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a highly pertinent subject, specially after reading some of the posts on HHo!

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Aug
31
2010

Tags: training

After the whole discussion the past two days about the aggressive stallion who has hurt his owner pretty significantly, I thought today was a good day for a discussion about boundaries.

If I think about it, the lack of boundaries is probably at the root of my dislike for a lot of natural horsemanship training that I see being practiced. The horse simply doesn’t ever get a clear, concise signal that something he did was wrong. Therefore, being a horse, he starts to expand the range of his behavior. He says, hey, if I barged into him and that was okay, maybe I can smack him with my head the next time. And there was that day when I was fidgety and she didn’t ride me because Pat says it’s ok not to ride on a day when they don’t feel like being ridden, so maybe this time I will strike at her in the cross-ties. I bet that will get me put back. It does, too. The problem is, within months the horse is at the auction and by now he’s behaving so badly, no one but Mr. Kill Buyer wants him. I call it killing with kindness. People try to form this sweet, punishment-free bond of love with their horse, and they end up creating a rank, out of control horse they are scared of – and then the magical bond of love breaks and they dump him at the sale. Amazing how that happens.

Horses are pretty much exactly like kids in this respect. No, you don’t have to – nor should you – beat them. But you do have to set boundaries they can’t ever cross without consequences they don’t like, and the consequences have to be simple and immediate. And believe it or not, they will still love you when you do this! They’ll actually love you more. Love is strengthened by respect in both human and human-animal relationships, and horses are actually the easier ones to set boundaries with so they are a good place to practice.

For example, if a horse is trying to barge along, I don’t just run alongside like a kite on a string. I take the time to stop, growl, back the horse up a few steps and then ask him to proceed at the speed I was wanting to walk. Yes, this takes time. Part of the reason bad habits get created is that people are in a hurry. A groom may have fifty horses to put out into individual turnouts, so the last thing he wants to do is mess with teaching yours not to drag people. Or you yourself may be in a hurry and not think it’s a big deal – but it really is a big deal. Those little incidents where the horse lacks respect blossom into bigger and bigger incidents until you’re the one with the broken nose, or worse.

One of the most important things you can teach a horse is plain old “whoa” aka “ho.” Whoa means that you plant your feet on the ground and that is where they stay. It is not a suggestion. I have seen people ho-ho-ho’ing like Santa Claus and the horse still isn’t listening. When you realize you’re doing that, you know that your horse isn’t taking your command seriously at all. It is time to escalate to something he takes seriously. It is not abusive to lead a horse who barges with a whip and give him pop on the chest if he doesn’t stop on the voice command. Just walk right next to him with that whip in front of his chest and ask him to stay at your shoulder where he belongs. And when he does stop on the voice command only, politely, make sure you pet him and tell him he’s good. Make simple rules and make sure good behavior is always rewarded and bad behavior is always corrected. It should go without saying that nothing works if you aren’t consistent. The same bad behavior needs to result in the same response on a consistent basis. It can be a whip or the flat of your hand. If you’re leaving welts for anything less serious than striking at you or charging at you, you’re overdoing it in my book. The point of the correction is a quick sting that says “that was the wrong thing to do.” The goal is not to create an injury because you are angry. I’ve said it before here, and so has every good trainer in the world – never discipline in anger. All discipline should be is you saying to the horse that what he did was totally unacceptable and should not be repeated. It is never about revenge, anger, or putting on a show because people are watching and you think you look like a cowboy/cowgirl. (P.S. You never do if you’re doing that. You just look like a douchebag!)

So let’s talk about this today: I want to hear about horses you got that were spoiled and had no boundaries, and how you installed boundaries and good manners and got them back to being productive members of equine society. I’m sure these stories will benefit other readers who are dealing with the same challenges, so bring them on!
 
me first! got my 10yo welsh D in march, owner clearly nervous of him on the ground, trotted him up in a headcollar but still was barged and had no control. put leadrope in horses mouth to stop him biting her, would let him decide when he wanted to stop eating to have his tack put on, he refused every fence unless it was on his terms, would refuse to hack out alone, kicks when asked to move out of my space, swings round on you very quickly without thought for your space or welfare, bucks when asked to trot or canter too quickly because she would let him run forward into canter after 3 strides.

all of this on a 10yo who was cut at 6! not the way to treat a rig, give them an inch they take a mile, theyr too smart and hormonal to have no boundarys!! like a child!

this has taken 6 months to fix. he is now lead in a monty roberts dually halter because he would decide he wanted to be on the other side of the yard and just GO, you being dragged behind. he no longer gets treats because this caused the biting, i had to handle him with a short crop to stop him turning and kicking me when being tacked, not beating, just a short tap on the bum when he kicked, i ride through the bucks and persist with my motive until he stops tantruming, he now DOES leave the yard alone and can be trotted up on the end of the lead rope through practice and a firm sticky out elbow.
 
For example, if a horse is trying to barge along, I don’t just run alongside like a kite on a string. I take the time to stop, growl, back the horse up a few steps and then ask him to proceed at the speed I was wanting to walk. Yes, this takes time. Part of the reason bad habits get created is that people are in a hurry.

YES! sometimes it takes me half an hour to turn out when he reverts! but you have to persevere!!!
came back from holiday last week and he had gone straight to square one because other people aren't as consistent as i am with him, but we have a mutual respect now and a better, healthier relationship with eachother :)
 
Horses need boundaries. You cannot afford to bunny hug something that has the potential to kill (and by kill I don't mean goes out buys a hand gun....I clearly mean by kicking, crushing and the likes-accidental as opposed to pre-meditated :) )
You owe it to the people that are around you and your horse to instill manners.
Horses, no matter how clever we think they are, are still incapable of holding deep and meaningful conversations where you can talk it through!
Don't beat your horse into submission by any means, but show clear and conscise boundaries on what is and isn't to be tolerated.
If you can't do this maybe you should be looking into getting stick insects?
 
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