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Only one really, really shines in "pure" dressage from my research. All of the pure TB World Class GP performers that I've been able to find have Hyperion as sire line, most often to Tudor Minstrel. And there haven't been very many in the last thirty years. Hyperion is also the sireline for Prince Thatch and Lauries Crusador.

And that's something to think about, especially when looking for event horses.

If you all know of pure TBs in "pure" GP dressage, I'd appeciate knowing about them.
 
My old lady is 7/8 Tb and has Hyperion from her sire's dam-line. She competed to PSG/Inter I level and actually did all the GP work. I desperately wanted a foal from her to pulled her out of competition to breed. She has bred three top quality foals as well. First one now under saddle and clocked 68% in her first competition last week.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/lucky+miss+perrier
 
Does it matter how far back the xx is? How about Der Loewe xx (Pop Art as an example, although a long way back) and Pik As xx? No Hyperion there. Perhaps not the height of modern breeding so not relevant though.

Totilla's closest TB influence (although there is more in there, obviously, as in pretty much all modern WBFSB horses) comes from Mahaghoni, son of Pasteur xx so no Hyperion there, either. Rembrandt's came close up through the damline through Angelo xx.
 
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Oops, did not read for content. Thought you were talking about TB influence, not TBs themselves.

Karin Davis had a TB GP horse, first in Australia then later in Canada. I'll see if I can find a pedigree for him.

Edited because I found Mighty Height's pedigree and it indeed has Hyperion. :)
 
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And there's Mieuxce in your mare's sire line. :) And Hyperion and Son-In-Law and, and....

Bolero, of course, was 3/4 TB; sireline to Djebel; and he has lots and lots of Gainsborough (Hyperion's sire) in the far reaches of his pedigree, but only one line to Hyperion. Gainsborough's grandsire was Bay Ronald who was the foundation sire for the modern German WB--and German TBs.

Lgd said:
My old lady is 7/8 Tb and has Hyperion from her sire's dam-line. She competed to PSG/Inter I level and actually did all the GP work. I desperately wanted a foal from her to pulled her out of competition to breed. She has bred three top quality foals as well. First one now under saddle and clocked 68% in her first competition last week.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/lucky+miss+perrier
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vineyridge said:
And there's Mieuxce in your mare's sire line. :) And Hyperion and Son-In-Law and, and....
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Old-fashioned bloodlines and not a whiff of Northern Dancer :D
Can't link to pics from work - will try later today - but she is quite chunky in type and used to get taken for a small WB when she hit advanced level and really muscled up.
 
Stravinsky
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=145990&blood=10&quota=
He was Polish bred, and his official TB pedigree per US Jockey Club is here:
http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-P...)&foaling_year=1988&nicking_stats_indicator=Y


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Sire line is Dark Ronald/Bay Ronald. Octavanius is sire line Dark Ronald/Bay Ronald. Blaue Donau's dam has Dark Ronald/Bay Ronald as tail male line. Ticino's dam has Dark Ronald/Bay Ronald as tail male line. Nixie has Dark Ronald/Bay Ronald tail male.
Tudor Minstrel is Hyperion/Gainsborough/Bayardo/Bay Ronald tail male. Rose of Doncaster is Fair Trial tail male, whose dam is a daughter of Son-In-Law/Dark Ronald/Bay Ronald; and on the bottom, she is sire line to Teddy, whose dam was a daughter of Bay Ronald; her sire's damline is to Hyperion.

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Tail male to Alchimist/Dark Ronald, who is also in the sire side tail male. Sica Boy is Teddy tail male--Bay Ronald. Teddy's son, Asterus was bred to Naic by Gainsborough--Bay Ronald. Their son Jock was bred to the Solario (sire Gainsborough--Bay Ronald) daughter, Fille de Soleil. She is tail female to Concertina, the dam of Plucky Liege who produced so many great sires with Teddy. Folle Nuit is a tail male granddaughter of Asterus. Casanova is sire line Hyperion/Gainsborough/Bay Ronald.

Without doing the numbers, Stravinsky would appear to me to be very, very high percentage Bay Ronald. :)

I'm a firm believer that having all three of the TB foundation sires in sire lines that appear on the first page of the pedigree is a very good thing. Stravinsky has several lines to Captain Cuttle who is Hurry On/Matchem. Sica brings in Herod through her sire Meridien. Most of the rest of Stravinsky's Herod comes in farther back through The Tetrarch. Almost all the rest is Eclipse.

I would point out that all of Bay Ronald is in serious danger of disappearing tail male, as is the entire Herod line. Matchem is close to dead in the UK/Ire, but is hanging on in NA. The Germans are keeping Dark Ronald alive through Acatenango, but even Germany seems to be giving way to Northern Dancer. The trend to a single TB sire line (Phalaris) is much worse in NA than other places in the world.
 
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my older mare has great grandfather right flare HIS now sport horse gb champion and she has inherited his lovely movement, right flare was sire of the first british dressage horse of the year many years ago, right flare sired many lovely horses a lot were dark bay with white bits and good middleweights often mistaken for warmbloods, i also had my mares uncle brother to her mother who won dressage.

my latest generation is introducing new tb through grey sovereign and sovereign path.
 
Finally got round to linking up at home. Faceache won't do individual pics. P is the bay horse in the albums. The chestnut is her eldest daughter Belle.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.35569552977.43359.673237977&type=1&l=d67711ecf8

With her second foal Firefly (colt)

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.397242062977.177329.673237977&type=1&l=d6dbed1aca

Bitter sweet album - her final foal Grace from this year who we sadly lost to complications from colitis

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150208094157978.333768.673237977&type=1&l=8c7639ac04
 
Right Flare is also Hyperion sire line. Is the uncle also Right Flare?

tristar said:
my older mare has great grandfather right flare HIS now sport horse gb champion and she has inherited his lovely movement, right flare was sire of the first british dressage horse of the year many years ago, right flare sired many lovely horses a lot were dark bay with white bits and good middleweights often mistaken for warmbloods, i also had my mares uncle brother to her mother who won dressage.

my latest generation is introducing new tb through grey sovereign and sovereign path.
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