happen. I think you've given it a really fair shot but this is one of those times I'd just have to think, Life's too short for this $hit, and call it quits before you seriously come to harm.
poiuytrewq
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Because up until mid October, only 5/6 weeks ago things were brilliant. We were doing well
In the lessons, hacking alone and in company happily. We cantered the stubble a few times this year when it was nice ground.
He’s such a nice horse. I also don’t have the option to just get another one.
If I stop now In reality that’s probably it and I’m not really up for that yet.
quizzie
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So if it is a seasonal issue...what changes in his diet and management between the summer and winter months?
I seem to remember some posts by you on vitamin E/PSSM......and if I remember correctly a moderate dose made little difference?
Can I suggest you try a bottle of Nano-E ( I know it is very expensive), but some horses cannot absorb or utilise the normal forms of Vitamin E, and need this water based version without acetate bound to the tocopherol.
Does anything else vary at all?
I seem to remember some posts by you on vitamin E/PSSM......and if I remember correctly a moderate dose made little difference?
Can I suggest you try a bottle of Nano-E ( I know it is very expensive), but some horses cannot absorb or utilise the normal forms of Vitamin E, and need this water based version without acetate bound to the tocopherol.
Does anything else vary at all?
poiuytrewq
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This year, aiming to avoid a reply absolutely no change. He is still in the same routine, same forage, same feed.
The weather was still nice when he started this time round and the clocks hadn’t changed.
This was all purposely kept the same.
I have literally just got a negative PSSM result.
I’ve never heard of Nano-E
Currently trying a different magnesium and calcium carbonate mix.
quizzie
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Assuming it didn't coincide with a change to new seasons hay, and that he still has access to grass, then Vitamin E is a distinct possibility
Nano-E is a water miscellised form of natural vitamin which does not have an acetate molecule attached as all the powdered/oil versions do. Some horses appear not to be able to remove that acetate molecule, and therefore cannot transport or utilise it efficiently. It is sold in the UK by Saracen feeds.
I have one who was Vitamin E deficient(blood tested) , who despite up to 10,000 iu powdered natural vit E remained very deficient, it wasn't until we used the Nano-E that his blood level came up.
He could be explosive at times, and very reactive to certain things. I tested him for PSSM...negative, but undoubtedly responded to the Nano_E. He has never had the typical hard muscles of PSSM, and I suspect he has an as yet uncategorised muscle myopathy.
SpeedyPony
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The only thing that seems to have changed is the days getting shorter- if he's stabled at all could you put him under lights to increase the "daylight hours"? It sounds mad, but some people already do this to get mares cycling earlier in the year, so it can make a difference.
planete
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I take it you mean he tested negative for PSSM1? My pony with a muscle myopathy issue has also tested negative for PSSM1 and became seriously symptomatic in the Autumn last year. This year, I doubled the dose of natural vitamin E he is on during the rest of the year and am making sure he is rugged and kept warm at all times. So far I still have a happy free moving pony.
FlyingCircus
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Hate to be that person, but I'd probably go down the vet investigatory route.
My mare looked pretty sound on her good days (less so on her bad..!) but on her good days before we got to bottom of all her issues she was very reactive to ride in general...but only some of the year. Seemed linked to winter.
She turned out to have suspensory problems and a set of curiously shaped spinal processes. We assume her getting worse in winter was due to more work on the soft (arena and soft ground out hacking).
So many people saw her and thought she was sound. I thought I was going insane. She'd be perfect and then she'd be tense, stressy, upset and require a really understanding and experienced rider to talk her down from her "episodes". The smallest thing could set her off - usually nothing that was actually spooky. If another horse had left us or trotted past us in those moments, I think she'd have wiped the floor with me.
My mare looked pretty sound on her good days (less so on her bad..!) but on her good days before we got to bottom of all her issues she was very reactive to ride in general...but only some of the year. Seemed linked to winter.
She turned out to have suspensory problems and a set of curiously shaped spinal processes. We assume her getting worse in winter was due to more work on the soft (arena and soft ground out hacking).
So many people saw her and thought she was sound. I thought I was going insane. She'd be perfect and then she'd be tense, stressy, upset and require a really understanding and experienced rider to talk her down from her "episodes". The smallest thing could set her off - usually nothing that was actually spooky. If another horse had left us or trotted past us in those moments, I think she'd have wiped the floor with me.
Wishfilly
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Just to put the other side to this, does the guy your OH has spoken to know about the issues and the horse's full history? He may not be happy to have the horse arrive there and then find out he had a driving accident in the past?
At the very least, tell your OH that you need to speak to him directly before agreeing to anything?
At the very least, tell your OH that you need to speak to him directly before agreeing to anything?
AmyMay
Situation normal
My horse wouldn’t be going anywhere until I knew who this person was, what their processes were, what made them qualified to help ‘tricky’ horses and had spoken to people that had used him.
TPO
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And I'd add that horse had a clean vet work up to exclude, as far as possible, pain and confirm soundness
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
It does sound like a physical thing, but if I were you I'd totally ditch the magnesium.
AmyMay
Situation normal
Why?
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
Because (even though it allegedly doesn't adversely affect behaviour) many people have experience of horses reacting badly to it, myself included.
maya2008
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Given you have no school so hack mostly… does his attitude change when the hacking becomes more trot only and he just wants to run? I’ve had finer types of horse and they didn’t settle happily to a winter of walk and trot only hacking. I now have ponies who match what we can do, with school hire once a week only, so the winter is mostly trot.
Glitter's fun
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No shame in turning a horse away for the winter, used to be what everyone did.
Glitter's fun
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Wondering about the driving accident.
Chicken and egg! He was already a bolter by the sound of it, otherwise what caused the accident!
Do we know what time of year the accident was?
Chicken and egg! He was already a bolter by the sound of it, otherwise what caused the accident!
Do we know what time of year the accident was?
ILuvCowparsely
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