Shes getting Even BETTER [pelham]
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Munchkin
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You sound like you need to get some
I do... but that's irrelevant!
Far worse things have been said about the OP over the last... however many pages we're at...
JDChaser
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I'm sorry but these threads always remind me of bullying. Imagine if people were saying this all to a 14 year old face to face, it'd never be acceptable 
Munchkin
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I'm sorry but these threads always remind me of bullying. Imagine if people were saying this all to a 14 year old face to face, it'd never be acceptable
And yet you chose to single my comment out
(despite it being true)For the record, I really couldn't care less about the pelham. I have refrained from commenting on any of her posts before now as I don't think advice is really what she's after.
I DO care, however, that she's jumping a pony that she's been told not to jump - as it has arthritis- 3 times a week, as high and as fast as possible.
Saying that, DragonSlayer is correct and there is no point in getting worked up over it as she doesn't have the pony's best interests in mind and nothing is going to change.
LauraWheeler
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I'm sorry but these threads always remind me of bullying. Imagine if people were saying this all to a 14 year old face to face, it'd never be acceptable
reminds me of JadeyyAndLadyy some of the comments are just uncalled for. I know alot of people are trying to help but this is just a good way to scare them off. Which is what nearly happened to JadeyyAndLadyy but look at her now. She has taken advice and her mare is realy picking up.
JDChaser
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Yes because I only read a few pages. Don't flatter yourself..!
It was your unnecessary remarks about her speaking and spelling which got me, why is that relevent to this post at all? That is just targeting,bullying,picking on... whatever you want to call it. You don't know her yet you choose to comment so personally on here and with so much seriousness. Seems strange to me.
It was your unnecessary remarks about her speaking and spelling which got me, why is that relevent to this post at all? That is just targeting,bullying,picking on... whatever you want to call it. You don't know her yet you choose to comment so personally on here and with so much seriousness. Seems strange to me.
Munchkin
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I think someone used JadeyyandLadyy as an example earlier in this thread though, Laura - she takes the advice because it's genuinely what she's after. I've never commented on her threads, either.
LauraWheeler
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I havn't read through all this post sorry. But it does make me sad to see people getting so worked up and at eachothers throughts. I don't normaly comment on threads like this either but it is starting to feel like bulling, i'm sorry but thats how it comes across. Everyone is moaning she's not taking there advice well why get worked up about it and someone you don't know. There is nothing you can do about it except type on here unless someone lives near her and can go and give her some practical advice and some proper help. Also everyone comenting on these posts and the way the forum works now it pushes other threads down that are posted by people who actualy want help and advice.
Munchkin
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There's no "seriousness" in it, believe me!
I have zero respect for anyone who responds to advice with: "i think ur a **** ;O" (not directed at me, by the way).
If you set out to attract attention, there's always a risk it'll be negative. Particularly when you speak to the people who were originally trying to help you, like that ^ !
I have zero respect for anyone who responds to advice with: "i think ur a **** ;O" (not directed at me, by the way).
If you set out to attract attention, there's always a risk it'll be negative. Particularly when you speak to the people who were originally trying to help you, like that ^ !
JDChaser
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But if you disapprove of her being rude so much then why do you follow her example?
DragonSlayer
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DragonSlayer
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.....if you were in one of my classes, I'd give you a credit....
JDChaser
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It was my Housemaster's favourite line; would always stop us bitchy teenagers in our tracks and make us think!
DragonSlayer
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For this, it is perfect!
JDChaser
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I often find myself muttering it when reading HHO... 
Munchkin
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Many people have suggested she's a troll and a wind-up merchant, and that her spelling was so bad it was obviously faked. I suggested that she isn't, and stated why that was my belief.
Surprised that's managed to add another 2 pages, to be honest
Surprised that's managed to add another 2 pages, to be honest
JDChaser
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You're honestly going to defend 'fortunately she can speak marginally better than she can spell' is anything but bitchy..?
P.S. Goodnight all.
P.S. Goodnight all.
Munchkin
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No, it was incredibly bitchy. And if I'm being totally honest, if I hadn't also just read (on YouTube) that she'd been told to stop jumping her horse due to arthritis, before taking it jumping, (and boasting about the heights jumped) I might not have said it. Annoyed, disgusted, wound up, human. Yes, I should have chilled out before I posted. I didn't. Still not sure it's worth another 2 (3?) pages adding to a thread where most of the participants had (and expressed) similar views to mine.
caitlin95uk
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that is the best well said line in this whole thread (Y)
i agree with someone who also said why bother arguing about someone you dont know, i have been trying to get it across to you, who in the right mind would listen to advice that they have never met rather then listen to their trusted insturctor,
and tbqh this thread has scared me, and im now worried about ever asking a question incase i get shot down and told that its the wrong thing to do
china
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well, 14 pages.. impressive
caitlin95uk
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and btw to the people who say she is a troll as she always gets 100+ replie,
yes obviously she is a troll.. ?
cos i mean obviously everyone wants:
14 pages of people arguing criticising you and your riding.
saying you are abusing you horse
telling you that your instructors got it all wrong..
yes obviously everyone wants that to happen.
this 14/15 year old girl is probably scared now of ever posting something again, whether she is happy about it or not, simply because of the replies she would get :/
yes obviously she is a troll.. ?
cos i mean obviously everyone wants:
14 pages of people arguing criticising you and your riding.
saying you are abusing you horse
telling you that your instructors got it all wrong..
yes obviously everyone wants that to happen.
this 14/15 year old girl is probably scared now of ever posting something again, whether she is happy about it or not, simply because of the replies she would get :/
Ranyhyn
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Wow, what a thread. I have no opinion other than to say its a sad sad day if we just turn a blind eye to things we don't agree with simply beause we can't do anything.
We can do something, we can talk to the person and hopefully make them see sense.
As for age, if she is old enough to post in the open areas of an adult forum, then she's old enough for the backlash - provided its not swearing and name calling. Which incidently - she's the only one doing..
We can do something, we can talk to the person and hopefully make them see sense.
As for age, if she is old enough to post in the open areas of an adult forum, then she's old enough for the backlash - provided its not swearing and name calling. Which incidently - she's the only one doing..
R2R
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QR. It isnt the horse that needs improving. It is you.
Ranyhyn
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Actually, maybe scratch that. Just had a look at her youtube page, she's only a bloody baby.
BSJA girl, please lose the attitude and go back to school with your pony, cut the jumping for a while and do some more training. No pelham, more fun training getting her listenning to you. One thats done and you are more in control - go back to jumping (that is if you are meant to be jumping) You have all the makings of a good rider, please don't be one of those brattish kids who ruin their ponies because they cannot wait. Be one who works on it and makes herself and her pony proud.
BSJA girl, please lose the attitude and go back to school with your pony, cut the jumping for a while and do some more training. No pelham, more fun training getting her listenning to you. One thats done and you are more in control - go back to jumping (that is if you are meant to be jumping) You have all the makings of a good rider, please don't be one of those brattish kids who ruin their ponies because they cannot wait. Be one who works on it and makes herself and her pony proud.
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Not slacking multitasking
well said kitty
R2R
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Kitsune, on one of her other threads, I gave her a full schooling plan of what she needs to do in order to get going and get her poor mare out and competing. If she worked her bum off, it would have only taken her a month. Other people have given her equally good tips.
Thing is she didn’t even have the courtesy to say thank you. Her position and approach, as reflected in her you tube videos, is that of ‘make do’ not ‘work and can do’.
She is ‘make doing’ with quick solutions which are going to do nothing for her, or her mare. It is sad really, but also a classic case of the common “overconfidentteenagerwhothinkstheyknowitallitious” which, I believe, is prevalent on many yards (and you don’t have to be a teenager)
I always say to the kids on my yard that you "can do" anything if you work for it. I have never charged them for my time, lessons etc, BUT they know if they want help it has to be earned and they have a job list to earn it. They are all hardworking. As a result they are all good little riders who know their limits and what they "can do". I wonder if BSJASJ123’s instructor just sees £££££ and is agreeing with her in order to keep being paid, as OP sounds a bit like if she doesn’t want to hear it she will change faster than someone said four faults? ????
BSJA, here is my original reply to you, for what it is actually worth.
QR - I thought I had posted this but clearly not...
I cant beleive you are still asking questions seeing as though you have taken quite a beating on this forum! Good for you
Firstly, I admire your ambition. I had similar ambition when I was your age...and still do, and it has taken over a decade to get to where I am (and that still involves schooling my horses at unaffiliated level!!) Maybe I am a slow learner, or have no talent ( )
I will also say that if you go to jump a newcomers the way you did on your you tube video it you will knock your confidence hugely and you will either come off, your horse will fall, or you won’t get past the second jump – so please don’t! Slowly slowly catchy monkey, and all that!!
The best exercise I can recommend to you is pole work – if you have your heart set on jumping, first lay 2 grids in your arena. One where you have to ride short strides, and one where you have to push for a slightly longer stride (put the poles further out)
When you are cantering over the poles confidently, introduce things (still poles) like unrelated distances (still in your grid) where you have to ride either 4 short strides or three long ones, and ride a 3 or 4 stride canter over them.
Having watched your riding, I would really suggest that you do this initial trot and canter exercise with no stirrups to help your balance, and hands
Then lay your poles out in a course (this should not all be done on the same day it is schooling, so should take as long as you and your horse needs) and literally, concentrate on cantering round seamlessly, getting your strides right between related distances, seeing a stride with your unrelated distances, changing if your horse changes, all at a correct and calm pace.
Your pole course should gradually become more complicated, so you introduce more technical aspects, such as tight turns, unrelated distances, bounce poles etc. You should also introduce (eventually) ‘folding’ over the poles, so you can see a stride, ‘take off’ and ‘landing’
Then introduce tiny jumps (1”6 max) – and continue to canter in exactly the same way as you did before. When you can do that confidently, build your jumps up gradually. If you can then confidently go and jump round in exactly the same way as you can the poles, you are probably ready to go out and compete. I would suggest local level would be the best option, as it is cheaper.
Your first round at BSJA (at whatever level) is to prove your horse can confidently jump round a technical course of show jumps, it doesn’t matter how long it takes really (so long as it is not all day) . So if you can go in, jump clear, and then push on for the second round, it will be worth your while, if not, you will pay a whapping load of registration and entry for not much else. Its not all about saying you are a member!!
The alternative option, of course, is to go to your local BSJA, warm up, buy yourself a ticket for newcomers, and see how you go...
Thing is she didn’t even have the courtesy to say thank you. Her position and approach, as reflected in her you tube videos, is that of ‘make do’ not ‘work and can do’.
She is ‘make doing’ with quick solutions which are going to do nothing for her, or her mare. It is sad really, but also a classic case of the common “overconfidentteenagerwhothinkstheyknowitallitious” which, I believe, is prevalent on many yards (and you don’t have to be a teenager)
I always say to the kids on my yard that you "can do" anything if you work for it. I have never charged them for my time, lessons etc, BUT they know if they want help it has to be earned and they have a job list to earn it. They are all hardworking. As a result they are all good little riders who know their limits and what they "can do". I wonder if BSJASJ123’s instructor just sees £££££ and is agreeing with her in order to keep being paid, as OP sounds a bit like if she doesn’t want to hear it she will change faster than someone said four faults? ????
BSJA, here is my original reply to you, for what it is actually worth.
QR - I thought I had posted this but clearly not...
I cant beleive you are still asking questions seeing as though you have taken quite a beating on this forum! Good for you
Firstly, I admire your ambition. I had similar ambition when I was your age...and still do, and it has taken over a decade to get to where I am (and that still involves schooling my horses at unaffiliated level!!) Maybe I am a slow learner, or have no talent ( )
I will also say that if you go to jump a newcomers the way you did on your you tube video it you will knock your confidence hugely and you will either come off, your horse will fall, or you won’t get past the second jump – so please don’t! Slowly slowly catchy monkey, and all that!!
The best exercise I can recommend to you is pole work – if you have your heart set on jumping, first lay 2 grids in your arena. One where you have to ride short strides, and one where you have to push for a slightly longer stride (put the poles further out)
When you are cantering over the poles confidently, introduce things (still poles) like unrelated distances (still in your grid) where you have to ride either 4 short strides or three long ones, and ride a 3 or 4 stride canter over them.
Having watched your riding, I would really suggest that you do this initial trot and canter exercise with no stirrups to help your balance, and hands
Then lay your poles out in a course (this should not all be done on the same day it is schooling, so should take as long as you and your horse needs) and literally, concentrate on cantering round seamlessly, getting your strides right between related distances, seeing a stride with your unrelated distances, changing if your horse changes, all at a correct and calm pace.
Your pole course should gradually become more complicated, so you introduce more technical aspects, such as tight turns, unrelated distances, bounce poles etc. You should also introduce (eventually) ‘folding’ over the poles, so you can see a stride, ‘take off’ and ‘landing’
Then introduce tiny jumps (1”6 max) – and continue to canter in exactly the same way as you did before. When you can do that confidently, build your jumps up gradually. If you can then confidently go and jump round in exactly the same way as you can the poles, you are probably ready to go out and compete. I would suggest local level would be the best option, as it is cheaper.
Your first round at BSJA (at whatever level) is to prove your horse can confidently jump round a technical course of show jumps, it doesn’t matter how long it takes really (so long as it is not all day) . So if you can go in, jump clear, and then push on for the second round, it will be worth your while, if not, you will pay a whapping load of registration and entry for not much else. Its not all about saying you are a member!!
The alternative option, of course, is to go to your local BSJA, warm up, buy yourself a ticket for newcomers, and see how you go...
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DipseyDeb
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As for age, if she is old enough to post in the open areas of an adult forum, then she's old enough for the backlash - provided its not swearing and name calling. Which incidently - she's the only one doing..[/QUOTE]
Well said, I've followed these posts with interest as I had nothing to add that everyone else hadn't already said....however...i feel I want to say my piece now, We've all been 14, 15, 16 whatever...and i can remember thinking that bits were the way to go, because I was too niave to know otherwise (also worked in a polo yard, so gadgets coming out of our ears!!) BUT at 18 I went to work in another yard with a fantastic lady who taught me alot, because I was prepared to listen!! The Op has taken it upon herself to post on a public forum asking for advise then having a tantrum when its not what she wants to hear, age aside!!!
Charlie came to me complete with dutch gag, martingale and flash!! (he's 4) they've since been stripped, I am a real fan of going back to basics, OP I think you need to find another instructor, sorry!
As for age, if she is old enough to post in the open areas of an adult forum, then she's old enough for the backlash - provided its not swearing and name calling. Which incidently - she's the only one doing..[/QUOTE]
Well said, I've followed these posts with interest as I had nothing to add that everyone else hadn't already said....however...i feel I want to say my piece now, We've all been 14, 15, 16 whatever...and i can remember thinking that bits were the way to go, because I was too niave to know otherwise (also worked in a polo yard, so gadgets coming out of our ears!!) BUT at 18 I went to work in another yard with a fantastic lady who taught me alot, because I was prepared to listen!! The Op has taken it upon herself to post on a public forum asking for advise then having a tantrum when its not what she wants to hear, age aside!!!
Charlie came to me complete with dutch gag, martingale and flash!! (he's 4) they've since been stripped, I am a real fan of going back to basics, OP I think you need to find another instructor, sorry!
BobbyMondeo
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OP. Please can you think about your mare and that pelham my not be right for her ( it may be as i have never seen the mare or your riding) I would suggest as you are only 14 and seem to lack some knowledge when it comes to riding and that a pelham might not be suited to you as your hands will not be good enough. I wouldnt trust myself with a pelham so im not just critising you.
Please have a long talk with your intructer and ask her why she thinks the pelham would be good for both of you and why the action of the pelham will help, it will help you understand this bit if anything and if she just says "more breaks" or equivillant you know she is not the right instructor for you.
I know as a 14yo girl you want to be out there competing with your friends and having fun but you really need to think about your pony and do what is best for her not you.
It sounds like she is getting strong because she avoiding that pelham and it will only make her worse to keep it in
As others have said, go back to schooling on the flat in a snaffle preferably and get her really listening to you without much rein, once you feel in control like that, then put the jumps up and slowly build them back up to height. Within a few weeks to a month you will really feel the difference.
You have recieved some cracking adivce from people on here who really know what they are talking about, you would be silly not to try it! Give yourself and your mare a break from the pressure and go back to basics, if you do your mare will be better than a lot of the ponies you see out their jumping and you will have a horse you can really be proud of.
Please have a long talk with your intructer and ask her why she thinks the pelham would be good for both of you and why the action of the pelham will help, it will help you understand this bit if anything and if she just says "more breaks" or equivillant you know she is not the right instructor for you.
I know as a 14yo girl you want to be out there competing with your friends and having fun but you really need to think about your pony and do what is best for her not you.
It sounds like she is getting strong because she avoiding that pelham and it will only make her worse to keep it in
As others have said, go back to schooling on the flat in a snaffle preferably and get her really listening to you without much rein, once you feel in control like that, then put the jumps up and slowly build them back up to height. Within a few weeks to a month you will really feel the difference.
You have recieved some cracking adivce from people on here who really know what they are talking about, you would be silly not to try it! Give yourself and your mare a break from the pressure and go back to basics, if you do your mare will be better than a lot of the ponies you see out their jumping and you will have a horse you can really be proud of.
touchstone
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I'd also just add that discomfort can cause a horse to rush its fences, if you've been told not to jump your horse because of spavins then I'd be listening to that advice to be honest, or certainly not be jumping as frequently.
Ask any top showjumper and they will tell you that it is the flatwork that makes a good jumper, and improving yourself as a rider (gadget free) is the best way to improve any horse.
Just my two penneth worth, it's up to you what you do at the end of the day, but if you want the best for your horse and yourself as a rider long term, then going back to basics is a good start.
Ask any top showjumper and they will tell you that it is the flatwork that makes a good jumper, and improving yourself as a rider (gadget free) is the best way to improve any horse.
Just my two penneth worth, it's up to you what you do at the end of the day, but if you want the best for your horse and yourself as a rider long term, then going back to basics is a good start.
RolyPolyPony
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I've been reading this and someone mention the OP being a possible troll. I wonder if caitlin95uk has anything to do with it? (i apologise if not) but she,s the same age as OP and all of a sudden appear to 'stick up for her'? Just a thought. After one of her comment about taking advice off of people on here than instructor. Loads of people take on board the advice from people on here as a 2nd opinion. (sorry to go back about 5yrs! Lol)