Should I buy-spotty foal

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This boy has suddenly come up for sale. He is at my yard at owner wants £700 for him. He was bred my Whitehawk Stud.

He is by Klaudis and out of Leaper mare, supposedly to make 15.2hh. What does everyone think of him?

He is at my yard so was thinking of making an offer for him, what would people pay?

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Could do with some better confo shots :) Hes nice but i wouldnt pay £700.00 just because hes spotty, it seems like quite a lot. Is he well handled and a nice person to be about?

Im not very decisive am i! Good luck with him if you buy him though! :)
 
Well I was thinking of offering £500 as will make her life easier she needs a quick sale. So all she will have to do is hand passport over. I don't really know what he is like gone to say hello to him in stable twice and he seems sweet enough. He is entire too so will to be gelded!
 
Lovely! Id offer about £500 its a stress free sale for you both :)
My friend bred a knapstrupper foal with brilliant bloodlines/breeding and alot of potential. She couldn't even sell him for £1500 so he was loaned out in the end, his mum/dad/uncle are all proven winners in jumping, dressage, eventing and showing too! Clean bill of health and gelded but still no interest in him unfortunately (well i would have had him in a heartbeat if i could have afforded two)
 
If you can provide what he needs till he is older, ie live out in a herd and you check he has 2 testicles then if you like him yes, lack of turnout then no-it does their bodies and their brains no good to spend long periods in the stable.

Personally I would not buy something from my yard unless it ticked all the boxes, people like to interfere and it ticks me off.
 
She wouldnt be staying on yard she only has him so she would be gone. He would go out during day with my gelding, we do have a herd but my boy is getting bullied so would be ideal companions for eachother and in summer 24/7.
 
if there is no full time or at least night time turn out in a herd then no I would not buy him, he really would need to be with other youngsters and mature horses too it teaches them so much, keeping him with just one other horse is likely to result in him becoming very attached to your gelding which can cause so many issues, what would happen if he does not get on with your gelding? with a history of not being turned out I would not buy him, how long has current owner had him?


it might be ideal for your gelding to be out for just a few hours per day with just one other but it is not ideal for a foal/youngster, could he go out with yours during the day and with a herd at night? that could work
 
I would buy him, I like him very much. Shame he isn't getting turned out and that would need to be taken into account with him. My youngster lives out with one other and does get attached but can be left in the stable for me to ride out. He stresses a bit but not too bad.
 
No my boy is out with herd atm, but I he has been bullied monitoring it at the moment. So if i bought him I would have them two out together and possibly one other. He has been turned out obviously before but the current owner who has had him around a month has not yet turned him out.

I know its not ideal, but many livery yards aren't ideal for foals but lots of people cope. You have to do the best you can. My gelding is really chilled out and gets on well with mares and gelding its him who gets picked on not him doing it.

They would both be out during day in winter and 24/7 during summer. Its better than what he is getting now. He may go out with herd but would be a bridge I cross if I decided to get him, I dont think he is good to catch so to begin with he would be out with just my boy.
 
If you bought him could you not find somewhere to turn him out full time in company?

Each to their own and obviously it is your decision and I wish you well, I don't understand the 'it is not ideal for the horse but I will do it anyway mindset'

maybe you would be better just finding someone who wants to turn a quiet horse out with yours-the foal may be too much for your gelding in a years time they can be over the top and too rough that is part of the reason that many yards wont have them-they often like to create trouble especially when cooped up and bored
 
Do check out that he is registerable with one or other of the spotty societies, before you hand your money over! It will affect his value for re-sale if he cannot be shown in affilliated classes.
 
I'm with twiggy on this

If I were to buy him I'd do a bit of handling work with him, picking up feet etc, geld him and then move him to a yard that is suitable for youngsters so he can live out 24/7 in a herd, learn correct social behaviour and still have other youngsters to play with.
 
twiggy2 said:
If you bought him could you not find somewhere to turn him out full time in company?

Each to their own and obviously it is your decision and I wish you well, I don't understand the 'it is not ideal for the horse but I will do it anyway mindset'

maybe you would be better just finding someone who wants to turn a quiet horse out with yours-the foal may be too much for your gelding in a years time they can be over the top and too rough that is part of the reason that many yards wont have them-they often like to create trouble especially when cooped up and bored
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I do know what your saying and my point is just that many places do not offer 24/7 turnout even for youngsters so how does everyone else cope?

But you are right I could potentially try finding a different place for him, but would mean two different yard trips. My boy is very good in the field, I dont envisage their being problems on his part anyways.
 
I have had 2 whitehawk spotties, both bought at auction and only paid few hundred for them as foal and 2 year old. They were both lovely looking boys in the end (had major ugly duckling stages) and have gone on to prove very useful sorts.
If you like him, have suitable facilities, finances etc etc go for it.
 
ktj1891 said:
I do know what your saying and my point is just that many places do not offer 24/7 turnout even for youngsters so how does everyone else cope?

But you are right I could potentially try finding a different place for him, but would mean two different yard trips. My boy is very good in the field, I dont envisage their being problems on his part anyways.
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well I coped by finding a yard that offered what my mare needed when I got her and she was 2yrs, then at 3yrs she went to a friend to be very lightly backed whilst still living out in a herd, then she came back to original yard then a 5yrs she went further from home again to be fully backed and hacked only for the summer no school work, at this point she was stabled at night for about 6 wks then back out, she has just moved closer to home again and is out every day in at night till i find someone who wants something to live out and just come in when either of them are worked-my mare has never relied on the herd and is happy to leave them and does not interact much (that we see) but she still learnt a lot of manners.
when mine goesto a different yard i have 2 yards to visit x 2 daily it cost me a fortune and I would not do it unless I really have to but in your shoes if i bought the foal I would feel that living out in a herd is top priority
 
I think he's very cute!

I'd echo what others have said though, turnout is so important for babies. I suppose you could do with somewhere like retirement livery (creche livery?!) really where you turn him out and someone checks him for you daily, and just let him grow up (with some time spent by you handling him a bit of course). A livery yard isn't ideal for a youngster unless they do have a lot of turnout and it costs a lot given that you can't actually ride him for a long time.

Would any local studs be prepared to take him for you on creche livery? After all if he was out 24/7 with a herd it would surely be cheaper than a stable, so you could pay them what you'd pay the livery yard to include checking him/providing hay in winter etc? Might be worth asking as it would save you time.

I know a lot of people enjoy handling youngsters but I've found that I didn't have time to put into my young lad (despite him having been backed and rideable) given that I worked full time.

I think the demands of a young lad are always going to differ from those of a grown horse. You'd have to be honest with yourself about whether you have the time to spare before making a decision. Try not to let the obvious cuteness override that!
 
It is hard and I really want a spotty, mare ideally and I have been contacting appy/knabstupper breeders about them as I cannot seem to find anything that is old enough to ride that isn't over my budget!

It is a bit because he is already at my yard and relatively cheap, he is stunning too and well marked. I could look into livery elsewhere for him but when I have looked at packages like that it seems to be really expensive! I will have a look around now and see whats available. I am based Swindon, Wiltshire, if anyone knows of anything?
 
he looks lovely - but is he a little long - this may be due to his growing of course.
I have a 2 year old, we can't turn out in the fields at all in the winter. She is fine.
 
ktj1891 said:
It is hard and I really want a spotty, mare ideally and I have been contacting appy/knabstupper breeders about them as I cannot seem to find anything that is old enough to ride that isn't over my budget!

It is a bit because he is already at my yard and relatively cheap, he is stunning too and well marked. I could look into livery elsewhere for him but when I have looked at packages like that it seems to be really expensive! I will have a look around now and see whats available. I am based Swindon, Wiltshire, if anyone knows of anything?
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Why not save the money you would spend on keeping him for a year and then your budget will have increased to buy the mare ready to go that you really want
 
ha ha sorry -a little long in his back, the picture isn't easy to tell as he looks like me may be stood with his bum higher than his front end. Have you priced up how much a gelding procedure is also?
 
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Why not save the money you would spend on keeping him for a year and then your budget will have increased to buy the mare ready to go that you really want
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Yes Twiggy this does make sense, I wont rush into buying him as it is a lot of money to keep something that isn't ridden and ideally I would love a mare. He is very loudly coloured and nice looking chap and because he is already at my yard it is very appealing! I will sit on my hands for the moment and see if anyone else comes forward to buy him. I have expressed interest to the owner and asked if he was gelding, wormed and who he is passported with. She is apparently still waiting for his passport to come through so doesn't know who it is with. I am taking into consideration all these elements before offering a price (if I do). I know she paid £700 so thats what she wanted back. I have also contacted two liveries for full grass livery.
 
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I am going slightly against the grain here, and say that as long as he has day time turn out, with company he will be fine. Foals absolutely wreck your paddocks, as they run round playing, and their tiny feet are like stilletoes, so especially in the wet, really do some damage!
If you could find someone with a lone foal that needs company, so much the better. I tried this recently, though, and no one came forward so we ended up buying two foals-oops!- to keep each other company, but it would have made my life easier to only actually own one even though it's my own yard.
I have older horses, too but at the moment don't want to out the foals with them, until they are older. The reason for this is because until foals are slightly older, because they want to play so much, they can annoy the older horses, and have seen some nasty incidents in the past where older horses have done some serious damage to a foal.
How old is the foal?
 
I am not a spotty fan but I think he looks nice- maybe because he has more brown splodges on his face! Is there any particular reason you want a mare? I would say listen to your gut. Maybe try see him a bit more, get an idea of what he's like?

As for the turnout, I think your situation sounds just fine. All I would say is introduce him slowly to the other one as, if people have not turned them out previously they can lack social skills and don't recognise 'warnings' that other horses give!
 
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