Sentenced to death: Afghan who dared to read about women's rights

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Maybe that is the case, but I think that what is happening to him is an atrocity full stop.

[/ QUOTE ]Are you as suprised as I am at the nature of many of the responses on this thread?
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Yes we do. Because we hold Western Values. Many in his country may not - they may see it as justice and that he was given what he deserved.
 
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...the least we can do is sign a petition for his release.


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How do you know people haven't?

[/ QUOTE ] She didn't say she knew people hadn't
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Are you as suprised as I am at the nature of many of the responses on this thread?

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No I am never surprised when people on HHO are unable to grasp/understand the written word.
 
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Are you as suprised as I am at the nature of many of the responses on this thread?

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No I am never surprised when people on HHO are unable to grasp/understand the written word.

[/ QUOTE ]You are soooo supercilious, as for "who do you think you are?" - right back at you
 
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For the third time;

Stella; can you please tell me who decides the "One Worlds views"?

[/ QUOTE ] Its a 'one world' view. As Sooty said, its a view of the world held by each individual that holds it. I would have thought with your very superior attitude you could work it out or read up on it, maybe you are not as smart as you think you are?
 
Stella; are you having trouble mastering the art of debate?

If you continue to make defamatory and personal comments towards me then I will have to notify Admin I'm afraid - Admin do request that people should not do this
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Getting back to the subject in question;

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its a view of the world held by each individual that holds it.

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Who are these individuals? Where do they come from? What do they do for a living?
 
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Yes we do. Because we hold Western Values. Many in his country may not - they may see it as justice and that he was given what he deserved.

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I am sure you are right, but we are involved in Afghanistan and have been for years. As I understand it, there was a relaxation in attitude which is now tightening up again. I can only commend this young man for taking the risk he took to try and improve life for the women in his country. If he knew that risk he was taking, it was a very brave thing to do. He is trying to change things from within, which is commendable and should be supported (IMHO) as being preferable to changes being forced onto a country from outside. But like China, there is a long way to go before human rights actually mean anything in many countries. As you say, I am opposed to the death penalty anyway, but in this case it seems ludicrously barbaric.
 
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maybe you are not as smart as you think you are?


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OR....maybe I am just figuring out yours?
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Yes there's always a thin line between silly and brave. I think you may be correct though and if so, then yes he was incredibly brave to do what he did.
 
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Have the last word .... I know it makes you happy ....

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Oh! So now you know what makes me happy. My word you must be a very amazing little girl. You know nothing about what makes me happy, so kindly refrain from spouting claptrap.

I wouldn't mind though if you were to answer my questions about the "One World" views: Who are these individuals? Where do they come from? What do they do for a living? Most importantly what qualifies them for this position to speak for the whole world? I am genuinely interested
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I think what worries me most about Islamic countries such as this is that they seem to be regressing, not progressing, in terms of issues which I personally think are so fundamental that they override cultures, such as individual basic freedoms and womens rights. This is despite greater access to media and assistance than Western countries had at a similar stage of development.

There is an idealogically recognised field of international law and indeed human rights work that Amnesty International is involved in. I would like to think that I am one of those who would stand up for what is fundamentally so right rather than be bowed down by those who seek to oppress by hiding behind what they claim is their culture. Culture is of course ever changing and not fixed, yet the Islamic countires are at present not progressing but regressing in many basic parameters of human development. So, yes I do feel we should interfere, certainly by using non war means (the so-called "just war" is a whole other legal arguement). I would like to think I would have stood up and said Nazi Germany should likewise be quelled rather than standing it back and letting it develop. The other reason for interfering is of course that such Islamic notions threaten all of us, with access to nuclear weapons, terrorism on our own shores and attitudes to women amongst immigrants - I know there are certain parts of my own country primarily lived in by Islamic groups that I would not dare for example go for a run through for fear of remarks or worse. The danger is that this spreads.

Introduction of limited Sharia law is of course another issue altogether. I am not a fan, it is a limited fixed, poorly thought out legal system which cannot by its intrinsic deductive nature adapt to basic modern conceps such as commerce which Roman law several thousand years ago had already well thought out. Certain Jewish law within English law is a long established anomaly which is suboridinate to the UK courts. Why stop at Sharia law? What about minority courts for every non UK national living in the UK? Do other countries do this? Is there any legal need? No.
 
I've signed the petition.

Was wondering what does everyone think about the man jailed for 4 years in Dubai for having 0.003 (i think) of cannabis in the tread of his shoe (not visible to the naked eye)
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Hmmmm... you do yourself a disservice Sooty
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LOL - thanks Tia! My trouble is I get so heated and passionate about things, although I am getting better at reading posts through before adding them, and often deleting them! I am also getting better at letting people have a different view from mine...
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Even if they are wrong.
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HH replies, came from being informed and was able to give an informed opinion.

This sort of topic always causes a heated debate.

The problem is extremism, not always dispalyed purely by muslims-look at hitler.
 
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Maybe that is the case, but I think that what is happening to him is an atrocity full stop.

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I agree.

Whilst I see the point about not interfering too much with other cultures, I think there should be a standard of basic human rights, the world over.
 
So are we self appointed Policemen of the world, who gave us the right to be and who gave the right to them that gave them the right, we cant even police our own soddin country, never mind somebody elses, just look at the news, firemen and Ambulance staff attacked ect ect, we should be getting our own house in order before spouting off and interfering in other countries.
 
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So are we self appointed Policemen of the world, who gave us the right to be and who gave the right to them that gave them the right, we cant even police our own soddin country, never mind somebody elses, just look at the news, firemen and Ambulance staff attacked ect ect, we should be getting our own house in order before spouting off and interfering in other countries.

[/ QUOTE ] But this is just about expressing our views and support for someone, not trying to Police other countries. The USA has acted as a self appointment World Policeman for decades and I hate the fact that we join them 'poodle like' in that. I agree with you that we need to focus our own nation's efforts on bringing some sense to our law and order problems. While we do that though, surely there is nothing wrong with individuals expressing disquiet about human rights abuses?
 
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