Shetlands and wormers

[mystiandsunny]

Is it just that it is hard to guess the weight and that is why the stronger wormers e.g. Equest Pramox are not recommended? Or do Shetlands actually react badly to some chemicals? Off to weighbridge our Shetland today so we know for sure (had to guess before as no transport). If I have an accurate weight, can I use any wormer?

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

I have used Pramox in the Shetland many times with no adverse effects. I have Big standards. I wouldn't ever give it to an infoal/lactating mare or a foal though.

 

[MissTyc]

I've used Pramox on several standards and a mini. If they have a normal worm burden and otherwise healthy I've always been told to go for it!
Maybe give you vet a ring to double check if you're worried?

 

[ycbm]

I won't use Pramox on anything since being told by a rep from the company who sells it that moxodectin/praziquantel is too strong and they get a lot of adverse reactions reported.

 

[milliepops]

I won't use Pramox on anything since being told by a rep from the company who sells it that moxodectin/praziquantel is too strong and they get a lot of adverse reactions reported.

that's really interesting YCBM. I got in a bit of hot water at my yard for refusing to give mine Pramox this year, I said I would give the 2 as separate doses but YO was decidedly miffed with me. I've seen loads of anecdotal evidence about adverse reactions so it just seems like a risk that wasn't worth taking, but I couldn't find anything written to support my position

(sorry OP, not intending to derail)

 

[ycbm]

that's really interesting YCBM. I got in a bit of hot water at my yard for refusing to give mine Pramox this year, I said I would give the 2 as separate doses but YO was decidedly miffed with me. I've seen loads of anecdotal evidence about adverse reactions so it just seems like a risk that wasn't worth taking, but I couldn't find anything written to support my position

(sorry OP, not intending to derail)

I'm sure the person would have got in a lot of trouble if the company knew. I was with friends traveling to Hoys and we just got chatting about barefoot and I mentioned foot sensitivity after using Pramox - if you look that up you'll find loads of reports of it. And they said they would never give it to a horse of theirs because of the adverse reactions.

I give ivermectin/praziquantel but not moxidectin/praziquantel.

 

[milliepops]

yes ours had eqvalan duo last autumn and that was fine. I've heard of the footiness after Pramox too. Ho hum, I'll just keep on stubbornly doing my own thing

 

[poiuytrewq]

I use pramox on all mine including a Shetland. I was very hesitant using it on a Welsh A who was in his 20's and of unknown back ground however my vet said as long as he was healthy and not obviously wormy he should be fine.

 

[The Fuzzy Furry]

I've used Pramox on my bigger 33" solid mini but not the 31" delicate flower (MF).
MF has had Strongid and also 5 day guard (this one soon after she came), as well as E.Duo.

 

[whiteflower]

It 'should' be fine to use on any horse/pony at the recommended dose for their weight. I'm not sure why you think a Shetland as a breed would be more of less at risk from it than any other pony. The cases I've heard of where there have been issues has generally been where the horse had unknown worming history or not been wormed correctly and therefore possibly a high worm burden. Best thing is to speak to your vet if your concerned. I won't use it on mine. They all are worm counted and monitored regularly but from the number of reactions I've heard of/witnessed I would rather give equest for encysted red and then worm for tapeworm separately. Love the fact your talking your pony to a weigh bridge ! At least you can insure the correct dose of what ever you decide to give !

 

[mystiandsunny]

Well, pony weighs 240kg and weigh tape said 270kg so a difference of 12%! I was thinking 5 day panacur guard for encysted worms as a mix of horses with different worming histories. Or would eqvalan be ok for all? Used to use Equest Pramox with no issues but that was with bigger horses.

 

[ester]

eqvalan won't do encysted though it is getting late to be doing that now probably best still covered.

I'm not a huge pramox fan but as much as anything that is because I don't usually want to tapes and encysteds at the same time on a standard program.

 

[whiteflower]

Well, pony weighs 240kg and weigh tape said 270kg so a difference of 12%! I was thinking 5 day panacur guard for encysted worms as a mix of horses with different worming histories. Or would eqvalan be ok for all? Used to use Equest Pramox with no issues but that was with bigger horses.

Equvalan won't do encysted red worm as eater says. You can use panacur guard but I believe there is some resistance shown to this or you can use equest as a single dose. That will cover you for everything bar tapeworm. You will need to give a separate tapeworm wormer. With any new horses on my yard they are given equest and then equitape a week later. They then go onto the yard worm egg count programme and treated for encysted red once a year and currently tapeworm once a year although we are looking into changing that for equisal tests in the future

 

[StableMum]

I've read that moxidectin shouldn't be given to miniature horses, and because of that I wouldn't risk it on my Shetland.

 

[NiceNeverNaughty]

Ive also used pramox many times on shetlands, both standards and minis. It didn’t used to be licensed for use in pregnant mares but it is now and I have also used it on mares infoal with no problems. Ive always been advised thats its more dangerous to underdose than overdose, I understand you have to be careful in case of a possible reaction but if you don’t dose enough you risk building resistance.

Has anyone got a link to or seen something from a verifiable , reputable source about pramox and caution being advised for it's use in shetlands/minis ? Ive seen this info shared about a lot on FB and on forums but never found anything official.

 

[meleeka]

Well, pony weighs 240kg and weigh tape said 270kg so a difference of 12%! I was thinking 5 day panacur guard for encysted worms as a mix of horses with different worming histories. Or would eqvalan be ok for all? Used to use Equest Pramox with no issues but that was with bigger horses.

Interestingly I’ve used Pramox on my mini and my Cushings pony with no problem, but Panacur 5 day made my Cushings polny colic.

 

[Equi]

I won’t and don’t recommend it’s given to minis purely because they’re weights are so hard to guess. A full up mini can be as light as 130kg sometimes less for more fine ones and I’d love to meet anyone who can dose that accurately with a pramox. It’s a very potent drug and there is so little of the animal to give it to - many adverse effects are probably due to vast overdosing. I in fact debated with my friend who was about to worm her mini based on 250kg as that’s what her weight tape said - I asked several people about it and they all came back with the same size of Horse give or take a few kilo at 100kg less than hers. A blooming 12hh pony can weigh 250kg.

Weigh tapes are just not accurate for miniatures and sometimes shetlands cause their body proportions are so different. Larger girth’s and deeper too with nothing else to them.

Considering the company themslef say it’s probably not a good idea makes it case and point for me.

It wouldn’t matter how many people said it didn’t harm theirs, Better safe than sorry for me.

I use fenbendazole, ivermectin, pyrentel only. I just got my tape/roundworm tests back this week both with zero worms found so it’s working fine for me.

 

[NiceNeverNaughty]

really interested to see, where does the company say it isn’t a good idea? thanks

 

[Cecile]

I won’t and don’t recommend it’s given to minis purely because they’re weights are so hard to guess. A full up mini can be as light as 130kg sometimes less for more fine ones and I’d love to meet anyone who can dose that accurately with a pramox. It’s a very potent drug and there is so little of the animal to give it to - many adverse effects are probably due to vast overdosing. I in fact debated with my friend who was about to worm her mini based on 250kg as that’s what her weight tape said - I asked several people about it and they all came back with the same size of Horse give or take a few kilo at 100kg less than hers. A blooming 12hh pony can weigh 250kg.

Weigh tapes are just not accurate for miniatures and sometimes shetlands cause their body proportions are so different. Larger girth’s and deeper too with nothing else to them.

Considering the company themslef say it’s probably not a good idea makes it case and point for me.

It wouldn’t matter how many people said it didn’t harm theirs, Better safe than sorry for me.

I use fenbendazole, ivermectin, pyrentel only. I just got my tape/roundworm tests back this week both with zero worms found so it’s working fine for me.

You are so right about weight tapes and minis, I relied on the weight tape measurement for one mini and when he was put on a weighing machine the difference was significant, the difference was 40 kilo's loss of weight on the machine within 2 days of using the weight tape

Someone also thought one of my others would weigh about 200kgs the weight tape says 150kgs so I'm guessing if I put him on a weight machine he would be 110kgs as he is quite fine. I now use a weight tape just to see if its going up or down as a guide rather than a weight