Pidgeon
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Last time the photo was a bit blurry but hopefully this one is better for you to do a critque on please?
taken yesterday
taken today
taken yesterday
taken today
Shils any chance of a confo critique please? better pic this time
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Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
I will do one later today...but I have to go out to buy more embers to stock Hades with in the meantime. 
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Pidgeon
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Thanks, please excuse his shaved hock, hock spavin back so had cortisteroid jabs and is now on day 19 out of work :-(
Eep hope your credit card limit is high buying embers for Hades does not come cheap
Eep hope your credit card limit is high buying embers for Hades does not come cheap
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Ok, Hades is now burning brightly ready for the next 'customers'.
Overall impression - my first impression is that I very much like this horse, he's a nice type who ought to turn his hoof to most things to a reasonable level.
Head - large expressive eye, nicely marked. Good size of head for the rest of him. Large ears (sign of generous nature, supposedly). He has a slight curve to his nose suggesting some common blood (sorry), and perhaps slightly small nostrils. His mouth looks wide, but again quite short so maybe difficult to squash a double bridle in there. If I am to be picky, I'd say he's a bit thick through the jowl, so may find it harder to flex into an outline.
Neck - length is ok, but seems to come out of chest without as much definition as it might. Has good muscle on topline - but perhaps a little too much development of the muscles under the neck too (brachiocephalic etc) which can indicate resistance to the bit. He's a bit undeveloped in the side muscles which control lateral bend of the neck - so may not bend in a stable way on circles.
Withers - fine for his type, shouldn't be too difficult to fit a saddle to.
Shoulder - a little short, and a little upright, both of which will shorten the stride length.
Body - has reasonable depth, so heart and lungs should be ok for stamina.
Back - nicely proportioned through the thoracic vertebrae, but a touch long in the loin, which makes the back weaker (the longer a bridge is, the more support it would need), but the rest looks ok. Has decent muscling over back, so appears to usually work correctly.
Front legs - appears slightly short in the forearm (the low clip doesn't help this!), and the joints could be more clearly defined. Good short forearm for tendon strength. Pasterns are an appropriate length, but quite upright - this is often paired with an upright shoulder, and again shortens the stride and reduces the concussion absorption. The hooves look a little boxy, and I can't decide whether his HPA is broken or not. He also appears a little toed out in front which may result in a less than straight action, but I can't really tell.
Hind legs - straight, quite short and upright from hip to hock (this again will result in a shorter stride and make it harder for him to engage behind). The hind cannons and pasterns are a good length, although again the latter are a bit upright, and the hooves similar to the fronts (good quality horn though).
From behind, his pelvis appears level, and he has a decent width between his back legs, which are nice and straight - suggesting he moves true (slight cow hocks are fine).
I don't know why, but despite him having a few conformational faults, I really like the look of him - I think many of us would rather ride a horse with a nice nature who'll try, than a horse with perfect conformation who won't.
Now - can I have him?
S
Overall impression - my first impression is that I very much like this horse, he's a nice type who ought to turn his hoof to most things to a reasonable level.
Head - large expressive eye, nicely marked. Good size of head for the rest of him. Large ears (sign of generous nature, supposedly). He has a slight curve to his nose suggesting some common blood (sorry), and perhaps slightly small nostrils. His mouth looks wide, but again quite short so maybe difficult to squash a double bridle in there. If I am to be picky, I'd say he's a bit thick through the jowl, so may find it harder to flex into an outline.
Neck - length is ok, but seems to come out of chest without as much definition as it might. Has good muscle on topline - but perhaps a little too much development of the muscles under the neck too (brachiocephalic etc) which can indicate resistance to the bit. He's a bit undeveloped in the side muscles which control lateral bend of the neck - so may not bend in a stable way on circles.
Withers - fine for his type, shouldn't be too difficult to fit a saddle to.
Shoulder - a little short, and a little upright, both of which will shorten the stride length.
Body - has reasonable depth, so heart and lungs should be ok for stamina.
Back - nicely proportioned through the thoracic vertebrae, but a touch long in the loin, which makes the back weaker (the longer a bridge is, the more support it would need), but the rest looks ok. Has decent muscling over back, so appears to usually work correctly.
Front legs - appears slightly short in the forearm (the low clip doesn't help this!), and the joints could be more clearly defined. Good short forearm for tendon strength. Pasterns are an appropriate length, but quite upright - this is often paired with an upright shoulder, and again shortens the stride and reduces the concussion absorption. The hooves look a little boxy, and I can't decide whether his HPA is broken or not. He also appears a little toed out in front which may result in a less than straight action, but I can't really tell.
Hind legs - straight, quite short and upright from hip to hock (this again will result in a shorter stride and make it harder for him to engage behind). The hind cannons and pasterns are a good length, although again the latter are a bit upright, and the hooves similar to the fronts (good quality horn though).
From behind, his pelvis appears level, and he has a decent width between his back legs, which are nice and straight - suggesting he moves true (slight cow hocks are fine).
I don't know why, but despite him having a few conformational faults, I really like the look of him - I think many of us would rather ride a horse with a nice nature who'll try, than a horse with perfect conformation who won't.
Now - can I have him?
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Bowen4Horses
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Ok, Hades is now burning brightly ready for the next 'customers'.
Overall impression - my first impression is that I very much like this horse, he's a nice type who ought to turn his hoof to most things to a reasonable level.
Head - large expressive eye, nicely marked. Good size of head for the rest of him. Large ears (sign of generous nature, supposedly). He has a slight curve to his nose suggesting some common blood (sorry), and perhaps slightly small nostrils. His mouth looks wide, but again quite short so maybe difficult to squash a double bridle in there. If I am to be picky, I'd say he's a bit thick through the jowl, so may find it harder to flex into an outline.
Neck - length is ok, but seems to come out of chest without as much definition as it might. Has good muscle on topline - but perhaps a little too much development of the muscles under the neck too (brachiocephalic etc) which can indicate resistance to the bit. He's a bit undeveloped in the side muscles which control lateral bend of the neck - so may not bend in a stable way on circles.
Withers - fine for his type, shouldn't be too difficult to fit a saddle to.
Shoulder - a little short, and a little upright, both of which will shorten the stride length.
Body - has reasonable depth, so heart and lungs should be ok for stamina.
Back - nicely proportioned through the thoracic vertebrae, but a touch long in the loin, which makes the back weaker (the longer a bridge is, the more support it would need), but the rest looks ok. Has decent muscling over back, so appears to usually work correctly.
Front legs - appears slightly short in the forearm (the low clip doesn't help this!), and the joints could be more clearly defined. Good short forearm for tendon strength. Pasterns are an appropriate length, but quite upright - this is often paired with an upright shoulder, and again shortens the stride and reduces the concussion absorption. The hooves look a little boxy, and I can't decide whether his HPA is broken or not. He also appears a little toed out in front which may result in a less than straight action, but I can't really tell.
Hind legs - straight, quite short and upright from hip to hock (this again will result in a shorter stride and make it harder for him to engage behind). The hind cannons and pasterns are a good length, although again the latter are a bit upright, and the hooves similar to the fronts (good quality horn though).
From behind, his pelvis appears level, and he has a decent width between his back legs, which are nice and straight - suggesting he moves true (slight cow hocks are fine).
I don't know why, but despite him having a few conformational faults, I really like the look of him - I think many of us would rather ride a horse with a nice nature who'll try, than a horse with perfect conformation who won't.
Now - can I have him?
S
wow! you're gooooood!
one day i'll post you a photo of Raff (though, will have to make sure you've got plenty of time on your hands... conformationally you could be fooled into thinking he was a camel x donkey).
OP - lovely little horsey!
MrsMozart
Just passing through...
I like
I learn more and more each time I read one of Shils's CCs
I learn more and more each time I read one of Shils's CCs
Cliqmo
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I must have scrolled back up to the photo and said 'oh yeah' about a dozen times when reading that CC!! ...I am much less competent and articulate than Shils at critiquing horses but I do wholeheartedly agree that he is gorgeous and I would snap him up too!!
kezimac
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oooh you are so good.... i think we need a board for conformation critique just by shils.... i may even take camera to yard tomorrow!!!!! lol ..
Pidgeon
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Ok, Hades is now burning brightly ready for the next 'customers'.
Overall impression - my first impression is that I very much like this horse, he's a nice type who ought to turn his hoof to most things to a reasonable level.
“OMG is that really you Shils or an imposter? you do realize that not only is he chestnut he’s a registered ISH with a tad more TB in him than ID!“
Head - large expressive eye, nicely marked. Good size of head for the rest of him. Large ears (sign of generous nature, supposedly).
“Yep spot on he wouldn’t hurt a fly and adores humans, he’s known as the gentle giant”
He has a slight curve to his nose suggesting some common blood (sorry), “that’ll be the ID in him” and perhaps slightly small nostrils. His mouth looks wide, but again quite short so maybe difficult to squash a double bridle in there. If I am to be picky, I'd say he's a bit thick through the jowl, so may find it harder to flex into an outline. “correct again”
Neck - length is ok, but seems to come out of chest without as much definition as it might. Has good muscle on topline - but perhaps a little too much development of the muscles under the neck too (brachiocephalic etc) which can indicate resistance to the bit. “Spot on as he can get a bit resistant but so much better than when I first had him”
He's a bit undeveloped in the side muscles which control lateral bend of the neck - so may not bend in a stable way on circles.
Withers - fine for his type, shouldn't be too difficult to fit a saddle to. “very good as his jump saddle is off the shelf and not made to measure”
Shoulder - a little short, and a little upright, both of which will shorten the stride length. “hmm now see I think he has a long stride, he certainly covers the ground well, we are always well within the time XC for example without galloping mind”
Body - has reasonable depth, so heart and lungs should be ok for stamina.”can go forever!”
Back - nicely proportioned through the thoracic vertebrae, but a touch long in the loin, which makes the back weaker (the longer a bridge is, the more support it would need), but the rest looks ok. Has decent muscling over back, so appears to usually work correctly. “He is very long in the back and is in a 7’ or 7’3” rug so correct again and thanks have worked very hard on getting him to work properly rather than drag himself along with his front end”
Front legs - appears slightly short in the forearm (the low clip doesn't help this!), and the joints could be more clearly defined. “He’s a tad hairy and I clipped him for practical reasons not looks, you should see his tramlines!” Good short forearm for tendon strength. Pasterns are an appropriate length, but quite upright - this is often paired with an upright shoulder, and again shortens the stride and reduces the concussion absorption. The hooves look a little boxy, and I can't decide whether his HPA is broken or not. He also appears a little toed out in front which may result in a less than straight action, but I can't really tell. “Feet are pretty big and round, that’ll be the ID not TB coming through. What’s HPA? It’s probably the way he’s stood as he moves straight in front just brings his off hind in a bit due to his hock spavin”
Hind legs - straight, quite short and upright from hip to hock (this again will result in a shorter stride and make it harder for him to engage behind). The hind cannons and pasterns are a good length, although again the latter are a bit upright, and the hooves similar to the fronts (good quality horn though). “Thanks worked hard to get his feet right as they were awful when I got him, like dinner plates”
From behind, his pelvis appears level, and he has a decent width between his back legs, which are nice and straight - suggesting he moves true (slight cow hocks are fine). “Brill thanks”
I don't know why, but despite him having a few conformational faults, I really like the look of him - I think many of us would rather ride a horse with a nice nature who'll try, than a horse with perfect conformation who won't.
Now - can I have him?
“Aw Shils thanks that last sentence sums him up exactly, he tries his heart out whatever he is doing whether its dressage, SJ or XC, he positively enjoys any sort of work and will just do whatever I ask him to. He owes me nothing and I owe him loads. LOL sorry Shils he has a home for life, plus what would owning and ISH do to your reputation “grin” thanks so much for taking the time to do a confo critique on my boy, very much appreciated"
Overall impression - my first impression is that I very much like this horse, he's a nice type who ought to turn his hoof to most things to a reasonable level.
“OMG is that really you Shils or an imposter? you do realize that not only is he chestnut he’s a registered ISH with a tad more TB in him than ID!“
Head - large expressive eye, nicely marked. Good size of head for the rest of him. Large ears (sign of generous nature, supposedly).
“Yep spot on he wouldn’t hurt a fly and adores humans, he’s known as the gentle giant”
He has a slight curve to his nose suggesting some common blood (sorry), “that’ll be the ID in him” and perhaps slightly small nostrils. His mouth looks wide, but again quite short so maybe difficult to squash a double bridle in there. If I am to be picky, I'd say he's a bit thick through the jowl, so may find it harder to flex into an outline. “correct again”
Neck - length is ok, but seems to come out of chest without as much definition as it might. Has good muscle on topline - but perhaps a little too much development of the muscles under the neck too (brachiocephalic etc) which can indicate resistance to the bit. “Spot on as he can get a bit resistant but so much better than when I first had him”
He's a bit undeveloped in the side muscles which control lateral bend of the neck - so may not bend in a stable way on circles.
Withers - fine for his type, shouldn't be too difficult to fit a saddle to. “very good as his jump saddle is off the shelf and not made to measure”
Shoulder - a little short, and a little upright, both of which will shorten the stride length. “hmm now see I think he has a long stride, he certainly covers the ground well, we are always well within the time XC for example without galloping mind”
Body - has reasonable depth, so heart and lungs should be ok for stamina.”can go forever!”
Back - nicely proportioned through the thoracic vertebrae, but a touch long in the loin, which makes the back weaker (the longer a bridge is, the more support it would need), but the rest looks ok. Has decent muscling over back, so appears to usually work correctly. “He is very long in the back and is in a 7’ or 7’3” rug so correct again and thanks have worked very hard on getting him to work properly rather than drag himself along with his front end”
Front legs - appears slightly short in the forearm (the low clip doesn't help this!), and the joints could be more clearly defined. “He’s a tad hairy and I clipped him for practical reasons not looks, you should see his tramlines!” Good short forearm for tendon strength. Pasterns are an appropriate length, but quite upright - this is often paired with an upright shoulder, and again shortens the stride and reduces the concussion absorption. The hooves look a little boxy, and I can't decide whether his HPA is broken or not. He also appears a little toed out in front which may result in a less than straight action, but I can't really tell. “Feet are pretty big and round, that’ll be the ID not TB coming through. What’s HPA? It’s probably the way he’s stood as he moves straight in front just brings his off hind in a bit due to his hock spavin”
Hind legs - straight, quite short and upright from hip to hock (this again will result in a shorter stride and make it harder for him to engage behind). The hind cannons and pasterns are a good length, although again the latter are a bit upright, and the hooves similar to the fronts (good quality horn though). “Thanks worked hard to get his feet right as they were awful when I got him, like dinner plates”
From behind, his pelvis appears level, and he has a decent width between his back legs, which are nice and straight - suggesting he moves true (slight cow hocks are fine). “Brill thanks”
I don't know why, but despite him having a few conformational faults, I really like the look of him - I think many of us would rather ride a horse with a nice nature who'll try, than a horse with perfect conformation who won't.
Now - can I have him?
“Aw Shils thanks that last sentence sums him up exactly, he tries his heart out whatever he is doing whether its dressage, SJ or XC, he positively enjoys any sort of work and will just do whatever I ask him to. He owes me nothing and I owe him loads. LOL sorry Shils he has a home for life, plus what would owning and ISH do to your reputation “grin” thanks so much for taking the time to do a confo critique on my boy, very much appreciated"
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Yeah, I could tell he was an ID x but I was trying not to shame you in public.
(I'd never be seen with anything common though - any rumours that I have a half Shire are complete lies).It's quite fun doing confo critiques and trying to guess what the horse will feel like to ride... as long as you're not offended.
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Pidgeon
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PMSL as if you'd even look at a horse that was half shire
hells bells nowhere near offended, just amazed at what you can tell about a horse from his confo, you're very good at it
hells bells nowhere near offended, just amazed at what you can tell about a horse from his confo, you're very good at it
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
I'd blush if my green scales would allow it...
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Angelbones
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xxxxxxxxxxxxx does anyone know how to delete a post?
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Angelbones
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oh well tried a reply then tried a delete - may not have worked. if not, please ignore.
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
*hic*
village idiot :D
PMSL at the above exchanges!
It is fascinating to see what other people see and to be able to scroll up to the pictures and go "Oh yeah!" or "I thought that!"
*considers putting up photos of her 1/4 shire . . . . . and then backs hastily away from the computer, we've already had the damning "That is NOT an object of great beauty" the first time my daughter's instructor saw her*
Actually whilst I'm waffling - not only is my big mare 1/4 Shire, she's also a Nijinski granddaughter! As a breeder said to me recently "Who in their right minds thought up that combination?
It is fascinating to see what other people see and to be able to scroll up to the pictures and go "Oh yeah!" or "I thought that!"
*considers putting up photos of her 1/4 shire . . . . . and then backs hastily away from the computer, we've already had the damning "That is NOT an object of great beauty" the first time my daughter's instructor saw her*
Actually whilst I'm waffling - not only is my big mare 1/4 Shire, she's also a Nijinski granddaughter! As a breeder said to me recently "Who in their right minds thought up that combination?
Pidgeon
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Am intrigued AB at what you posted and then deleted?
Natch
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Shills, can I be nit picky in the interests of learning?
Do you mean sternocephallic, which I thought was the lower of the neck muscles, rather than bracheocephallic which I thought was up near the rhomboideous (yes spelling probably is dodgy!) *off to look in textbook once I've typed this*
...and for the HPA, with regards to the hind feet is it just me or does one look broken one direction and the other in the other direction? Is this to be expected for the stance the horse is in, (I wouldn't have thought so in the direction the one closest to us appears to go) and if the horse were stood truly square could this horse actually have a perfectly straight HPA?
Thanks teach
Natch
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PMSL as if you'd even look at a horse that was half shire
From what I hear she doesn't, not without her Hades Shades on. The half-shire actually turns into a flouncing arab when Shills Special Specs are donned, so they say
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Shills, can I be nit picky in the interests of learning?
Do you mean sternocephallic, which I thought was the lower of the neck muscles, rather than bracheocephallic which I thought was up near the rhomboideous (yes spelling probably is dodgy!) *off to look in textbook once I've typed this*
...and for the HPA, with regards to the hind feet is it just me or does one look broken one direction and the other in the other direction? Is this to be expected for the stance the horse is in, (I wouldn't have thought so in the direction the one closest to us appears to go) and if the horse were stood truly square could this horse actually have a perfectly straight HPA?
Thanks teach
The sternocephalic is the one furthest forward, but the brachiocephalicus muscle is close beside it, joining skull to shoulder. The rhomboideus, I think, is a deal higher, towards the poll.
If you're an anatomy geek, then Sara Wyche's books are great, incidentally, and there's also a good CD-Rom by Warwickshire.
I know what you mean about the HPA in the hinds, but I decided it was just the way Pidgeon was standing in the photo. I couldn't be sure about the fronts.
Of course, CC is a lot easier if you have a horse stood in front of you - photos can be deceptive making horses look very different.
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Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Am intrigued AB at what you posted and then deleted?
She was being anti-daemon, and then was awaiting a 'vicious response' from me, apparently, not realising I am far too lazy to oblige.
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ester
Not slacking multitasking
half shire 
*wonders if shils really would be able to resist Frank cob in the flesh*............hmm.......... probably
*wonders if shils really would be able to resist Frank cob in the flesh*............hmm.......... probably
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
half shire
*wonders if shils really would be able to resist Frank cob in the flesh*............hmm.......... probably
I can resist cobs in the flesh, diced, sliced or even minced.
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Pidgeon
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tut tut tut how could anyone possibly be anti daemon in a post directed at you "trundles off whistling innocently"
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Well, with a name like A***lbones, I suspect she's one of those Ch***tians.
We've never been on good terms, you know. Not for a couple of thousand years, anyway. S
Pidgeon
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Two swear words in one post, that must have hurt typing that out, perhaps she was trying to convert you back to the good side?