Sharing my lorry, being fair with costs!

She's paid £30 insurance? So flipping what!

The more I've heard, the more ridiculous this situation sounds. She's not your friend, she's an ungrateful mean spirited cowbag who is walking all over your kindness.

I would stop her using it from this point forwards.
 
Holly Hocks said:
There are some great tips on here! I've got a 3.5t van conversion - some people call them tin cans, I call it my horsebox - it does as it says on the tin - carries the horse! Anyway, at a previous yard, someone kept telling me that they would never travel a horse in one of those, they are dangerous etc etc.......when the floor dropped out of their far superior one, they asked if they could take mine to an event - I *******ing think not! after all you've said! After all if they're so dangerous, why would you want to risk your precious horse in mine!
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Oh wow what rude people, i think there cute little lorries! Mines a real pride and joy to me! No, i think i've decided, if she carries on like she's being at the moment i will take her off and say its not working. However if she smartens up with the attitude and becomes perhaps a bit more grateful then i think half m.o.t, tax and her cost to go on insurance plus £25 towards the general fee of insurance would be alright, and obviously topping up the fuel as and when she uses it!

other than that, she could pay her insurance bit and then £10 every time she uses it, depending on the miles she does, and for her to be willing to help us out on the odd favour of driving! I think i prefer the first though!

If anyone thinks that would be to much money to ask, please say! i'd hate to ask to much and look like a tight so n so! :cool: :rolleyes:
 
Give her the £30 back if you feel guilty and say sorry but it's not working so you are ending the agreement. If your friend with cancer can't drive sometimes maybe you can find someone who will help out when they can't. Even if you have to give them some money and buy them a burger for lunch it will surely be a much better arrangement. PS. Don't know your age/circs etc but maybe long term plan would be to be able to drive it yourself?
 
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Ditchjumper2 said:
Give her the £30 back if you feel guilty and say sorry but it's not working so you are ending the agreement. If your friend with cancer can't drive sometimes maybe you can find someone who will help out when they can't. Even if you have to give them some money and buy them a burger for lunch it will surely be a much better arrangement. PS. Don't know your age/circs etc but maybe long term plan would be to be able to drive it yourself?
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^ This
She's not driving it for you anyway, so you're not getting anything out of the agreement other than some regular runs for your lorry. If it's anything like mine it doesn't mind a bit of standing about!

Wear and tear is a huge part of vehicle maintenance. There's a reason we get £0.40/mile for a CAR on expenses.
 
Ditchjumper2 said:
Give her the £30 back if you feel guilty and say sorry but it's not working so you are ending the agreement. If your friend with cancer can't drive sometimes maybe you can find someone who will help out when they can't. Even if you have to give them some money and buy them a burger for lunch it will surely be a much better arrangement. PS. Don't know your age/circs etc but maybe long term plan would be to be able to drive it yourself?
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Hopefully hopefully hopefully- all being that the insurance people wont be stingy so n so's and charge us loads, my OH will be going on the insurance next month but as he's only 21 it's looking like it'll be 75% of what we pay already to put him on, but it'll be worth it! He's a very sensible safe driver and drives his own lorry occasionally for his parents! My grandmother is also determined to give driving it ago and is looking into doing the HGV course (even though it isnt a HGV lorry) just to get some tips and proper instruction on driving a lorry, has anyone done this course? heard of it?

It would be quite a nice feeling (as and when i get another driver) to say that i couldn't take her horse as it would stop me taking both of mine ;) taste of her own medicine eh! :rolleyes:
 
OP - what are YOU actually getting out of this deal? Higher mileage clocked up on your lorry is all I can see.

You need to be firm and ask for maintenance/wear and tear on the lorry. She should also be paying far more for the insurance. How would she feel if you said she had to insure it and you paid the extra for your driver? Fair is fair - share is share. This is not a share this is a pee take!

Mention things like tyres, brakes, oil, servicing, tax and any other bits and bobs the box may need in the meantime.
 
I'm a little confused. The more i've read, the more i'm a little confused. Do you want to share the lorry with her or not? She's either p***ing you off so much you just don't want to share it with her or it's actually about the money. Which one? Either give her her insurance money back or don't and say it's for maintenance costs and the lorry is no longer available for sharing. Just find a new sharer who will pay more toward it if it's about the money.
 
So she is using it approx 100 times a year - and you 12!! :eek:

I think you have got the right end here - Just break it off now, give her £10 back - and thats the END of that. - cheeky cow! - Dont mention the slagging thing - just say its a money thing - dont get personalities involved and she cant mess you about and say sorry and pleaaaase can she keep using it...

Good luck!

In terms of the HGV test - its fairly full on i think!!! How about just a few lessons instead - to get the tips, but not the full certificate.
 
Happy Hunter said:
So she is using it approx 100 times a year - and you 12!! :eek:

I think you have got the right end here - Just break it off now, give her £10 back - and thats the END of that. - cheeky cow! - Dont mention the slagging thing - just say its a money thing - dont get personalities involved and she cant mess you about and say sorry and pleaaaase can she keep using it...

Good luck!

In terms of the HGV test - its fairly full on i think!!! How about just a few lessons instead - to get the tips, but not the full certificate.
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Whoopit said:
I'm a little confused. The more i've read, the more i'm a little confused. Do you want to share the lorry with her or not? She's either p***ing you off so much you just don't want to share it with her or it's actually about the money. Which one? Either give her her insurance money back or don't and say it's for maintenance costs and the lorry is no longer available for sharing. Just find a new sharer who will pay more toward it if it's about the money.
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Yeah thats proberly about right lol, or though my mare's coming to the age that i want to compete her quite seriously so my usage will go up.

Yes i have got a bit confusing about what i want, its so difficult because she's actually a very close family friend, so im trying to avoid confrontation and fall out but i dont want to be ripped off,

I am hoping she will get a trailer soon, but i think tomorrow i will have a chat with her and be completely honest about how im feeling about costs etc and the fact that i will be using it a lot more next year (which might shimmy her along to buy another trailer).

As i said, hoping that by the end of the month i will have two drivers that will be free to drive me, so the ammount the box is free wont be often!

If she's difficult tomorrow, i will get my gran to speak to her, which will be very abrupt and to the point:P Thanks all:)
 
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So you have asked her before to take you? I can see her point about only taking one kid, I would either take both or neither! And I wouldn't want to be taking someone else places either, unless its something you enjoy it can be a bit boring!
It sounds like you were thinking as you were doing her a favour you would have a call on her as a driver? Which she isn't happy with obviously. And you are not happy sharing your lorry, so end the arrangement.
 
SusieT said:
So you have asked her before to take you? I can see her point about only taking one kid, I would either take both or neither! And I wouldn't want to be taking someone else places either, unless its something you enjoy it can be a bit boring!
It sounds like you were thinking as you were doing her a favour you would have a call on her as a driver? Which she isn't happy with obviously. And you are not happy sharing your lorry, so end the arrangement.
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She's extremely horsey and enjoys going to events, the events i go to (which she wants to go to occasionally) only one of her kids can do anyway, the other would just be there to sit on the pony all day! - pony would be there for company for the other!

It was a one time favor as my driver was very poorly that day - i'd pre booked as well ( i said earlier he is a cancer sufferer) - she does know about his illness and knew it was only a one time favor. I don't mind sharing the lorry, this post was originally about how much money i should be asking for the use of the lorry as she only paid £30 for insurance and tops up fuel when she can afford it, i only added the extra about things she's been saying/doing to fill people in a bit more! :)
 
You really are being taken for a mug! :eek:
I'd work out your average annual costs, taking into account everything:- insurance, tax, mot/plating, maintenance, repairs, storage etc then divide by twelve and charge her half per month plus her fuel on top, especially if she is using it more than you.
If she was a true friend she would be happy to share the cost and not take advantage of you.
 
Well I'm looking at this from my side, and believe me you are being very patient, i can drive a lorry and have done once or twice, but i'd sell my soul to have someone else drive me as i'm a total chicken, can go forwards, just dont ask me to reverse. If it's your lorry, insist on driving and charge per mile, she'll soon get the message!!
 
SpottyTB said:
as she only paid £30 for insurance and tops up fuel when she can afford it,
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Reading this, it sounds more like you are sharing her lorry, not the other way round! She has given you precisely nothing for the insurance - she has given the insurance company £30 to enable her to drive whenever she wants - I wish my premium was that flippin' cheap! Sounds like she is the main user anyway, which could have implications on the insurance validity. She is well and truly taking the P, and, (being charitable here), may not realise it. If I could use my lorry 2/3 times a week for an insurance premium of £30, no other running costs, and topping up the fuel "when I can afford it" I'd be over the moon! (I sincerely hope the topping up fuel "when she can afford it" doesn't mean that, literally, and that she replaces every single litre she uses...........otherwise she really has fallen on her feet, and you have been taken for a very long ride!)
 
Groom42 said:
Reading this, it sounds more like you are sharing her lorry, not the other way round! She has given you precisely nothing for the insurance - she has given the insurance company £30 to enable her to drive whenever she wants - I wish my premium was that flippin' cheap! Sounds like she is the main user anyway, which could have implications on the insurance validity. She is well and truly taking the P, and, (being charitable here), may not realise it. If I could use my lorry 2/3 times a week for an insurance premium of £30, no other running costs, and topping up the fuel "when I can afford it" I'd be over the moon! (I sincerely hope the topping up fuel "when she can afford it" doesn't mean that, literally, and that she replaces every single litre she uses...........otherwise she really has fallen on her feet, and you have been taken for a very long ride!)
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She put £50 in it yesterday as she used it 3/4 without filling it up ad they were quite long journeys, she usually puts in a tenner's worth off fuel every other week I think. She has already managed to knock the wingmirror off on passenger side which thankfully was easily fixed! I Spose its like she was moaning because the lights wernt working nor was the heater, we don't tend to use it in the winter so we don't need lights or a heater but we paid for it to be done and she didn't even offer to pay half. I suppose my granddad who owns it and pays for everything is to generous but even he's getting a bit grumpy especially when he heard she'd been rude when asked that favour.

It will be sorted and the idea about charging per months a very good idea!!

:)
 
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DragonSlayer said:
Let us know when you have resolved the situation, I'm interested to know her response....as i'm a nosy devil!

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Okay I will do :) handed the situation over to my gran who's slightly less talk and more to the point- so when the conversation actually happens I'll let you all know, just off to work out costs :)
 
I've just booked mine in for it's mot thingy....£90 :eek: tax for 6 months £98, can't remember how much insurance/ breakdown is but say £300. So you're looking at at least £50 per month just to keep it on the road and then theres maintenance and all the extras and that's before you've put any fuel in!
 
Quote "She put £50 in it yesterday as she used it 3/4 without filling it up ad they were quite long journeys, she usually puts in a tenner's worth off fuel every other week I think. She has already managed to knock the wingmirror off on passenger side which thankfully was easily fixed!"

The woman is certainly taking the P, putting in £50 is ok but she's used the fuel anyway so she's not doing you any favors. As for putting £10 in every other week, well that's no good. I have a 7.5 ton Daf & that does about 16 miles to the gallon & diesel at the moment is around £6.20 per gallon so in reality she's only putting in 25 miles worth every 2 weeks.

She's getting free use of a lorry whenever she wants & you as owner are getting nothing, no financial help & no help with driving when you need it. This arrangement needs ending or radially changing because it is so heavilly loaded in her favor.

Let's home you Grandmother sorts it out....sounds like she will. ;)
 
Put together a very basic spreadsheet. Include the following

Tax
Plating
Depreciation
Normal fixes per year (allow some pool of money)

then you have something solid in your hand and can sit down (or your gran can) to say that - this lorry costs (for the sake of arguement, just plucked a figure out of my head) £1500 per year to keep on the road. As she is using it for x period of time, having looked at the figures, worked out roughly how much it costs you for the extra mileage she is putting on, she needs to contribute 1/3 or 1/2 of the OVERALL lorry costs as you are sure she appreciates you cannot subsidise her. And say that you understand she may not want to do this in which case you are happy to stop the arrangement.
 
SpottyTB said:
She put £50 in it yesterday as she used it 3/4 without filling it up ad they were quite long journeys, she usually puts in a tenner's worth off fuel every other week I think. She has already managed to knock the wingmirror off on passenger side which thankfully was easily fixed! I Spose its like she was moaning because the lights wernt working nor was the heater, we don't tend to use it in the winter so we don't need lights or a heater but we paid for it to be done and she didn't even offer to pay half. I suppose my granddad who owns it and pays for everything is to generous but even he's getting a bit grumpy especially when he heard she'd been rude when asked that favour.

It will be sorted and the idea about charging per months a very good idea!!

:)
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So she's not even paying for the fuel she actually uses? If she uses it 2/3 times a week and only puts in £5 of fuel a week that is absolutely nothing! Five quid only gets me about 35 miles in a 1.3 KA!

She is taking you for a complete and utter ride - and take advantage of a young girl which is so unfair. Either start charging her properly as of right now [plus I would backdate charge her for all the fuel she has used!], or end the agreement. You're getting nothing out of it at all!
 
sounds so ungrateful to me!!
Lady on our yard took me to an xc day, she offered coz she knew i wouldnt ask and i think i hugged her.
i tried to offer her some money but she refused (she was going too) i cleaned her lorry for her after!
I think she should be pleased your letting her use it and be trying to help you out!!!
 
I just bought my first lorry, shared 50/50 with prev housemate before that.

I have insured it any driver so if I fall off Sharer can find an adult to drive her and the horses home, expect adult will be her dad so obs if he needs to pick up something large I'd lend it to him but not planning on lending it out will nilly

She's 24, slightly scruffy looking and quirky to drive but she's road legal with a new floor and to me she is the most goreous box EVER!! Would never lend it to anyone regularly, if they damage it I'm stuck with no wheels for the horses.
 
Totally in shock!! Think i might have sorted it, obviously caught her in a reasonable mood today. Sat down and had a cup of coffee and i said how would she feel about paying towards maintenance etc. She said that was totally fine and she wouldn't mind, so i said my gran would be in touch about actual costs. Turns out she wants to buy a trailer by the summer anyway, also dropped a few hints about that one show I've pre entered for and she said she might be able to take me!

She also said how skint she was today and that she would not be using it apart from her lessons which are every other week and about 25miles away. So will obviously mention that i expect the tank to be full up when i use it next, totally surprised that there were no narky comments!

:D
 
SpottyTB said:
Totally in shock!! Think i might have sorted it, obviously caught her in a reasonable mood today. Sat down and had a cup of coffee and i said how would she feel about paying towards maintenance etc. She said that was totally fine and she wouldn't mind, so i said my gran would be in touch about actual costs. Turns out she wants to buy a trailer by the summer anyway, also dropped a few hints about that one show I've pre entered for and she said she might be able to take me!

She also said how skint she was today and that she would not be using it apart from her lessons which are every other week and about 25miles away. So will obviously mention that i expect the tank to be full up when i use it next, totally surprised that there were no narky comments!

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I bet she's on HHO!!!!! ha ha, she's read the responses and realised how ungrateful/lucky she is!! I love it!! Great outcome, you get some help with running it and to go to the event, she has had her taking for granted pointed out to her and no nastiness.
 
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