ShowJumperBeckii
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thanks but you see i didt suggeted it my intrustor did so she must think its ok as shes had ovee 40years with horse?
Shes getting Even BETTER [pelham]
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brighteyes
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La la la, she's not listening - to anyone except her instustor.
La la la, she's not listening - to anyone except her instustor.
TinselRider
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O.k
Firstly I would find a nice french link loose ring snaffle if you can as it will be quite hard for a horse to hold this bit
at one end of the arena set up a "box" of poles, as you are riding round ride lots of downward transitions by REALLY sitting into your saddle and using your voice using as little rein as you can (obv use it to start with but become gentler each time) ,enter the box every now and then go into the box and make your horse stand again using your seat and voice only using the rein when neccecary.
When your horse is listening to your seat and voice you can set up a small jump about 6 strides away from the box. Trot over the fence and as soon as you land really sit down and ask the horse to slow as your aim is to STOP in the box As you perfect this move the box closer to 4 strides then REMOVE the box and try stopping. Trust me this is do able and the horse will soon learn to anticipate what YOU want and slow down after a fence
Also once you have perfected the above technique you can go over a fence, and again 6 strides after a fence, stop but then turn on the forehand then head back to the fence and stop the other side.
You can also jump over a fence then practice asking for circles a few strides after it then carrying on once you have a nice balanced canter.
Any excercise like these will help to get your horse thinking and listening to YOU, just remember to sit deep, sit back and use your voice, be as soft with your hand as you can
It IS doable without harder bits as I have managed to school B out of a grackle and he now jumps and XCs in a french link snaffle.
I hope these excercises will help you and if you need any more advice etc don't be frightened to ask
Firstly I would find a nice french link loose ring snaffle if you can as it will be quite hard for a horse to hold this bit
at one end of the arena set up a "box" of poles, as you are riding round ride lots of downward transitions by REALLY sitting into your saddle and using your voice using as little rein as you can (obv use it to start with but become gentler each time) ,enter the box every now and then go into the box and make your horse stand again using your seat and voice only using the rein when neccecary. When your horse is listening to your seat and voice you can set up a small jump about 6 strides away from the box. Trot over the fence and as soon as you land really sit down and ask the horse to slow as your aim is to STOP in the box
As you perfect this move the box closer to 4 strides then REMOVE the box and try stopping. Trust me this is do able and the horse will soon learn to anticipate what YOU want and slow down after a fence Also once you have perfected the above technique you can go over a fence, and again 6 strides after a fence, stop but then turn on the forehand then head back to the fence and stop the other side.
You can also jump over a fence then practice asking for circles a few strides after it then carrying on once you have a nice balanced canter.
Any excercise like these will help to get your horse thinking and listening to YOU, just remember to sit deep, sit back and use your voice, be as soft with your hand as you can
It IS doable without harder bits as I have managed to school B out of a grackle and he now jumps and XCs in a french link snaffle.
I hope these excercises will help you and if you need any more advice etc don't be frightened to ask
[69117]
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I think we ALL need lessons with this instructor if she can solve all the problems this pairing were having just by plonking a pelham in the mares mouth!
Oh well... I've written my essay for the day, now I'm off to eat lemon roulade IN A SNAFFLE.
ShowJumperBeckii
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but its quite hard as i cant hold her back :S coz she just goes and shes much stronger than me and wont listen?
brighteyes
Pooh-Bah
oh dear oh dear oh dear :/ is this site just made out of arguments now
Nope - many knowledgeable, successful peeps and a few know-it-all-know-nowts, who won't listen to good advice. Not a shred of humility in this one, either.
galaxy
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How about on the flat, in a snaffle, no training aids? How does she go then? Or with just poles on the floor? Does she listen?
blitznbobs
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WHo ever said this riding lark was easy????? Do you think that maybe you're over horsed????
Blitz
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*hic*
village idiot :D
naa old clips reused to make videos? as i have no new ones
i havent recorded in aggessss
But in this thread you put a link to a video and you say it was in May - that's last month.
ShowJumperBeckii
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shes not so bad but she sees a fence and is like wahhhh jumps 
FestiveBoomBoom
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This is all seeming very troll like now, the OP could have just found some clips on youtube and passed them off as theirs! Seriously OP is this for real!?
ShowJumperBeckii
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yes thats because i have re used the clips to make my new videos as i have no clips as i havent been jumping much as iv been having lessons instead coz i took ALL you advice to have lessons?
TinselRider
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I know it's hard as I HAVE been in the same situation as you, but I promise the more you practice getting her to listen to your seat and voice the easier it will be it's not going to happen straight away but it WILL eventually I am SURE if you put the effort in now you will have a FANTASTIC time bsja in the future
Practice basic transitions now, lots of gentle half halts and a deep seat, but teach her that you sitting deep means sloooooow down also try and set one "trigger" word such as steady or woo as this will be another thing associated with slowing down and it will be another piece of kit in your toolbox
It can be done and look how proud you can be when you can come on here and post pictures and videos of you riding her in a snaffle and she is LISTENING to you
it's not going to happen straight away but it WILL eventually I am SURE if you put the effort in now you will have a FANTASTIC time bsja in the future Practice basic transitions now, lots of gentle half halts and a deep seat, but teach her that you sitting deep means sloooooow down
also try and set one "trigger" word such as steady or woo as this will be another thing associated with slowing down and it will be another piece of kit in your toolbox It can be done and look how proud you can be when you can come on here and post pictures and videos of you riding her in a snaffle and she is LISTENING to you
Thelwell_Girl
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Then you need to go back to basics, maybe a bit of groundwork, and make sure you have each others respect before you go giving her unnecessary 'gadgets' that will ultimately ruin her.
No offence, but just because someone has 40 years or whatever of experience, doesn't mean every word that comes out of their mouth is right!
[69117]
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Ok Brighteyes, I lied.. I have a bit more essay to add....
OP: are you aware that ALL HORSES are stronger than ALL PEOPLE?! Did you know that your mare has morse muscles from ears to withers than you have in your whole body? No? Right, well, why do you think BD rules FORBID the use of anything other than a snaffle at the lower levels?? BECAUSE PELHAMS REQUIRE INCREDIBLY GOOD HANDS AND LOTS OF EXPERIENCE.
That's why.
Put your mare back in a snaffle, and if you'd like to know how I managed to get Zebedee to stop rushing his fences (before he was RUINED by the use of a harsh bit) PM me and I'll happily tell you, and send you videos of his improvements.
I'm not claiming to be a superstar, and I'm sure nobody else who has replied to you is either, but we do know what we're talking about and can see a bad thing happening that could be easily prevented.
Have you not twigged that everyone is saying exactly the same thing?!?!?!
OP: are you aware that ALL HORSES are stronger than ALL PEOPLE?! Did you know that your mare has morse muscles from ears to withers than you have in your whole body? No? Right, well, why do you think BD rules FORBID the use of anything other than a snaffle at the lower levels?? BECAUSE PELHAMS REQUIRE INCREDIBLY GOOD HANDS AND LOTS OF EXPERIENCE.
That's why.
Put your mare back in a snaffle, and if you'd like to know how I managed to get Zebedee to stop rushing his fences (before he was RUINED by the use of a harsh bit) PM me and I'll happily tell you, and send you videos of his improvements.
I'm not claiming to be a superstar, and I'm sure nobody else who has replied to you is either, but we do know what we're talking about and can see a bad thing happening that could be easily prevented.
Have you not twigged that everyone is saying exactly the same thing?!?!?!
*hic*
village idiot :D
No you quite clearly state that the show was in MAY.
Sparkles
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Then you need to learn to ride her and address the problem, not trying to mask it with bits and pieces.
Why ask for advice here, if you think your instructor is such a godworship in the first place? ALL the advice was go back to a normal bit, re-school her and do not jump big. So far,she's not in a pelham [going overbent], still jumping and now thinking of doing XC??
I fear your instructor cannot get through to you anyway, if you're as ignorant to adivce on here as much as you are to her. Remember even the British Olympic Team members still receieve training to be at the top their game,
I'm not one to step my oar in and have kept schtum just offering small bits of advice where asked...but feltthat needed to be said.
You'll soon fall short of replies and sound advice you've been given on here from the start, if your attitude and receptiveness to more knowledgable advice offered to you isn't altered.
Most on here, and I definately for one, are always happy to help when asked or needed....providing the actions are carried out true and steps towards getting there are made.
Why ask for advice here, if you think your instructor is such a godworship in the first place? ALL the advice was go back to a normal bit, re-school her and do not jump big. So far,she's not in a pelham [going overbent], still jumping and now thinking of doing XC??
I fear your instructor cannot get through to you anyway, if you're as ignorant to adivce on here as much as you are to her. Remember even the British Olympic Team members still receieve training to be at the top their game,
I'm not one to step my oar in and have kept schtum just offering small bits of advice where asked...but feltthat needed to be said.
You'll soon fall short of replies and sound advice you've been given on here from the start, if your attitude and receptiveness to more knowledgable advice offered to you isn't altered.
Most on here, and I definately for one, are always happy to help when asked or needed....providing the actions are carried out true and steps towards getting there are made.
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galaxy
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shes not so bad but she sees a fence and is like wahhhh jumps
Well I'd continue with that until she's perfect and not just "not so bad" and then just raise the poles off the floor and build it up. As soon as she goes out of control take a step back. I wouldn't be riding her around a course at all. It would be exercises exercises exercises.
sprytzer
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Im sorry but why didnt you buy something that you could ride rather than something you have to bit up to the eyeballs?
I really cant understand people who buy something flashy and have to use all the gadgets just to ride it !
I really cant understand people who buy something flashy and have to use all the gadgets just to ride it !
brighteyes
Pooh-Bah
WELL STOP BLOODY JUMPING AND GET HER LISTENING, SUPPLE AND OBEDIENT ON THE FLAT
You will NEVER, EVER 'win' in a battle of who is stronger, with a horse. They simply run away, faster and faster when they don't like what's happening. Oh! Wait a minute - that's exactly what's happening!
You really don't get it, do you?
(Give me strength)
FaldingwoodLivery
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yes
Sorry, haven't finished Reading this whole post but just had to point out that if your problem is your horse rushing into fences these exercises aren't really going to help, showjymping isn't all about speed, tight turns and fast thinking, it's all about maintaining a nice steady regular rhythm. And the Excercises your instructor has given you are not going to acheive that. This and the fact that your instructor had reccomended a pelham to a young (and to be honest) quite inexperienced by the sounds of it rider, makes me think you need a decent instructor!
*hic*
village idiot :D
WELL STOP BLOODY JUMPING AND GET HER LISTENING, SUPPLE AND OBEDIENT ON THE FLAT
You will NEVER, EVER 'win' in a battle of who is stronger, with a horse. They simply run away, faster and faster when they don't like what's happening. Oh! Wait a minute - that's exactly what's happening!
You really don't get it, do you?
(Give me strength)
*passes brighteyes a soothing cold flannel for her forehead*
ester
Not slacking multitasking
brighteyes.................... step away from the computer.
from the vids I don't actually think she looks that strong, she is welshxtb right? that would be the welshness, sometimes it is false strength... drop the reins and there is nothing behind it.
did you see my q re spavin?
from the vids I don't actually think she looks that strong, she is welshxtb right? that would be the welshness, sometimes it is false strength... drop the reins and there is nothing behind it.
did you see my q re spavin?
ShowJumperBeckii
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ok ill try but iv tryed being all soft on her and she does what she wants instead
and she dont have a spavin??
and she dont have a spavin??
_April_
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Mrs B
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I have to say having watched posts from this OP and the reactions he/she gets that I am with FBB on this one.
I very much doubt the poster is who they say they are. That kind of wilful yet consistently bad spelling, the (lack of) grammar, the ability to 'push' buttons, the variations in story and the over-riding fingers-in-ears-mentality make me think that this person is not at all what they seem and is having a wonderful time winding people up.
Just my sneaking suspicion...
caitlin95uk
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guys guys guys, i maybe only 14, but i know that this is becoming pathetic now :/ its her horse. she can do what she likes, each and everyone of us here has our own opnions, yes advice her on what to do but you cant control her, would you listen to a bunch of people on a website you have never met, or the instructor youo have relied on?
just leave her be..
she wants to ride in a pelham, let her ride in a pelham, she has been advised to..
i mean really? would you take advice from people who have never met you or your horse? and then to make matters worse, they criticise your riding.. please stop now...
just leave her be..
she wants to ride in a pelham, let her ride in a pelham, she has been advised to..
i mean really? would you take advice from people who have never met you or your horse? and then to make matters worse, they criticise your riding.. please stop now...
TinselRider
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The trick is to learn when to be firmer when it is needed and softer when you can, keep ker thinking, lots and lots and lots of transitions almost at every letter, changes of rein etc.
Give it a go for a week and see how you get on, if you would like any more help / advice feel free to contact me on here and I'll be happy to help
Give it a go for a week and see how you get on, if you would like any more help / advice feel free to contact me on here and I'll be happy to help
brighteyes
Pooh-Bah
Thank you ladies, I am breathing slowly in and out, and thinking nice thoughts of flowers and fluffy things.
galaxy
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guys guys guys, i maybe only 14, but i know that this is becoming pathetic now :/ its her horse. she can do what she likes, each and everyone of us here has our own opnions, yes advice her on what to do but you cant control her, would you listen to a bunch of people on a website you have never met, or the instructor youo have relied on?
just leave her be..
she wants to ride in a pelham, let her ride in a pelham, she has been advised to..
i mean really? would you take advice from people who have never met you or your horse? and then to make matters worse, they criticise your riding.. please stop now...
If I got a reaction like this I would actually be questioning myself and my instructor in what we were trying to achieve and consider getting a 2nd opinion from a different one as to what I was doing.