machannah
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Would a mare with hock spavins pass a mare grading for SHB?
SHB Grading
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Penniless
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I think you would be wasting your time in all honesty. Sorry if its not the answer you wanted.
machannah
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Thats fine, its not for me, its the answer I expected but wasnt 100% sure
Baggybreeches
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Quite possibly could pass, basically they break the horses conformation down into sections and give each section a mark out of 10, anything above a certain mark (could be 7) passes, and it is the average mark that determines a pass or fail. Also if a mare is presented with foal at foot the foal is taken into account and if the mare 'breeds up' well then that can also produce favourable marks.
We are hoping to grade my mum's mare in September with foal at foot, she also has a decent competition record but does have bog spavins, apart from that she is not too bad.
I will dig out the grading papers and tell you how they divide them up, as this might help you decide.
We are hoping to grade my mum's mare in September with foal at foot, she also has a decent competition record but does have bog spavins, apart from that she is not too bad.
I will dig out the grading papers and tell you how they divide them up, as this might help you decide.
S_N
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Also if a mare is presented with foal at foot the foal is taken into account and if the mare 'breeds up' well then that can also produce favourable marks.
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I was told that and it's not true! My mare had a cracking foal at foot that had already been awarded a BEF First Premium Diploma, when she was presented for SHB Grading and they did not consider that enough to warrent giving her a mark under her progeny above 0!!!! With the comment - 'done foal well'!!!
Also if a mare is presented with foal at foot the foal is taken into account and if the mare 'breeds up' well then that can also produce favourable marks.
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I was told that and it's not true! My mare had a cracking foal at foot that had already been awarded a BEF First Premium Diploma, when she was presented for SHB Grading and they did not consider that enough to warrent giving her a mark under her progeny above 0!!!! With the comment - 'done foal well'!!!
machannah
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Oh thats a shame, I thought a foal at foot did put a spin on it. Would be interested to see the scoring break down. Does past competition record count?
Ciss
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Also if a mare is presented with foal at foot the foal is taken into account and if the mare 'breeds up' well then that can also produce favourable marks.
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I was told that and it's not true! My mare had a cracking foal at foot that had already been awarded a BEF First Premium Diploma, when she was presented for SHB Grading and they did not consider that enough to warrent giving her a mark under her progeny above 0!!!! With the comment - 'done foal well'!!!
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I must admit that I do sometimes wonder where they are coming from <sigh> and the comment abiout the foal (not exactly insightful I feel!) is an example of why I do. Of course it might be that they only give a mark when the mare has produced progeny that has performed in affiliated classes under saddle (this is what the SPSS tends to do) but if this is the case they should make that clear prior to the assessment.
BTW, was the foal by a SHBGB stallion? I suppose if it wasn't they might have felt a bit insecure about commenting any further, but that's really not much help to you as a breeder.
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Also if a mare is presented with foal at foot the foal is taken into account and if the mare 'breeds up' well then that can also produce favourable marks.
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I was told that and it's not true! My mare had a cracking foal at foot that had already been awarded a BEF First Premium Diploma, when she was presented for SHB Grading and they did not consider that enough to warrent giving her a mark under her progeny above 0!!!! With the comment - 'done foal well'!!!
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I must admit that I do sometimes wonder where they are coming from <sigh> and the comment abiout the foal (not exactly insightful I feel!) is an example of why I do. Of course it might be that they only give a mark when the mare has produced progeny that has performed in affiliated classes under saddle (this is what the SPSS tends to do) but if this is the case they should make that clear prior to the assessment.
BTW, was the foal by a SHBGB stallion? I suppose if it wasn't they might have felt a bit insecure about commenting any further, but that's really not much help to you as a breeder.
S_N
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BTW, was the foal by a SHBGB stallion? I suppose if it wasn't they might have felt a bit insecure about commenting any further, but that's really not much help to you as a breeder.
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Yes! By Kings Composer - he won his grading (albeit on his second attempt - where he even achieved a higher mark for his head - how that changes is beyond me!) That foal, now 2yo, as a yearling was a county show winner, won another BEF First Premium and was top eventing yearling at his venue and was 3rd in the country. So a decent animal if I say so myself!
BTW, was the foal by a SHBGB stallion? I suppose if it wasn't they might have felt a bit insecure about commenting any further, but that's really not much help to you as a breeder.
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Yes! By Kings Composer - he won his grading (albeit on his second attempt - where he even achieved a higher mark for his head - how that changes is beyond me!) That foal, now 2yo, as a yearling was a county show winner, won another BEF First Premium and was top eventing yearling at his venue and was 3rd in the country. So a decent animal if I say so myself!
Fahrenheit
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Yes there is a section with scoring for the mares competition records, although the majority of the marks are conformation and movement!
When my mares went forward for grading the SHB told me that I had cracking foals and the stallions had improved the mares... I was happy for my stallion but I was a little worried they didn't like the mares but can't complain as they all past and went into their expected categories. The only one that didn't show herself well and I thought could have done better was a heavily pregnant one, she waddled and wasn't able to show off her movement...but their was nothing that could be done about that, the grading was pre arranged to have them all done that day at mine and she was late!!!!
When my mares went forward for grading the SHB told me that I had cracking foals and the stallions had improved the mares... I was happy for my stallion but I was a little worried they didn't like the mares but can't complain as they all past and went into their expected categories. The only one that didn't show herself well and I thought could have done better was a heavily pregnant one, she waddled and wasn't able to show off her movement...but their was nothing that could be done about that, the grading was pre arranged to have them all done that day at mine and she was late!!!!
Baggybreeches
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I was told that and it's not true! My mare had a cracking foal at foot that had already been awarded a BEF First Premium Diploma, when she was presented for SHB Grading and they did not consider that enough to warrent giving her a mark under her progeny above 0!!!! With the comment - 'done foal well'!!!
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Oh bugger! I was kind of hoping that would help with mum's mare
I was told that and it's not true! My mare had a cracking foal at foot that had already been awarded a BEF First Premium Diploma, when she was presented for SHB Grading and they did not consider that enough to warrent giving her a mark under her progeny above 0!!!! With the comment - 'done foal well'!!!
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Oh bugger! I was kind of hoping that would help with mum's mare
Fahrenheit
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The mares are marked on the following:
Front, Shoulder and Withers: out of ten
breakdown comments for Head - Neck - Withers & Slope of Shoulder - Depth/Width/Rib Cage/Chest
Top Line and Quarters: out of ten
breakdown comments for Top Line & Back - Quarters - Thigh
Fore Legs: out of ten
breakdown comments for Bone - Alignment - Joints - Pasterns - Hooves
Hind Legs: out of ten
breakdown comments for Alignment - Joints/Hocks - Pasterns - Hooves
Correctness of Movement: out of ten
breakdown comments for Correctness from Front in Walk & Trot - Correctness from Behind in Walk & Trot.
Carriage and Elasticity: out of ten (preferably done loose but can be just inhand walk and trot)
breakdown comments for Walk - Trot - Canter - Powere & Flexion of Hocks - Freedom of Elbow
Performance/Progeny Performance: out of ten
This is based on affiliated results of the mare and/or any of her progeny.
General Impression: out of ten
breakdown comments for Substance - Presence - Scope - Quality - Other Comments
Front, Shoulder and Withers: out of ten
breakdown comments for Head - Neck - Withers & Slope of Shoulder - Depth/Width/Rib Cage/Chest
Top Line and Quarters: out of ten
breakdown comments for Top Line & Back - Quarters - Thigh
Fore Legs: out of ten
breakdown comments for Bone - Alignment - Joints - Pasterns - Hooves
Hind Legs: out of ten
breakdown comments for Alignment - Joints/Hocks - Pasterns - Hooves
Correctness of Movement: out of ten
breakdown comments for Correctness from Front in Walk & Trot - Correctness from Behind in Walk & Trot.
Carriage and Elasticity: out of ten (preferably done loose but can be just inhand walk and trot)
breakdown comments for Walk - Trot - Canter - Powere & Flexion of Hocks - Freedom of Elbow
Performance/Progeny Performance: out of ten
This is based on affiliated results of the mare and/or any of her progeny.
General Impression: out of ten
breakdown comments for Substance - Presence - Scope - Quality - Other Comments
Gemima
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Just out of interest I have a SHB registered mare by Louella Inschello out of a TB mare, she is in foal to an AES stallion due in May. She has scars on her hind legs and has never really competed to her full potential. Will be affiliating her BSJA once the foal is weaned.
She is a nice mare, only real fault is slightly straight in the hock.
Would there be any point in trying to get her graded?
She is a nice mare, only real fault is slightly straight in the hock.
Would there be any point in trying to get her graded?
Ciss
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Just out of interest I have a SHB registered mare by Louella Inschello out of a TB mare, she is in foal to an AES stallion due in May. She has scars on her hind legs and has never really competed to her full potential. Will be affiliating her BSJA once the foal is weaned.
She is a nice mare, only real fault is slightly straight in the hock.
Would there be any point in trying to get her graded?
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Depends upon whther the scars are traumtic in origin (due to a genuine accident rather than any surgery necessary to correct unsoundness problems due to a conformation fault) or not, and also if you have a vet;s report to support this. It;s not (or at least should not be) a beauty parade so blemishes due to genuine accidents should not affect her marks. Also, slightly straight hocks are generally regarded as a lesser conformational weakness than those with too much angle (sickle) anyway so that might not be too much of a problem if she moves straight and correct all round. The SHBGB judges tend to be very against animals that are back at the knee or have offset cannons as well so you need to bear that in mind too.
Just out of interest I have a SHB registered mare by Louella Inschello out of a TB mare, she is in foal to an AES stallion due in May. She has scars on her hind legs and has never really competed to her full potential. Will be affiliating her BSJA once the foal is weaned.
She is a nice mare, only real fault is slightly straight in the hock.
Would there be any point in trying to get her graded?
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Depends upon whther the scars are traumtic in origin (due to a genuine accident rather than any surgery necessary to correct unsoundness problems due to a conformation fault) or not, and also if you have a vet;s report to support this. It;s not (or at least should not be) a beauty parade so blemishes due to genuine accidents should not affect her marks. Also, slightly straight hocks are generally regarded as a lesser conformational weakness than those with too much angle (sickle) anyway so that might not be too much of a problem if she moves straight and correct all round. The SHBGB judges tend to be very against animals that are back at the knee or have offset cannons as well so you need to bear that in mind too.