Cahill
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some one mentioned to me that you can use sheep wormer for horses,saying that the ingrediants are the same but the benefit is that is is much cheaper.
any thoughts please?
any thoughts please?
sheep wormer for horses???????
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dominobrown
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I wouldn't.
I thought why you had sheep grazing on horse's land is partly because sheep eat everything, and that sheep and horse worms have different cycles so if a sheep eats a horse worm the horse worm can't survive in the foreign environment, thefore a sheep wormer would have no effect on sheep worms.
Also how would you be sure of concentrations of chemicals (which may be different) and giving the correct quantities??
I do regualr worm counts, so often my horses don't need wormed, and I worm for tapeworm (which doesn't show on worm counts) in April and October.
I thought why you had sheep grazing on horse's land is partly because sheep eat everything, and that sheep and horse worms have different cycles so if a sheep eats a horse worm the horse worm can't survive in the foreign environment, thefore a sheep wormer would have no effect on sheep worms.
Also how would you be sure of concentrations of chemicals (which may be different) and giving the correct quantities??
I do regualr worm counts, so often my horses don't need wormed, and I worm for tapeworm (which doesn't show on worm counts) in April and October.
ISHmad
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I think there are enough problems already with wormers and resistance. Not something I'd be keen to do personally. What chemical group does the sheep wormer belong to for starters? And how do you know how much to give and that something else in it wouldn't be fine for sheep and not horses.
I'm sticking just as I am on something as important as this.
I'm sticking just as I am on something as important as this.
cptrayes
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Oramec is ivermectin just like Eqvalan. It can be fed to horses, they eat it well, it has the same effect and it is one third of the price. My vet uses it for his horses and I have had horses on it worm egg count tested. You can also use injectable cattle moxidectin to rotate with. The doses are per kilo, listed on the product and are the same for horse weight as for sheep and cows. Or you can buy your wormers from Australia where they cost 1/3 of what they do here INCLUDING the air freight.
Horse wormers in this country are a total ripoff.
ps you can use cattle Panacur too but there are big resistance problems to that drug in this country do I wouldn't unless you are going for the 5 day double dose "Equine Guard" regime.
Horse wormers in this country are a total ripoff.
ps you can use cattle Panacur too but there are big resistance problems to that drug in this country do I wouldn't unless you are going for the 5 day double dose "Equine Guard" regime.
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Leaf
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well you live & learn i have loads of oramec! thankyou
jinglejoys
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I've got goats and officially there isn't a wormer for them anymore!
cptrayes
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The only problem with Oramec will be if your horses don't like the taste. I've had a couple eat it slowly, but never had one refuse totally. The oil it's in is quite scented as you'll know and most of them seem to quite like it. A big horse - 600kg - needs 150 ml so you can't just use a syringe!
cptrayes
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Has anyone got a current site for buying Razor horse wormer from Oz with shipping to UK? I have found one at aus $22 per double dose (£6.50 per dose for what sells as Eqvalan duo in this country at £15 and more) but I got it a lot cheaper than that last time and I've lost the website url.
Ta!
Ta!
Vetwrap
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Leaf
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Cuppatea
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is it just as a wormer you are after or for a boost for the horse? There are sheep wormers that can 'do' different things for horses.....!
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Donkeymad
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Remember, it is ILLEGAL to import wormers.
cptrayes
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how ridiculous. Why on earth should it be illegal to import a product sold in saddlery shops!
corrie153
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I have used sheep wormer in the past, its much cheaper. Its the same with the molasses licks. I bought a cattle and sheep one for my boy last week, 22kg one for £16 where as u can buy a 5kg horse one for £11 but its the exact same product.
I bought my horse clippers off a cattle/ agri web site and saved £80 because it didnt have 'HORSE' in the title
I bought my horse clippers off a cattle/ agri web site and saved £80 because it didnt have 'HORSE' in the title
thatsmygirl
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I have used sheep wormer in the past, its much cheaper. Its the same with the molasses licks. I bought a cattle and sheep one for my boy last week, 22kg one for £16 where as u can buy a 5kg horse one for £11 but its the exact same product.
I bought my horse clippers off a cattle/ agri web site and saved £80 because it didnt have 'HORSE' in the title
R.E the licks, I think it would be worth checking vit/min levels cause I know the cattle,sheep,horse licks have different levels going by their daily intake. So it would worry me that you may at the worst over dose on certain things? May be worth checking.
R.E the wormers I wouldn't use any wormer which isn't licenced to use on horses.
Maesfen
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I seem to remember last year that the Equest wormers I had by post were all in Spanish so if we can't import why are we allowed to export? Should work both ways.
corrie153
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Yes I checked it all out. you do have to be carfull which lick you get as some have, like you say, different vit/min levels but the standard lick which I got is EXACTLY the same. The Agri shop even phoned the manufacturer to check.
I got the lick as a treat for the long winter nights but the special mobility licks etc - you can only buy them for horses
Cuppatea
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I have used sheep wormer in the past, its much cheaper. Its the same with the molasses licks. I bought a cattle and sheep one for my boy last week, 22kg one for £16 where as u can buy a 5kg horse one for £11 but its the exact same product.
I bought my horse clippers off a cattle/ agri web site and saved £80 because it didnt have 'HORSE' in the title
sheep products will have NO copper in them for a start. Hence why you must never feed horses licks out in fields with sheep as the copper is so bad for the sheeep.
corrie153
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yes thats part of the reason why I had to get the standard cattle/sheep lick as we have a farm and dont want to go round making my farmer more grumpy by making the sheep ill.
brighteyes
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Cuppatea
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must be the time of year for grumpy farmers then!
cptrayes
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ORAMEC
Dose rate per kg is listed on the bottle. You can buy it in litres and 5 litres. As far as I remember it is 2.5ml per 10kg bodyweight, so a 600kg horse needs 150ml. but do check the bottle when you buy it!
Dose rate per kg is listed on the bottle. You can buy it in litres and 5 litres. As far as I remember it is 2.5ml per 10kg bodyweight, so a 600kg horse needs 150ml. but do check the bottle when you buy it!
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devilwoman
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Ive had wormers from here, many times, much cheaper and very quick delivery ;=
http://www.pets-megastore.com.au/
http://www.pets-megastore.com.au/
Bryndu
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Hi, The clue is in the title - sheep wormer! Mind you.. you might get a nice jumper!!!!!!!
Bryndu
brighteyes
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That's crazy! My maths tells me that even if the cost per litre is £23 incl p&p, a 400kg pony will cost £2.30 to worm.
If I add up all my horses, 1950kg x 2.5/10 x 23/1000 - comes to less than £12 to worm them? And I'd have enough to do my two sheep as well!
I'm going to get a test sample of the next door farmer to see if they'll eat it and the job's a good 'un.
Nettle123
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I have wondered about using the panacur for sheep for my horses as we have enough panacur to work 100 sheep and only have 8, lol. Will ask the Vet next time she is here.
JanetGeorge
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1, It IS a medicine - and there are (supposed to be) controls on who sells them.
2, You're cheating the Government out of VAT.
I have done it - and got away with it - but I don't bother now because with current exchange rates, the saving isn't sufficient to risk a BIG fine - as well as HAVING to pay the VAT - or losing the product altogether.
And I buy a LOT of wormers!
You certainly CAN use sheep wormers for horses - but the volume required - of a much thinner consistency product - means that even if you have a proper drenching gun the BEST that will happen is you'll end up wearing a lot. The worst is you'll under-dose!
thatsmygirl
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You may be paying for the same ingredent but has lower levels than horse wormers.
thatsmygirl
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Looking at the back off a ivermec container the levels off ivermectin are very low ( ment for sheep) the horse wormer has a far far higher amount off ivermectin ( ment for horses, a far bigger animal) so working out the weights on the back which people are saying will be 150ml which works out for about a 600 kg horse will not give you anough off the active drug, which is in horse wormers. So by under worming you are risking not worming properly and/or building up resistance to the active ( ivermectin) yes same drugs but totally different strengths.