Shes getting Even BETTER [pelham]

miss_buffay said:
iv not replied to any of bsjashowjumpers threads before but iv noticed that most of her threads have been ones that have sparked off lots of replies, almost like thats what she wants. there has been upto 100 replies per thread. might just be me that thinks that so wel see.
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:D May I point the Honourable Miss Buffay to my observations on page 6 of this thread? :rolleyes:
 
caitlin95uk said:
yes previous posts.. not this one :L if you have anything to say about preivious posts, write it on the previous post? simple?
but no seriously i have never had such a long argument over someone i have never met, even with a bunch of 14 year olds?
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But the same holds true for the OP - she could have added to any of her previous bitting thread "Well I'm using a pelham again so there" but she chose to start a new thread.



Apart from that it's obvious from the videos that this is not the first time the pelham has been in use - but previously with roundings and I have to say becki I really really hope she's being ridden a bit better with it in with the two reins than she was with the roundings because she really didn't look happy in the other videos.
 
We have a mare much like yours, shes a bit headstrong she likes to take you to jumps and rush after them.
We were told she should be in a stronger bit to make her wait etc BUT we took her back to basics, did lots of pole and gridwork with a lot of flatwork getting her to use her back end and move laterally as well as forwards.
We have now taken her out of a french link snaffle and she rides in a rubber snaffle and she jumps like this........

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/picture.php?albumid=278&pictureid=2971

I think you are being offered some good advice, up to you if you take it or not. Pelham may work as a quick fix but flatwork will win out in the long run.
 
I've been reading BSJAshowjumper123's post for a while now and I'm still wondering when she's going to come out from under her bridge? Trip trap, trip trap......
 
BSJAShowjumper123 said:
well my instustor said not me
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Forget the instructor for one minute. YOUR horse is YOURS, YOU should know her better than anyone else. So after Listening to your instructor and Reading all the (excellent) advice you have been given on here. What do YOU think is the right thing to do with your mare??

Cos the quoted comment sounds like you actually are taking no resposibilty for making the descision to use the pelham and blaming it all on your instructor.
 
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wow ... that's all i can say.
i've also been reading all of your threads but not replied to any - you're being offered a lot of good advice .. why do you keep coming back with excuses and answers? why not just sit back and actually THINK about what you're being told by people who are much more experienced than you in this field?

i don't want to be horrible - but i watched some of your videos on youtube and you don't seem to be quiet with your hands .. so god help your mare if you're jumping her in a pelham! you really may damage her mouth if you jab her, i'm sure you dont want to hurt her, but in all honesty, that's the only thing that's going to happen if you carry on covering up the problems with gadgets.

if your instructor is really proposing that you use a pelham rather than really focusing on getting her listening to you, then i'd tell her to do one and find a new instructor!

i've seen SO many arguments on horse forums about things like this, and i'm only 17, but really it is ridiculous. i'm going to have to agree with the majority here and say you go right back to basics with her - you'll get nowhere in the end by masking this 'rushing' problem with a harsh bit. there are other, better ways!

please please, for your horses sake, take her out of that bit. (from what i can she) she really doesn't need it, and you say she's "bringing her nose in" .. erm, well i hate it when people only care about their horses heads being in. that doesn't mean that they are really engaging their hindquarters and working properly. it seems to me you should have a few dressage lessons before you think about even trotting over a pole again, never mind jumping.

i hope that didn't sound horrible - i phrased it as nicely as i could but i've got to be honest. if you ignore the advice given to you then it's your loss, and it's you who will end up with a problem horse you can't ride :/
 
Caitlin - No-one is 'ganging up' on OP. She can take advice if she wants to, but honestly, why post if you don't want replies?

BSJAShowjumper123 said:
but im taking ur tips i got TWO instustors atm?
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Omg! Two instructors? Thats like SO cool!!

gemin1eye said:
If my instructor was that foolish, I'd rely on the advice of the forumers. Fortunately, I have a very good instructor who knows what she's doing, despite not having 40 years experience with horses. If I were the OP I'd change my instructor.
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What she said! My instructor hasn't been alive for 40 years, yet she is very experienced and I trust her implicitly to teach me correctly while still having fun!

BSJAShowjumper123 said:
i think ur a **** ;O
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Ooh, that be fighting talk!
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Well done on using da big gwown up words
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Piedpiper said:
I've been reading BSJAshowjumper123's post for a while now and I'm still wondering when she's going to come out from under her bridge? Trip trap, trip trap......
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If she is hiding under a bridge then she is a very poor one. Surely there are better things to do? Surely there are better trolls even - where is the imagination nowadays????

And to think we have wasted how many pages telling her the same thing??? We must be crazy!

I'm off to bed so happy troll hunting without me!
 
Kate Sturgess said:
I have to say having watched posts from this OP and the reactions he/she gets that I am with FBB on this one.

I very much doubt the poster is who they say they are. That kind of wilful yet consistently bad spelling, the (lack of) grammar, the ability to 'push' buttons, the variations in story and the over-riding fingers-in-ears-mentality make me think that this person is not at all what they seem and is having a wonderful time winding people up.

Just my sneaking suspicion...
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Stop feeding it, and it might just go away!.............And take it's Instustor with it......And consign the pelham to the bin.
 
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ester said:
brighteyes.................... step away from the computer.

from the vids I don't actually think she looks that strong, she is welshxtb right? that would be the welshness, sometimes it is false strength... drop the reins and there is nothing behind it.

did you see my q re spavin?
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Ester this is interesting, my daughter's pony (always in a snaffle) can charge off head in air and she can't stop him UNLESS she remembers to drop the reins - he then doesn't know what to do and slows right down, and she can regain control. It's very hard to think to do it (when you are just aged 11), as it seems the oppostie thing you should be doing.

What does the horse do if the OP drops the rein contact?
 
I don't think she's a troll; if you scroll down through her vids there's a vlog of hers in which she appears about as mature as she does on here (although fortunately she can speak marginally better than she can spell).

Just a silly, immature little attention seeker with a lovely pony that she's going to cripple, ruin or both. Much as it pains me to say this - leave her to it. Our advice is having the opposite to desired effect.
 
hmm, its just that lots of people will tell me he looks strong...... he def takes you to a jump but its all huff and puff and bounce, there is nothing behind it if I dropped the reins he wouldnt go anywhere (far too much effort!). Its difficult to get a happy medium between control... and having some say of where you are taking off etc and not having him too short and not going with him enough... often depends a bit what state my nerve is in at the time.

We had an accident jumping off end of last summer jumping off where I was letting him do his own thing at his pace... lesson learnt that although he is very good at working stuff out I have to have some say in what we are doing. I could jump him in any bit I liked, he goes in anything but it doesnt work too well if I have too much say iyswim so he goes in a snaffle (came in a dutch gag , others might be able to jump him in it but I def cant!)
 
Geez Louise....

Is the OP 14 yeasr old? does this not ring bells in people's heads?

You are not going to win this argument with a 14 year-old-school girl.

Believe me, I know.....I teach this age.

She will ask every other person their opinion, and will agree to go with everyone that sounds good, and will disagree with everyone that sounds bad....

Some of you are ranting like old sage's who know EVERYTHING. Has not one person considered the fact that there ARE horses who cannot cope with the nutcracker action of a snaffle bit? French-link or otherwise....and don't quote the use of bits to me, I am perfectly aware of how the majority work thankyou very much......

You can quote 'what to do' to a 14 year old girl all you like, but she will change her ideas as often as she gets up in a morning, and TBH....don't you think she will learn the hard way? Experiencing problems is the only sure-fire way to find out what works and what doesn't...

I really think some of you need to breath a little, at least her horse is getting fed, is cared for etc etc etc and is LOVED....why don't you vent some steam towards something that NEEDS venting against?

It doesn't matter how many times she asks for advice, changes her mind or gets snotty against you, the poster is 14 years old. THAT is your answer.

~Waits for the onslaught of the 100's of 'I'm 14 and I'm VERY mature, so ner!~ posts that will follow this...

:D
 
DragonSlayer said:
Geez Louise....

Is the OP 14 yeasr old? does this not ring bells in people's heads?

You are not going to win this argument with a 14 year-old-school girl.

Believe me, I know.....I teach this age.

She will ask every other person their opinion, and will agree to go with everyone that sounds good, and will disagree with everyone that sounds bad....

Some of you are ranting like old sage's who know EVERYTHING. Has not one person considered the fact that there ARE horses who cannot cope with the nutcracker action of a snaffle bit? French-link or otherwise....and don't quote the use of bits to me, I am perfectly aware of how the majority work thankyou very much......

You can quote 'what to do' to a 14 year old girl all you like, but she will change her ideas as often as she gets up in a morning, and TBH....don't you think she will learn the hard way? Experiencing problems is the only sure-fire way to find out what works and what doesn't...

I really think some of you need to breath a little, at least her horse is getting fed, is cared for etc etc etc and is LOVED....why don't you vent some steam towards something that NEEDS venting against?

It doesn't matter how many times she asks for advice, changes her mind or gets snotty against you, the poster is 14 years old. THAT is your answer.

~Waits for the onslaught of the 100's of 'I'm 14 and I'm VERY mature, so ner!~ posts that will follow this...

:D
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Absolutely. For example, I'm more concerned about the fact that, in May, she was advised (presumably by her vet?) to stop jumping the horse due to arthritis in its hocks, yet now she's jumping her 3 times a week.
 
Munchkin said:
I don't think she's a troll; if you scroll down through her vids there's a vlog of hers in which she appears about as mature as she does on here (although fortunately she can speak marginally better than she can spell).

Just a silly, immature little attention seeker with a lovely pony that she's going to cripple, ruin or both. Much as it pains me to say this - leave her to it. Our advice is having the opposite to desired effect.
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You sound like you need to get some :rolleyes:
 
Unfortunately, we can't change the world. And we certainly cannot change the freewill we all have...

There is absolutely no point in people getting steamed up over things like this, best just ignore it and tut to yourself, seriously, it is....

'Get that pelham out that mare's mouth NOW!' will have what effect exactly? Nothing.

The OP will just get more enraged......

If you see the OP doesn't like your reply, better to shrug and say you won't offer advice again. Insults breed insults, and then everyone ends up at each other's throats, showing us just why the rest of the world is at war....
 
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