SHB(GB) What a waste of time and money

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I can honestly say that i will never ever ever register another animal with this studbook. It is expensive, time consuming and useless.
 
Genuiely interested as to why you think this? In the future (approx 3 years) I will be hoping to have a filly graded with them. Would like to know what issue's you have had with them maybe before I waste any money x
 
I did ask on FB, but like Magic, so far I've never had a problem with them and was going to use them for Mannie rather than IDHS as I'd only have to overstamp him with them too if I wanted to do hunter classes with him. Spill the beans please.
 
I've always found them great, Piper is registered with them and Dix had her Irish passport overstamped.
 
:cool:I've one horse registered with shbgb, found them to be straight forward and reasonably priced, my other horse is registered with kwpn, what a rip off they are had to pay £105 ish to join (compulsory) then roughly another £200 to register wish I hadn't bothered.
 
Well without going into all of the details as it would take an essay to tell the whole story it has taken 9 months and just over £400 to get a Auxillary stud book passport for a foal. i have had many conversations and emails with SHB(GB) and been given lots of conflicting information. To begin with when i first got the covering certificate from a graded stallion i asked whether i would get full papers for the foal as my mare was not graded SHB(GB), she is graded with another studbook. I was told yes. This is not the case. I also asked that if the registration documentation was filled out whilst the foal was on the mare would i need a DNA sample from the mare. I was told no, again this is not the case. I had sold the mare in the mean time so months later i had to ask her new owner to get her vet to send me a DNA sample. I sent my covering certificate and foal DNA at the end of September. I had not heard anything by Christmas so i contacted them. I was told that they had no record of receiving the documentation, a few days later however the documentation was found. I had during this time however already had my vet out again to take another DNA sample from the foal incurring further costs. I sent off the mares DNA shortly afterwards and have today 9 months on finally gotten an auxiliary studbook passport. Not a full studbook passport as promised. It would have cost about £180 with AES and i would have a full studbook passport. My well bred foal has the same level of passport that my accidental foal has from ungraded parents. how does this give incentive to use graded mare/stallions.
I believe stolensilver (if you search for her post regarding SHB(GB) had similar problems. In future i will use AES BHHS or WBB(UK) never SHB(GB)
 
You have my sympathy. I did have a similar (but not quite as bad) level of disorganisation when I was trying to get my foal's passport from them. I phoned before using a foreign stallion and checked in their rule book to make sure my foal would be eligible for full papers. My mare is graded with them. This would be fine they assured me.

The foal was born and sold so I sent off loads of money, I think it came to about £450 including membership fees which are obligatory as you can't register a foal with them unless you are a member. And in return I got a Certificate of Identification. Not even the lowest level of the studbook, just an ID. I was very angry and embarrassed. The poor buyer rang me, very confused as I'd promised him the foal would get full papers.

So I tried again. And again. And again. The woman who knew all about passports was on holiday (she seemed to have a lot of holidays which is great for her but not quite so good for me as no one else in the office appeared to have the foggiest)

Several weeks later another passport arrived. This time for the Auxillary studbook. Bearing in mind the foal is a stallion prospect this was no more use than the ID passport.

So I tried yet again with me quoting their rules to them. You couldn't make it up could you? And finally, 3 months after this whole fiasco started the correct, full passport arrived. Hallelujah!

Contrast this with last year's foal, by the same stallion and out of the same mare. The mare is only graded SHB(GB). I was so fed up of the hassle the year before I phoned the AES to see if I could get full papers from them. They said yes. I send off about £80 and within 10 days a full passport appeared. Fantastic!

So IMHO not only are the AES more organised and helpful when it comes to customer service they are also more respected worldwide with much higher rankings in the WBFSH rankings, top 10 for both showjumping and eventing.

I'd really like the SHB(GB) to succeed but right now they have a lot of work to do to become a serious studbook of anything other than show horses.
 
I had similar once - tried to insist my mare (registered broodmare with weatherbys) had no DNA on file and wanted another one done from her before they'd register the foal - many emails and phone calls later they eventually 'found' it.
 
stolensilver said:
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So IMHO not only are the AES more organised and helpful when it comes to customer service they are also more respected worldwide with much higher rankings in the WBFSH rankings, top 10 for both showjumping and eventing.

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Correct. They also have the knack, it seems to me, of simplifying the whole system.

My dealings with SHGB have been limited. I 'phoned to ask if they had published fertility rates for stallions who were registered with them, and was told that they did. I named a specific horse, a TB and was told that his "Published" rate was 62%.

Following on from several disastrous attempts to get more than one mare in foal to him, I wasn't issued with covering certificates, to record the fact that my mares were empty. I asked of SHGB what was the point in having a published fertility rate, when stallion owners weren't recording the failures, and was told "Well they're supposed to"!!

If others had a similar success rate to mine, then the reality was that his genuine fertility rate may well have been as low as 30%, even though the stud owner assured me that the horse had a good fertility rate.

I've rather wandered off topic, but if the registration authorities don't insist upon compliance of the rules, then what's the point in having them?

Alec.
 
I have used stallions graded with SHB(GB) for many years but cannot cope with them not accepting all of my Thoroughbred mares DNA which is bloodtyped not taken from a mane. They are all microchipped, etc Weatherby passports etc. I am not spending a fortune on each mare and foal so I now get all of their passports from BWBS smart passport, cheaper and full breeding etc. as long as you have a covering cert.
 
I know of a stallion owner who now uses AES in preference to SHB, having been an SHB supporter for years. Their level of bureaucracy seems staggering.
 
We've just received a passport back today from SHB(GB) that got firstly sent to the wrong place, secondly had the wrong owner in & 3rd had the wrong address....I did dispair slightly!
 
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