SHB GB gradings

chrissie1 said:
ah, now I see AB's stallions breeding, they'd perhaps be 'hard pushed' to fail him..... given the performance (showing) of his dam etc etc etc
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This just reinforces the idea that they are looking for show animals- not 'sports horses'. Unless they've changed their names to 'show horse beeding'.

I think it demonstrates complete incompetency on the behalf of the society to recognise what is really important in breeding. Really, who cares how pretty its head is- if it can win eventing with such consistancy as MrM has shown, what more do you really need to prove?
 
cruiseline said:
A good plastic surgeon :D
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LOL!!!

I think it should be compulsory that all grading results be made public knowledge, that is the only way people can see that there is transparency within the system. Evaluators/judges should have the confidence in their convictions to go public with their opinions. After all BEF publicly announce their findings on all the young horses they evaluate, dressage test scores are publicly posted, they are all opinions. So why the secrecy at gradings?????
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I completely agree!!
 
JuliaFSH said:
I'm very proud to say that the first foal I ever bred Future Illicit Affair, who I only showed very lightly as a broodmare, went on to beat Aintree Oats at the National Hunter Show. Future Illicit Affair is the dam of my stallion Future Illusion, and she was by the stallion The Outlaw, that another poster on here bred - chrissie1.
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It's nice when that happens good for you. Its like when my boy won at RIHS in hunter breeding as an unknown OMG nearly recieved death treats!!! If the face fits, big shame.

Oh and Chrissie lovely lovely Stallion.:)
 
TheMule said:
This just reinforces the idea that they are looking for show animals- not 'sports horses'. Unless they've changed their names to 'show horse beeding'.

I think it demonstrates complete incompetency on the behalf of the society to recognise what is really important in breeding. Really, who cares how pretty its head is- if it can win eventing with such consistancy as MrM has shown, what more do you really need to prove?
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I added my remark rather 'tongue in cheek'...... not meaning that simply because the parents were household names meant the offspring should be graded as a right. if that makes sense?
 
chrissie1 said:
Thank you!

:)

Filly in my sig stems from the same family as The Outlaw.
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Yes and she has just had a baby by my lovely boy
Very beautiful baby
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She is just how I like a foal, with a fab shoulder and short coupled. But then again while I use some WB's, well OK these days a lot of WB's it seems, I stilll prefer them to look like 'hunters' or 'show horses'. :D

You' d probably like this mare's two year old by Demonstrator!
 
chrissie1 said:
She is just how I like a foal, with a fab shoulder and short coupled. But then again while I use some WB's, well OK these days a lot of WB's it seems, I stilll prefer them to look like 'hunters' or 'show horses'. :D

You' d probably like this mare's two year old by Demonstrator!
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She is beautiful
 
eventrider23 said:
Only used Zubin R as an example as he was later graded AES and got a Ster or something from KWPN on confo, which is what he failed SHB on...
i just find it baffling that they fail some youngsters on lack of a competition record....when they are 3......and yet look at another example, Sir Suave last year, who passed.....(note i like Sir Suave and not saying he shouldn't have)....just think is odd that they can fail horses on lack of record and you get one like Mister Meddicott who could not be more proven for a youngster and yet he fails....if only they would publish their results.
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Well see my Shagya Colt post. My three year old has just been approved for the stud book based on his confirmation and and movement he now has three years to prove performance in sj, dressage or endurance for his status to be confirmed. We can use him to cover mares now.
 
While I am by no means an expert I am amazed that Mister Maccondy didn't pass. He is quite clearly a classy horse with good movement, an excellent jump and an impeccable competition record. For a horse of his age, you couldn't ask for any more proof that he is a good horse. Furthermore, the fact that he has been so successful in his first season suggests that he is trainable and an excellent example of what everyone wants in a young eventer. Is there someone with a more experienced eye who could point out any conformational defects? I can't see any but I'm not qualified to say.

It is hard to judge Aveia who was passed from those pictures because there aren't enough to get a real impression of his movement and ability. The pictures shown aren't very good so it is hard to tell, but from what I can see I don't like his back end much. His rump seems a bit flat on top to me, giving the impression that he has a very long back. The pictures in trot are awful so I will give him the benefit of the doubt that it is just timing on behalf of the photographer.

In fact, out of all of them, Mister Maccondy is the only stallion I really like, although I think Skip and Sea has real potential. I just find it very confusing that the best example of an event horse isn't passed. It also really annoys me that the reasoning behind their choices isn't published. Transparency would surely lead to an increase in standards as people would have a better idea of what was required to pass.
 
Can't comment on why he is being presented for SHB maybe for a bigger mare book, dual registry?? I don't know.

He wouldn't automatically pass onto SHB as IDHS is a breed society not a performance stud book.

The fertility awards are for the previous years foaling returns.

Maesfen Sarah has the program so she will post the judges/inspectors names.
 
It is far overdue now, these gradings need to be far more open. There should be someone commentating after each horse is bought forward for inspection & then again after the loose jumping. Mare owners are paying to use these stallions I do not see what the secret of their scores accomplishes.
 
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