Kenzo
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I'd like to pick your brains and appeal to either any farriers on here or those who have a wealth of experience when it comes to 'correct' shoeing, corrective shoeing or remedial shoeing...I'll quote all three to keep everyone happy.
I know farriers can't work miracles on something that will never be right due to poor confirmation but if there is anything that can be done to help improve things then of course I want to be on the case asap not only that but I'd like to know that who ever is shoeing my horses gives a dam and goes out of his way to help improve things for the horses comfort, well you expect that from any farrier anyway but you get my drift.
The thing is, I'm not really convinced or too sure (as I'm no expert myself) that the farrier who has has been shoeing this horse (before I took him on loan and since he's been on loan) is doing his best or lets say helping the situation.
He's not my own farrier you see, as I was advised to keep using him because he always shod this horse and 'knows' about his box foot and the history of it etc, so I agreed with the owners that yes that was probably for the best rather than swopping to my own farrier, at the time it maked sense.
But now I'm more familiar with the horse (as I've been riding him since spring time but didnt actually take him on loan till Oct) and the fact that I've been told that he's occasionally bridle lame (I think its possible ring bone giving him jib and down to his foot but they said no its nothing he passed a 5 stage vetting...long story) but anyway back to the subject again he's been sound as a pound and noticed that he tends to be (I'm finding a bit of a pattern now) that he's not totally sound when and close after he's been shod, now I do think there is more to it than that but I do think that with a good farrier things could be better.
So this weekend the farrier came I asked questions about the box foot (are there any ways to improve the foot or different ways to shoe something like this etc...basically expecting some kind feed back, knowledge...or just something at least) but I just got nothing
which didn't fill me with confidence, only thing he said was that he had soft soles and that he was sorry for catching him, yes he cut into his sole and the poor horse was bleeding
, now I don't know how often this happens but in all the years I've watched horses and ponies being shod and with our own, I've never seen this before, yes accidents do happen I appreciate that but what with laming him last time, finding out that he's always foot sore after been shod, my friends horse had nail bind for nearly two weeks and he didn't even come to take the shoes off (this was a while ago) and then not giving me any feed back or info about remedial shoeing I thought that's it, no more
, I'm asking the owner if I can have my own farrier to him from now on.
Not only that but its clear to see that the hoof quality has improved no end since I put him on biotin for the last 6 months, no more cracks or brittleness, his shoes are not falling off every other week (like they were back in spring), his hoofs are much stronger and people have commented on his box foot looking better but only when he's in need of shoeing again (when he's got a bit more length on it), he's also been a lot more sound too when he's got more length on them (this is the pattern I'm noticing).
I don't think he's just foot sore because he caught him, because he seems to feel it on both, (he's not lame on one particular leg ,just short in both I'd say in trot) but he's fine in walk, but I don't just think its because he caught him, I know for a fact he's be the same purely because he's just been shod.
So I'd like to know what a good farrier should be hoping to achieve or look for when shoeing a box foot or how to help the way the horse holds himself, I agree in this case its not just the foot, the horse does have a slightly crooked pastern (its hard to explain without actually showing you a photo...I'm making it sound worse that it is) but I personally think its ringbone (which makes sense as it's a common thing to develop from a dickey foot) and I did ask the farrier if it looked like ringbone (to see what he said) and he said probably...again thats all he said.
He's not my horse but of course I want to ensure that I do all I can to keep him in shape, healthy and comfortable as he loves going out, he's really come into his own now and he's like a different horse so I need to know myself that he's been shod correctly to prevent any further problems in the future...even when he goes back to his owner, he's only 7 and years of poor shoeing could have long lasting damage that can't be rectified.
Sorry for any typo's (well more than usual) I can see as I've not got my contacts in due to eye infection so everything is blurrrrrrr!
Anyway as usual any feedback/advice would be much appreciated.
Thank you
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I know farriers can't work miracles on something that will never be right due to poor confirmation but if there is anything that can be done to help improve things then of course I want to be on the case asap not only that but I'd like to know that who ever is shoeing my horses gives a dam and goes out of his way to help improve things for the horses comfort, well you expect that from any farrier anyway but you get my drift.
The thing is, I'm not really convinced or too sure (as I'm no expert myself) that the farrier who has has been shoeing this horse (before I took him on loan and since he's been on loan) is doing his best or lets say helping the situation.
He's not my own farrier you see, as I was advised to keep using him because he always shod this horse and 'knows' about his box foot and the history of it etc, so I agreed with the owners that yes that was probably for the best rather than swopping to my own farrier, at the time it maked sense.
But now I'm more familiar with the horse (as I've been riding him since spring time but didnt actually take him on loan till Oct) and the fact that I've been told that he's occasionally bridle lame (I think its possible ring bone giving him jib and down to his foot but they said no its nothing he passed a 5 stage vetting...long story) but anyway back to the subject again he's been sound as a pound and noticed that he tends to be (I'm finding a bit of a pattern now) that he's not totally sound when and close after he's been shod, now I do think there is more to it than that but I do think that with a good farrier things could be better.
So this weekend the farrier came I asked questions about the box foot (are there any ways to improve the foot or different ways to shoe something like this etc...basically expecting some kind feed back, knowledge...or just something at least) but I just got nothing
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Not only that but its clear to see that the hoof quality has improved no end since I put him on biotin for the last 6 months, no more cracks or brittleness, his shoes are not falling off every other week (like they were back in spring), his hoofs are much stronger and people have commented on his box foot looking better but only when he's in need of shoeing again (when he's got a bit more length on it), he's also been a lot more sound too when he's got more length on them (this is the pattern I'm noticing).
I don't think he's just foot sore because he caught him, because he seems to feel it on both, (he's not lame on one particular leg ,just short in both I'd say in trot) but he's fine in walk, but I don't just think its because he caught him, I know for a fact he's be the same purely because he's just been shod.
So I'd like to know what a good farrier should be hoping to achieve or look for when shoeing a box foot or how to help the way the horse holds himself, I agree in this case its not just the foot, the horse does have a slightly crooked pastern (its hard to explain without actually showing you a photo...I'm making it sound worse that it is) but I personally think its ringbone (which makes sense as it's a common thing to develop from a dickey foot) and I did ask the farrier if it looked like ringbone (to see what he said) and he said probably...again thats all he said.
He's not my horse but of course I want to ensure that I do all I can to keep him in shape, healthy and comfortable as he loves going out, he's really come into his own now and he's like a different horse so I need to know myself that he's been shod correctly to prevent any further problems in the future...even when he goes back to his owner, he's only 7 and years of poor shoeing could have long lasting damage that can't be rectified.
Sorry for any typo's (well more than usual) I can see as I've not got my contacts in due to eye infection so everything is blurrrrrrr!
Anyway as usual any feedback/advice would be much appreciated.
Thank you