Shes getting Even BETTER [pelham]

ah thats ok, I think I misread the comment on youtube, you say 'not bad for a horse with arthiritis'

just that I prob wouldnt be jumping something with arthritis 3 times in a week but maybe thats just me.

brighteyes pink things, dont forget the pink things :D
 
galaxy23 said:
If I got a reaction like this I would actually be questioning myself and my instructor in what we were trying to achieve and consider getting a 2nd opinion from a different one as to what I was doing.
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maybe thats what shes doing? maybe she is considering changing her instructor? but you never kknow cos you have never met her?
 
BSJAShowjumper123 said:
ok ill try but iv tryed being all soft on her and she does what she wants instead :(
and she dont have a spavin??
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Just a quick question for OP? Can you tell me what a spavin is (preferable without using a search engine) cos I have a sneaky suspicion that you don't actually know.

To be perfectly frank I think you're of an age (as a guess 13-15) where you're trying to impress people, by saying you jump BSJA, have a "problem" horse, ride in a pelham etc etc. But these things are NOT going to impress anyone on this forum. And I wouldn't be suprised if they were lies anyway
 
caitlin95uk said:
maybe thats what shes doing? maybe she is considering changing her instructor? but you never kknow cos you have never met her?
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I think she'd say...

Also some of us have been very patient and only tried to give her useful hints and tips! Yes some people have got frustrated but I can empathise.
 
Sorry caitlin95uk, she asked for the advice. So yes, I would presume from that, that she would trust the advice she got. If not, why ask?
 
BSJAShowjumper123 said:
jumped today not a lesson :) teacher was busy but she was pretty good :) i think a bit annoyed as it was hot andd she jumped the day before [but that never happenss to she be ok for one day lol] but she jumped nothing big just getting used to the pelham before we go back to 120s lol
BUT now im getting an OUTLINEE with NO bungiee :D :D :D slowly shes tucking her nose further in and in :)

even moreee Proud mummy :D
YAY YAY YAY :D
just suffing from thee anxiety mega tired but she keeps me going :)

And My 3rd BSJA Saturdaay
good timess :D
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where in this paragraph does it say, help me please i need advice on a pelham, shall i use it or not?
 
but you jumped her yesterday.... and today... and taking her BSJA saturday.

my opinion is from the various vids that I actually think you are very lucky to have such and honest horse that will jump all that for you and I really hope you appreciate her and look after her.
 
caitlin95uk said:
where in this paragraph does it say, help me please i need advice on a pelham, shall i use it or not?
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where does it say on forum rules "no one may express concern, or offer advise" would it be better is everyone just said well done keep up the amazing work!
 
or exactly even


eta and as always noone else has any control over what others post on this open forum, as I said earlier today such is forum life ;) :)
 
Either your instructors are rubbish, or you are not listening to the important bits they say, or you are relaying it falsely on here.

In regards to the jumping problem:
-Get the pelham out of her mouth. She is probably coming 'into an outline' to avoid to excess pressure on her sensitive mouth.
-no jumping until you can have a half hour schooling session in all paces with her listening and relaxed. Include lots of transitions, within the pace (eg collected trot to working trot and back again) as well as between paces
-once you can do this, get out the trotting poles
-once she can trot over a line of poles and remain calm and relaxed, put some wings or blocks up but keep the poles on the ground
-once she can go through the wings/blocks and remain relaxed then put a pole up on one side on 1st hole
-Continue one hole at a time, and if she gets strong at any point, go back a step.
-This should take a few weeks at least to build up a step or 2 at a time. But it will be worth it in the end when you have a horse who trusts you, is confident, comfortable and well schooled. Jump offs will be easy, you will be able to shorten or lengthen her stride easily and quickly to make the distances, and she will stay level headed and focussed on you, waiting for your next instruction. Rather than running around like a headless chicken pulling your arms out or hurting her mouth.

Does that not sound nice? You have years and years of time to jump, so what's a few weeks if it will make the next however many years so much easier and nicer?
 
Well said Caitlin!
I've been following with interest all the post's and replys from this op.
I understand for those of you who have been kind enough to take the time to try and help must be very frustrated and rightly so, but can I suggest you don't actually bother reading anymore of the op's post's. Life is too short to stress yourselves over someone you have no control over.
To the op. I think your just a very enthusiastic young lady and really do hope that you work with your instructor and some of the great advice you have had from all your posts as everything that has been said has been to help you and your lovely mare create a better partnership.
Chill out peeps. It's summer! Enjoy your g-g's! :p
 
boogles said:
Practice basic transitions now, lots of gentle half halts and a deep seat, but teach her that you sitting deep means sloooooow down :) also try and set one "trigger" word such as steady or woo as this will be another thing associated with slowing down and it will be another piece of kit in your toolbox :)


My instructor said the exact same thing RE the trigger word. I use it all the time now - lunging, flat, hacking etc.

my goal is a snaffle for all SJing - currently use a plain eggbut indoors but need a wilkie snaffle outdoors as it's a little bit stronger.

My little mare loves to SJ at speed - not uncontrollably and easily brought back inbetween fences and I can stop instantly after a fence but on a long related distance we build up speed - so any tips for that would be great!

currently use grids, placing poles before and after, halting inbetween doubles, circling away, dog legs etc.


bending is also an issue but I do work hard on that when schooling and use the corners when jumping! LOL


I don't often get the chance to have anyone video me but here's one from about a year ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-tINDp1jYw

and part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPX6xBmVB4Y&feature=related




PS - sorry OP for quick hi-jack but thought I'd take advantage of the knowledge on this thread xxxxx
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look, things like this put me off here. i have friends who would love to ask questions but are scared to ask as people like this just argue :/ im appalled that you could judge a person the way you just did? i have never met this girl so i cant say wether she looks after her horse or whether she is like that and to you maybe a pelham isnt the answer!? but for some others a whip isnt tthe answer :/ tbh your just ganging up on a 15 year old girl who just wanted to share something she was happy about.. and yes you can share your opinions but not in a rude way!? if shes in a pelham she is in a pelham :/ nothing you can do about it :P
 
If my instructor was that foolish, I'd rely on the advice of the forumers. Fortunately, I have a very good instructor who knows what she's doing, despite not having 40 years experience with horses. If I were the OP I'd change my instructor.
 
caitlin95uk said:
where in this paragraph does it say, help me please i need advice on a pelham, shall i use it or not?
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She HAS asked for advice on using a pelham in a previous post and was given lots and lots of advice by lots and lots of very experienced people....and she has ignored every single bit of it...

She is potentially harming her horse using the pelham as she does not have the right pair of hands to handle a pelham...she simply is not an experienced enough rider to be jumping bsja in a bit such as this....and this has been proved with the video's she has posted as well as the statement in this thread about her horse working in an ouline as she has "her nose further and further in". This is all made even worse now we've found out she has arthritis and is being jumped up to 1m20 up to 3 times a week.....BADLY....

I'm sorry if you don't like it, but that is just plain WRONG and there are not many people on here who will stand wordlessly by and watch this happen without expressing views.....I'm amazed you cannot see this...however, saying that at 14 year of age, maybe you aren't experienced enough either...(and thats not meant to be patronising...its just a possible explanation).
 
caitlin95uk

Read the title of this thread. We beg to differ about 'BETTER' based on previous posts and videos, the admission that the horse is too strong, (so she has bitted it up) and her obviously tenuous grasp of 'going correctly' as any horse behind the vertical simply isn't!

Listen, you stick your head above the parapet on here when horse welfare is at stake, it's going to get fired at!

If you take JadeyyandLadyy's example, she got similar gasps of horror and concerns voiced quite strenuously, when she posted pictures of her sitting on a seriously underweight horse. What did she do? She took note, went away and came back with evidence she had taken all the advice on board - and pictures of a much improved horse.

Not like what's happened here.
 
Already in use....so poor choice of question Caitlin.

Questions on bitting, schooling and advice have all been asked on previous posts...it's just rolling topic which is the same on each post.

Strong mare.Brakes needed.Wants to jump and jump bigger.Regardless.

Broken record.


Carry on jumping her, which I'm sure you will. Just do not expect a sympathy flood of replies when the mare's crashed through a 1.20+ jump, put you on your head and both are right back to basics and the mare worse than before - which is what has been said to do from the start.
Harsh maybe. But I'm done posting advice...not forcing words down someone's neck if they don't want them or want to take them on board. Done my bit and that's that now. I won't feel guilty if the above happens from thinking 'Oh, someone really should have warned her about that'.
 
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boogles said:
_April_ have you tried REALLY shortening your strides between long related distances? just try and get as many strides in as you can, this usually tends to get the horses waiting for you to "give them a stride" :)
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I've done this with poles on the ground but never with actual fences - but that's something to try. thanks! :D
 
Jumping is just dressage with obstacles !
Take out the pelham, put her in a snaffle and work on your flatwork. Even if you despise flatwork im afraid it has to be done, especially if you want to jump, its a necessary evil. After all, how can you expect to get around a course of jumps nicely if your horse can't even walk/trot/canter nicely?

Good luck.
 
I have just watched your videos and in my opion your little horse dont look as half as strong as your making her out to be. You say that SHE is rushing into the fences but I think its YOU that rushes them. You need to ride with your seat more underneath you as at the moment you are very much in front of the movement.
Also in one of your videos someone left a comment asking you why you turned so sharply into a jump and your reply was 'Because I had no control'. If thats so why were you kicking the whole way into the jump????!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Please take the pelham out of your mares mouth and get some proper lessons as you little horse must be a saint to put up with all the kicking and pulling, there are plently others which would have told you to sling your hook by now :(
 
iv not replied to any of bsjashowjumpers threads before but iv noticed that most of her threads have been ones that have sparked off lots of replies, almost like thats what she wants. there has been upto 100 replies per thread. might just be me that thinks that so wel see.
 
yes previous posts.. not this one :L if you have anything to say about preivious posts, write it on the previous post? simple?
but no seriously i have never had such a long argument over someone i have never met, even with a bunch of 14 year olds?
 
Hey, I have posted a little on BSJAshowjumper123's post. I have seen the vids. I shall offer MY opinion seeing as it is an open forum. MY point of view (if you choose to accept it or not) is:

+ points

very honest mare who is obviouslty keen, and clearly knows her job. With the right schooling and time, you will have alot of fun.

- ve points

i do think that in the long run, your BSJA time (which you clearly enjoy) will be of better quality, you will get better results and enjoyment if you put the time in on the flatwork now - in a snaffle. Sorry to join the snaffle brigade, but there are ALOT of very experienced people on here who will be able to help. Listen to and trust them.




Also, If you are a troll (appologies if you arent, we have all been naieve and young once) ... surely you have better things to do with your time???
 
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